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Presumably though like most cars, adaptive cruise control turns off as soon as you touch the brake so unless he really was very stupid this wouldn’t happen.
Certainly wouldn’t have been in the news if it wasn’t electric.
Some quality regional reporting there, the line is the clear stand out though,
Mr Morrison has mobility issues, so he was unable to escape the car travelling at 30mph by jumping out.
If you didn't have mobility issues, I think jumping from a moving car at 30mph would be a pretty good way to develop them.
Presumably though like most cars, adaptive cruise control turns off as soon as you touch the brake so unless he really was very stupid this wouldn’t happen.
That's what I thought – as soon as you press the brake pedal, the cruise control automatically disengages and you have to press a button to restart it.
bensales
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I reckon it’ll turn out to be as simple as he engaged adaptive cruise control without realising and then panicked and pressed the wrong pedal. This would explain why the car stopped with the Police van in front of it without any actual contact and damage, and why it pottered along at 15mph.
What makes you think there was no contact? I read it as the police drove in front of his car at 29 and gradually slowed to a stop.
^^^^ report says there was no damage to either car, so any contact must've been very soft to not crease a bumper or remove any paint.
iainc
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^^^^ report says there was no damage to either car, so any contact must’ve been very soft to not crease a bumper or remove any paint
Yes i know but what I've suggested would be very soft contact?
Anyway the story has now made the beeb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620
yes, my link yesterday was to the bbc website.
Oh weird, i was certain I read it on a local news site. As you were!
Eta that was on the pistonheads.com thread. Fwiw their best
current theory is that he was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be and came up with an implausible story to his wife at short notice
It wasn’t my fault - my car kidnapped me!
Just picked up my MG4 and after a quick trip down the A1 I am really loving it. And this morning I turned on the a/c to pre-heat it using the app while I was sitting on the toilet - what a time to be alive !! 🙂
Octopus installed an Ohme charge point. They were initially quoting a 15 week wait but it was installed in about 5, which was not too much of a problem.
Now I'm wondering what bits and bobs I need to carry in the boot. It comes with a granny lead. I'm wondering if there is a point in having a type 2 cable, since (most? all? ) charge points are tethered? I have also ordered a V2L adapter which seems like a handy thing to have around. Anything else I need to consider beyond the warning triangle, hi viz and whatnot that you need in a fossil car ?
I never bother carrying the granny charger around unless I’m going on holiday. I always have a 10m Type 2 cable in the car though, as there a lots of car parks that have slow chargers that need a cable and 10m is great if they’re ICEd.
I just carry a 3m Type 2 as most AC chargers round here aren’t tethered.
10m would probably make parking space choice easier but it’s a big roll of cable (I have that size for my untethered home box) and the 3m fits nicely in the boot cubby.
Have never even unwrapped the granny charger never mind take it with me.
DrJ
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Just picked up my MG4 and after a quick trip down the A1 I am really loving it. And this morning I turned on the a/c to pre-heat it using the app while I was sitting on the toilet – what a time to be alive !! 🙂
Interesting. Which version did you get? We are looking at one to replace an iD3. Head says Extended Range, heart says X-Power obviously. Both cheaper than iD3.
I got the Trophy LR. The ER seemed to be a big price bump. We've had many VWs in the past so we also looked at the iD3 but it was 10K more once we'd added in the extras we'd want.
The 1000 mile results were achieved today. Average speed 25mph, 4.2wh/mile.
150 mile days out are a breeze, today we returned home with 50 miles remaining from 197mile range at start on a 140 mile round trip to Hardwick hall with a National Trust free ticket.
I carry the type 2 cable at all times but doubt i'll use it unless there is free charging. Tiny tool kit and a microfiber cloth for occasionally wiping the dust off the sat nav screen.
I have also ordered a V2L adapter which seems like a handy thing to have around.
I didn't realise the MG4 did V2L, how much does the adaptor cost and what's the output limit? could you run a number of household items off it?
I bought one off eBay for about 20 quid. It's on its way just now so I'll be able to give a better evaluation shortly. I'm not sure what it is the output limit tbh but I've seen social media posts with folk powering all sorts of stuff off them.
Dunno about the MG but the Kia/Hyundai/Genesis eGMP cars can output 3.6 kW through the V2L system.
edit: a quick google suggests the MG output is 2.2kW
Used the granny a few times on previous cars when staying at friends or holiday cottages but with more range these days and more having proper charge points I've not needed it on this one. Always thought of it as a worthwhile emergency thing - everywhere has a 3-pin plug.
Type 2 lead is worth having IMO, when away you sometimes find a 7kW in a carpark and a slow top up to 100% while you're doing something else can make a journey back much easier. Always plenty around secondhand as cars get sold or written off, I paid £60 for a barely-used extra one to leave on my untethered chargepoint.
Don't know what screenwash they put in those but the extra low freezing point stuff is worth putting in for winter, there isn't a hot engine next to the bottle to keep it from freezing.
In the Leaf need the granny charger at my mum's who is a literal granny, just to give a bit of headroom to get home. The only time I used it on the Hyundai was when we went to a holiday caravan - drove over there then the car didn't move for a few days. It needed an extension lead trailed out of the window though.
I've done the majority of my Leaf charging via a granny charger for all the time I've owned it,... advantages of a small battery and having a garage and space to charge overnight most nights.
Re. killer cars - when I was a teenager - early 80's - a local wag tried his usual trick of starting his car, jumping out and jumping back , but stuffed it up. It broke his ankle and crashed into the war memorial in the middle of town.
I've had a PodPoint installed this morning and looking to switch over to Octopus Intelligent tariff, which I appear not to be intelligent enough to master...
No luck online and now I've been guided to 'use the app'. There seem to be several apps related to Octopus!
Going back online and I found another route but its asking me if I have a SMETS1 or SMETS2 smart meter? I have a smart meter but that was installed by Ovo at the beginning of 2018. Any idea how I would tell if that is SMETS 1 or 2?
Thanks
It’s about the data network these use - 1 = mobile phone network, 2 = different bespoke data network so will often still work if you rubbish mobile signal. You can look up how to tell the difference, starting with serial number but also appearance and number of lights etc.
If you don’t have an Ohme charger you’ll need a compatible car for IO to work.
There is only the one Octopus Energy app btw.
Thanks - still frustrating! They tell me that my car is compatible and then I get chucked back into the 'main menu' on the app, which doesn't list Intelligent tariffs in the options available to me.
This video is a step by step guide to setting up IO with the Ohme charger. It isn't 100% applicable to your situation, but there may be some useful pointers!
You have to sign up for normal Octopus first, I think, then switch to Intelligent once you're on their system.
They tell me that my car is compatible
It could be your phone that's the problem. When I tried to set up my Tesla Model Y on Intelligent Octopus with the app running on my Android phone the Octopus app refused to interface with the Tesla App. Quick Google later and it seems there's a problem with the Octopus app running on Android. I tried again using iOS on my iPad and got Octopus talking to Tesla. Once set up its now working fine on my Android phone.
I can’t remember the exact process but I was on a standard Octopus tariff first. Then just went through the process online, picked the car and model, and it does a test charge to start talking to the car and you’re done.
If you’re having trouble their customer service number is pretty good.
Thanks - seems I'm there now. It all went blank and back to the menu then half an hour later an email arrived! Not sure if the test charge ws happening in the intervening period but the car was already plugged in, so maybe! All done, thanks for help.
Hey, on the thread about the Luton car park fire EVs were touched on. Not looking to start that argument but more on the rhetoric i've had from a couple of mates about the weight of EVs doing more damage to roads than ICE.
Seems there's been a bit of research showing on average around 20% extra weight in small, medium and large categories so accepting that on face value I wonder if there's other factors to consider?
I went looking for the obvious one but couldn't find any research - which is that for whatever reason I assume when moving to an EV you downscale (i.e for me it would be moving from a SUV to something like a leaf). Is that a reasonable assumption?
What else? - fuel leaks/fumes damaging the surfaces? EVs being driven more conservatively than ICE due to range constraints and general chilled vibe of an EV?
I think that road wear is proportional to the fourth power of weight. So a little bit of extra weight adds a lot more wear, BUT lorries, busses and even small goods vehicles are responsible for nearly all the road damage, so a bit extra from cars many not be that big of a deal.
which is that for whatever reason I assume when moving to an EV you downscale (i.e for me it would be moving from a SUV to something like a leaf). Is that a reasonable assumption?
No, I don't think so. Big SUV EVs are currently selling well.
EVs being driven more conservatively than ICE due to range constraints and general chilled vibe of an EV?
I suspect due to the ease of access to power, EVs are driven in a more damaging way (ie applying more of their available torque, which is often far higher than an ICE). Damage is caused by weight but also by force going through the wheel - have a look at uphill drags away from traffic lights on trunk roads to see what happens.
the vast majority of petrol car drivers almost never use more than half the power available from their cars (ie : most change up below 3,500rpm, most of the time) whereas just pushing your foot down in an EV is much easier.
So I think higher wear is inevitable, but probably also marginal compared to properly large vehicles
Thanks for the measured views, they're valuable
I think it can be the opposite, the low fuelling costs take away one of the reasons to go smaller.
Battery size is a big factor - a Model 3 standard range is lighter than a 320d, but the long range / AWD version adds over 200kg. Going from 58kwh to 77kwh ID3 adds over 100kg. I'm hoping as people get their heads around range and charging (and there are more big hubs on key routes) that the norm is for smaller, lighter batteries rather than the demands for ever more range.
Seems there’s been a bit of research showing on average around 20% extra weight in small, medium and large categories so accepting that on face value I wonder if there’s other factors to consider?
We have a 2013 renault megane and a hyundai ionic EV. Similar size vehicles but the renault actually has a (only slightly) higher dry kerb weight than the EV which surprised me. Imagine its due to fluids and manual gearbox in the renault, and a bit of nearly 10years of tech advances in the hyundai.
Or the fact the roads are in pretty poor state of repair and its only getting worse with cuts and poor repairs.
@simon_g. Ah yes, another counter point I'd not considered (cheap to run so lets go large). Yes, my bro somehow makes a Nissan Leaf 2015 work for his trips from Berlin to UK and we both have EV-mopeds so are very much in the same thinking re: direction of EVs should be smaller in both scale and battery.
@SirHC. Yes, not inconceivable that it's an attempt to steer away from that subject. I can't say around here that I notice that - the roads have always been utter bobbins, I had a lovely little Smart Roadster coupe that turned out to have wheels made of cheese, had to sell it as it couldnt handle the state of the roads and that's 5, no 10, no 15yrs back
Passat saloon TDI auto - 1520kg
Mercedes CLS shooting brake - 1800kg
Nissan Leaf 40kWh 1600kg
Hyundai Ioniq EV - 1580kg IIRC
VW Touareg up to 2440kg
Range Rover 2328 to 2810kg
Audi Q8 up to 2270kg
etc
Those cars clearly aren't like for like, of course, but the point is not many petrol heads were complaining about the weight of range rovers in the good old ICE days were they?
They're an interesting line up. I think many people who haven't been in a Leaf underestimate how big it is inside so I don't see them as unfair size wise (maybe quality but that's a different argument). No idea on those bigger/more expensive vehicles, nearest I'd get to one is perhaps being allowed to clean it lol
I wonder how that research came up with ~20% and whether it was taking the heaviest/largest battery variant.
which is that for whatever reason I assume when moving to an EV you downscale (i.e for me it would be moving from a SUV to something like a leaf). Is that a reasonable assumption?
Apart from "getting the biggest car on lease you can afford for £x/month" why would anyone want to make that swap?
Someone's need for an SUV (whether people carrying/load carrying/towing; preference in driving position/feel; or just plain showing off) isn't going to change regardless of drivetrain.
If anything its the other way, due to the way current EV models seem to scale size with other desirable features like performance, range and general interior niceness. I understand why they do this, both for market sense, and physical practicallity, but I can see how someone perfectly happy in a ICE Mini might need an ID3 to match their needs, or going from Golf to P*2 for example.
Well there are like for like comparisons - a Q8 etron is 2,585 and a Q7 is up to 2,165
I went from an A6 estate to an eTron as there we no suitable estates from any manufacturer at the time. I'll go back to an estate if/when they make an ev one. Although the Kia 6 looks like it might fit the bill as my next car.
Similar here, I went from i3 to Polestar 2. Which is a leap forward on most fronts, but much bigger and heavier. I'll be back in a hatchback when lease ends and something better is available. EX30 would have been perfect bar the no driver display.
Yup, I’d have had an i4 estate rather than the iX3 I bought but the boot shape of the hatch just didn’t work for me. Seems like the manufacturers are either going hatch/coupe or suv with no estates as far as I could see. Hybrid versions yes, but no pure electric.
I think they are trying to recoup maximum profit from their investments so far and make more investments to position themselves for cheaper cars when everyone with deep pockets or a company car scheme already has one.