jambalaya - MemberGermany doesn't have nukes as it wasn't allowed them
Actually, Germany was a nuclear sharing power but has actively disarmed as a matter of choice (they still hold a few outmoded tactical weapons but they're phasing out their only delivery method, so their nuclear deterrant will be burying one in a ditch and hoping Putin rides past on a bear)
I hope a protectionist trade war doesn't break out. With prohibitive taxes on Irn Bru and Tunnocks Teacakes
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I hope a protectionist trade war doesn't break out. With prohibitive taxes on Irn Bru and Tunnocks Teacakes
Does Scotch Whiskey still have the massive tax/duty break Gordon introduced ?
Tax changes will be the biggest problem, any changes to the tax rate will bugger up anything within 30 miles of the border, fuel, drink fags etc. Couple that with a chance to register something over the border too.
Everything we spend in the UK creates jobs and returns money to the economy; the question on that is always, is it an optimum return. Is the peacetime divident of Trident better than spending the same sum on more surface boats, or creating jobs in hospitals and schools...
rrrrrrrrrrrrubbish! you don't create jobs through subsidies, you destroy them! the taxes that pay for the economically unproductive jobs and activities come from the burden on economically productive ones.
What utter nonsense, you may not have noticed, but our currently just devalued as a result of this garbage. Then the absolute con, letting 16 yr old kids vote [b]yet expat Scots that might have a bit of sense and might want to return to something that resembles the home they love don't, it's despicable[/b].
those expat Scots that want a vote in the referendum obviously don't love Scotland enough to actually want to live there! 😆
is everything within 30 miles of the NI/IE border buggered up?
every so often people will suss that Morrisons on one side is a bit cheaper than the equivalent on the other. Drive there and save £3.99 on their shopping.
lots of borders in EU, and i bet 99% use the most convenient supermarket and shell garage
It happens quite a bit.
For example, any Germans who live near Luxembourg tend to take a trip over the border for fuel.
those expat Scots that want a vote in the referendum obviously don't love Scotland enough to actually want to live there!
Unless they couldn't get a job there like my mate? After a dozen years in the SE he gave up and bought a house there.
My in-laws live on the Danish / German border and their are load of cash and carry style supermarkets on the German side. All the carparks are full of Danish estate cars with trailers and roof boxes stocking up on cheap food and alcohol.
[i]those expat Scots that want a vote in the referendum obviously don't love Scotland enough to actually want to live there! [/i]
Fair point...there are masses of em in Surrey. However, i'm thinking that with a yes vote, we'll get masses more!
Unless they couldn't get a job there like my mate?
if he's lived in the Home Counties for twelve years and has no plans to return to Scotland, then independence won't affect him very much on a daily basis. him not having a vote probably doesn't matter.
Fair point...there are masses of em in Surrey. However, i'm thinking that with a yes vote, we'll get masses more!
Yup, job opportunities are better. and the differential is going to grow further. I think with expected tax rises on the "rich" we'll see more successful Scots moving. Possible significant uptick in property values on the English side of the border.
So for those who want ex pats to vote who gets a vote? How many Scottish grandparents do you need or do you just need to vote yes?
What about people with no scottish blood but who lived there, if you lived there for say 10 years is that enough? What about gingers or men in skirts?
Maybe but he still loves Scotland/hates the SE (mandatory for a Scot I think?). Loves Scotland enough to live there but he's not wanted/needed.
The rules are quite simple mike and set out here:
http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/who-will-be-eligible-scottish-citizenship-independence-and-future
I know the rules are simple, there were some moaners earlier upset that their missus couldn't vote as they had moved.
Did you read the link?
And there in lies the problem.
Scottish born British citizens currently living outside of Scotland will also be considered Scottish citizens.
I'll become a Scottish Citizen, but am not allowed a vote on whether that is right or not. But apparently that is okay....
Their link is about citizens not who is eligible to vote
A question or two raised here, does a yes vote wreck the scottish fishing industry ? After all the quota system is surely dependant upon population, or market size ? And most of the UK's boats are based in scotland ?
And I know all the banks are claiming to just be moving the 'legal entity' but will all the call centres have to move ? as being in another country would there be an offshoreing backlash against them being in another country ?
I'll become a Scottish Citizen, but am not allowed a vote on whether that is right or not. But apparently that is okay....
I left the UK, I accept that I won't have a say on aa few things like a Euro referendum.
British citizens habitually resident in Scotland on independence will be considered Scottish citizens. This will include British citizens who hold dual citizenship with another country. Scottish born British citizens currently living outside of Scotland will also be considered Scottish citizens.
Following independence, other people will be able to apply for Scottish citizenship.
You are not going to become a Scottish citizen unless you live there and then you can vote. You can apply if you want to or remain British
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Their link is about citizens not who is eligible to vote
It's a guide to who will be eligible to vote in an independent Scotland (assuming they follow the same model as the US and the UK regarding the franchise), hence who could be eligible to vote for the ability to form such a body - thus avoiding any silly strawmen about men in skirts.
I left the UK, I accept that I won't have a say on aa few things like a Euro referendum.
Actually, given you can vote in GEs, there's a pretty good chance you will get a say on that.
You are not going to become a Scottish citizen unless you live there and then you can vote.
Did you even read what you quoted?
Scottish born British citizens currently living outside of Scotland will also be considered Scottish citizens.
Yes but the electoral commision (those with the rules) make it very clear. You need to live there. It's quite simple.
You asked "So for those who want ex pats to vote who gets a vote?" - did you not want a sensible answer?
A question or two raised here, does a yes vote wreck the scottish fishing industry ? After all the quota system is surely dependant upon population, or market size ?
Doubt it, it will become scottish waters and therefore scotland will negotiate the quota system.
And I know all the banks are claiming to just be moving the 'legal entity' but will all the call centres have to move ? as being in another country would there be an offshoreing backlash against them being in another country ?
all the companies mentioned are already multi-national and operate throughout the world. As the banks have also mentioned, relocating their head office will have little impact on their operations in Scotland (as advised to their staff). believe or not but Scotland has quite a high knowledge and expertise base, and there is some highly skilled jobs in the market place. these will remain because they are there due to experience in the workforce but also due to location of resources, be it natural or otherwise.
Mike,
I was born in Scotland and spent the 1st 18 years of my life living there, my whole family still live there and always have.
The document linked to by aracer means in the eyes of the (potential) Scottish Government:
Everyone living in Scotland will be Scottish Citizens.
Everyone born in Scotland will be Scottish Citizens.
Anyone with a Scottish Grandmother twice removed can apply to be Scottish but it doesn't happen automatically, for me it does! I'm proud to be Scottish but my line of work doesn't exist in Scotland so I had to move south, being classified as Scottish and not British has the potential to affect my day to day life, despite what the yS group say.
But apparantly the main argument by the yS group is Scotland has no say in it's future due to Westminster, I have no say in my future due to the lack of opportunity to vote.
ah missed that bit aracer on them imposing citizenship on you, you could probably reject it. But in reality it's an issue for those living there now, if people want to go back then you can choose.
But hey there are rules, so everyone should live with them.
Anyway this was meant to be about the rest of the UK and all the fun we will have when this is all over and we get to impose some new nasty taxes on some fine highland beverages and frying oil when it goes wrong.
Edit - I'd give it about 10 mins before the first legal challenge to the citizenship rules.
Thought the EU dictated the quota system ?Doubt it, it will become scottish waters and therefore scotland will negotiate the quota system.
They won't be in the EU, silly.
all the companies mentioned are already multi-national and operate throughout the world. As the banks have also mentioned, relocating their head office will have little impact on their operations in Scotland (as advised to their staff). believe or not but Scotland has quite a high knowledge and expertise base, and there is some highly skilled jobs in the market place. these will remain because they are there due to experience in the workforce but also due to location of resources, be it natural or otherwise.
Not disputing the quality of the workers... But does the little Englander syndrome mean customers will no longer want to call a foreign (scottish) call centre ?
They won't be in the EU, silly.
Good point 🙂
relocating their head office
What impact does this have on corporation tax?
I left the UK, I accept that I won't have a say on aa few things...
depends on how much you leave
register as overseas voter in the constituency where you were last registered, and you keep some voting rights. think it's for up to 15 years.
register local constituency party member of your choice to be your proxy.
iirc it's only when you hit the 15 year mark, or drop citizenship that you lose that right. whether scotland (or UK) change that is a matter for future parliaments.
i say play the same game as politicians and the rich, and make use of dual citizenship, resident / ordinarily resident and domicile to your advantage for tax purposes 😉
i say play the same game as politicians and the rich, and make use of dual citizenship, resident / ordinarily resident and domicile to your advantage for tax purposes
Not really, I moved I made a choice I'll go with it. I wont cast postal votes as it's not my for me to decide, it's for those who live there. But seriously expect multiple legal challenges to a lot of stuff if there is a yes vote, all policies are hypothetical and subject to change.
@andermt - I very much doubt the UK will take away your British passport, we are very flexible about allowing multi nationality.
What is interesting is what happens post independence. Will Scots (passport holders, born there) be allowed to come and work freely in the UK ? IMO Scotland will not upon independence immediately be a member of the EU so they will have no automatic right. Will we thereafter allow a Scot resident here for 7 years to claim a British passport (probably yes).
i think you have to use Ireland as a precedence there.
do IoM etc. citizens have a right to work anywhere in UK? (and vice versa)
edit: and if truly no automatic rights, then the precedences usually have clauses for near border residents on both sides.
@jambalaya
My understanding is my British passport will remain valid until it expires, luckily it's quite new.
What happens then is an open point. I travel quite a bit for work and if I lose the British passport it will mean many issues whilst travelling abroad as Scotland won't automatically obtain the same rights as Britain.
As you say, technically Scots won't be allowed to work in the UK unless an agreement is made (which I expect will be), but it's not a given, and the rest of the EU may not be so accommodating.
This has been my argument all along about Scots living outside Scotland not being allowed to vote, it could potentially have a bigger effect for some of us than the people actually living in Scotland.
What impact does this have on corporation tax?
According to Alex, none...
however, he has previously spent a lot of time telling everyone how a lower corporation tax rate would draw businesses to relocate their head offices to Scotland!
do IoM etc. citizens have a right to work anywhere in UK? (and vice versa)
Yes, but don't have freedom of movement/work/residence throughout the rest of the EU, same with Channel Islanders (unless they can demonstrate UK citizenship through family member or 5 years UK residence)
Scots living outside Scotland are still Brits?
UK EU membership referendum is the one that I see as more of a problem. Brits living outside UK, inside EU, making full use of EU rights, not able to vote on EU referendum (my 15 years right to vote in UK is up in June 2015).
So I'm relying on the Daily Wail readers and Farage campaigning to decide my future.
edit: and I think ending up as a non-EU citizen still living/working, I'd no longer get a vote in EU elections? won't get right to vote in German general election, either. but can still vote in the local elections.
If Scotland goes independent I'm moving there with the full intention of opening a blue body paint factory.
konabunny - Member
What utter nonsense, you may not have noticed, but our currently just devalued as a result of this garbage. Then the absolute con, letting 16 yr old kids vote yet expat Scots that might have a bit of sense and might want to return to something that resembles the home they love don't, it's despicable.those expat Scots that want a vote in the referendum obviously don't love Scotland enough to actually want to live there!
But I bet they'll be welcome to contribute tax to the new Scotland even if they were refused a vote. Total con, the whole affair, I do so hope they lose, but if they win, hell I hope we have the balls here in the rUK to stick it to them and make it as difficult as possible. All these years, me paying for my kids education whilst my tax subsidises theirs and God knows what other enhancements, not to mention all the other gifts the gae us.. Blair Brown et al.
Very divisive the whole affair has been who on earth even let it happen?
@andy just come back and register to vote at your parents/family/friends address ? No ?