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Hartlepool recount between UKIP and Labour, Labour are dying out there.
Interesting, The people I know in Scotland all vote (or want to) for the SNP despite the independence angle, rather than because of it...
Not very representative, just a handful... As someone you quite fancies moving to Scotland if ever the opportunity arises, it would likely reflect my position - I do think they're done great things for Scotland.
EDIT Hartlepool? wow...
Stoner may win his bet, majority a very distinct possibility
Stoner may win his bet, majority a very distinct possibility
Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit sniffing glue...
Still on the margins
binners - Member
How the **** is any parliament going to issue dictats from Westminster to a Scotland with blanket SNP. MP's?Good luck with that
Happens with Northern Ireland
unklehomered - Member
Interesting, The people I know in Scotland all vote (or want to) for the SNP despite the independence angle, rather than because of it...
Think I said this a few days ago, now independence has been put to bed the SnP can be a political party, nationalist may need to be removed from the name.
Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit sniffing glue...
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[quote=dazh ]Maybe this election is evidence that parties should stick to their core principles and not try to ape other parties in pursuit of power? Having said that though, the BBC are already trotting out the line that labour aren't centrist enough. I fail to see how that's the case seeing as most of the damage has been done in Scotland.
Labour have a problem. As predicted by some on here - but seemingly ignored by the leadership as well as some Labour fanbois on here - they're having to fight on multiple fronts. Scotland where they're seen as too Westminster, traditional swing seats in England where they'd likely lose seats to the Tories if they moved left, some of their traditional strong seats where UKIP is a threat. Difficult for them to position themselves in such a way to head off all those threats when saddled with an unpopular leader.
It will be very different next time though.
SprocketJockey - Member
Why?
More excitement ... 😆
Basic issues for Labour
They have die hards who will not vote for anyone else. These do not cover enough people to get a majority.
If they can attract more votes from the center the die hards outside of scotland will still vote for them.
So moving to the center is the only way for the Labour party to gain power?
On Sturgeon's last chat with the press she has ruled out working with anyone other than labour but says any government without them has not legitimacy in Scotland, perhaps if she wants an influence she should work with those that can form a government.
**** off Scotland phenomenon responsible for the English swing to the right then?
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Wales swinging to Tories, Gower may fall
It will be very different next time though.
Will it? What will change between now and then? Things will be even more polarised, the union may not even exist by then, and labour will still find themselves stuck between different groups of vastly different voters. If something doesn't radically change then they will become irrelevant and the UK will be fragmented between different political factions. Dangerous times I think.
Exactly 30,000 votes? Fix!
Reports of more potential gains in the Midlands for the Tories, the drinks may be on Stoner.
With the loss of Scotland I don't think I will see a Labour government in England again during my lifetime or at least until the 2030s. We will become more polarized.
The SNP position is they have built their position on saying what right what do they have to tell us what to do: the Tories have said you don't have the right to tell us what to do either. They have reaped what they have sowed but may not be upset by that. Cameron needs to address which he will.
I'm just starting a wake for the sad death of the Liberal-Democratic Party,I hope Nick feels he did a good job,going into the coalition.I'm drinking Metaxa,which feels appropriate somehow.
Cheerio wee Dougie Alexander!!!!
irc - MemberCheerio wee Dougie Alexander!!!!
Losing to a 20 yr old ... 😆
Freeddddommmm!
LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Good grief. They're going to need a bigger swingometer. Right, I'm going to stay up for Murphy then off to bed.
Fear and greed win the day. Bollocks.
Looking at property in Scotland...
Looks like I'm having one for the Scottish Labour Party too.
[quote=Tom_W1987 ]LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
aracer - Member
Tom_W1987 » LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
She has a career now ... a career politician ... 😆
Revision?
What the **** is that? She's an undergrad! 😆
Tom_W1987 » LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
Beating Labour's chief election strategist is probably good for a few exam credits 😀
SNP vote up 38% in Glenrothes.
bencooper - Member
Beating Labour's chief election strategist is probably good for a few exam credits
😯 He is/was Labour chief election strategist! 😆 😆 😆
louise mensch on channel4, spoiling it a bit to be honest...
Tory gain colchester from LibDem
@TomThat bad?
**** yes, Blair and Mandleson were evil in an in your face way.
I prefer that.
Besides, I think the Blairites are right. Labour can't win without moving to the right, at least on the surface.
Tom_W1987 - Member
@TomThat bad?
**** yes, Blair and Mandleson were evil in an in your face way.
I prefer that.
It must be desperation now ... 😯
Whoever ends up nominally 'in power', this is going to be chaos! A Tory government can't possibly have any legitimacy if Dave applies his own rules about democratic accountability, that he's been spouting for weeks
Besides, we were cool under Blair.
Is Britain cool under Cameron?
**** no
That's why come 2020, vote nu-labour. Get Britains mojo back, bring back britpop and invade a few countries. What's not to like?
Binners: Burnley is a gain, first one, I will be buying black pudding from dudley
One of the actual depressing stats so far is the turnout south of the border,still stuff in the 50-65% band. I guess people really don't care.
So WTF is Cameron going to do with Scotland now? It's going to be a bit of a headache. There's no way he can carry on as normal. Quite astounding really. I never ever thought I'd see a revolution in this country in my lifetime but this is not far from it.
Indeed. I'm very conflicted about this - very pleased the way Scotland is going, but we're still going to get a Tory government..
Please, is a Blair return a possibility?
Please, please, please god....pretty please....anything....
A gain from Labour in Clwyd for Tories, Labour losing in Wales
Besides, we were cool under Blair.Is Britain cool under Cameron?
**** no
but... no cos....
hmmm.... 😕
Tories have won no 1 target labour seat
Viva la revolution. 😀
Better Together played a dangerous game during the referendum and now it's starting to come back and bite them. The end of the union is getting closer.
Cheerio Jim Murphy.
And Murphy is out 😀
These Portillo moments are coming along like London buses
wanmankylung - Member
Viva la revolution.Better Together played a dangerous game during the referendum and now it's starting to come back and bite them. The end of the union is getting closer.
Or are the SNP getting votes despite their Nationalist policy? Remember Scotland voted not to be independent it was in the news a bit.
Sporting index 1 short of an effective Tory majority
bencooper - MemberIndeed. I'm very conflicted about this - very pleased the way Scotland is going, but we're still going to get a Tory government..
Patience my love, patience (Sméagol's talking not me) ... soon you will be free.
Freeeeeddddoommm!
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Or are the SNP getting votes despite their Nationalist policy?
We'll soon find out.
Weak Tory govt + 100% SNP Scotland = independent Scotland
I don't really see how the tories can resist whatever the SNP ask for. The referendum vote is irrelevant given the size of the SNP victory. The numbers will speak for themselves. The question is whether Cameron will now be held accountable for splitting the union as he would have been if they'd lost the referendum.
Well, that's it... I'm ****ing moving to Scotland so I can get a Scott passport.
Margaret Curran = Cheerio. 😀
New Statesman reporting Miliband to resign in the morning.
Tom_W1987 - MemberWell, that's it... I'm **** moving to Scotland so I can get a Scott passport.
You shall not paaaassssss! (said Gandalf the grey) 😆
I don't really see how the tories can resist whatever the SNP ask for. The referendum vote is irrelevant given the size of the SNP victory.
Amazingly it doesn't work like that, predictions say that the SNP will get around 50% of the vote so a little up on the referendum but this was a vote for MP's not independence and also that about 50% didn't vote for them. Perhaps it's just that the Scots don't want Labour and think that the SNP will deliver better MP's for them. If the question was do you want independence then maybe you would have a point.
timidwheeler - MemberNew Statesman reporting Miliband to resign in the morning.
The next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna (or one of the Balls) with his large increase in majority ... ya, go on let him be the next leader ... let him agitate the tits out of everyone. 😆
New Statesman reporting Miliband to resign in the morning.
Good, he's made me genuinely wish for the return of Blair.
Milliband needs to be metaphorically shot at dawn for this.
The next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna
Yeah, can't see that swinging over some conservative voters. UK politics will invariably degrade to "Obama Bin Biden" type comments.
I'm enjoying a more relaxed Paxman (when not reading a script).
Increasingly possible tories sneak a majority.
i must admit that while im not pro nationalist its good to see the swing to yellow across scotland. - at last count by me 9 out of 12 seats were taken out of labours hands up here - the other 3 were already SNP.
At least they have some bollocks to do something about what they believe in instead of just trying to maintain status quo and votes......
http://fivethirtyeight.com/liveblogs/uk-general-election-2015/
Interesting blog run by a yank statistician.
That would give some people confidence that the final polls were right, but I wondered aloud on Twitter today whether the pollsters were herding together, meaning some pollsters were pushing their polls toward the average. The polls seemed to converge rapidly in the final days of the campaign. Take a look at this local regression of the average Conservative lead by day and the standard deviation around those results:
Tom_W1987 - Member
The next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna
Yeah, can't see that swinging over some conservative voters. UK politics will i[b]nvariably degrade to "Obama Bin Biden" type comments[/b].
😆 That's good! Very good!
Maybe be difficult to find 10 Lib Dems
They've lost all their scottish seats to a more left wing party. They've kept their Northern seats because they'd vote a baboons arse with a labour rosette in. Because there isn't an alternative. Yet! Made no gains against the Tories as they're perceived as too left wing
The Labour Party really is ****ed!
Vince Cable by no way guaranteed to keep his seat...
oops Galloway reported to the police for tweeting an exit pole. Ready for a return to celebrity big brother?
[url= http://www.ncpolitics.uk/ ]These [/url] were the guys who predicted over 300 tory seats yesterday
Really didn't expect the Tories to do so well. Labour could well implode for a few months after this weak showing south of the border.
Feel a bit sorry for the Lib Dems being made the whipping boys for the coalition.
UKIP appear to have not quite made it anywhere. Suspect that is where the missing Labour voters have slipped away to.
binners - Member
They've kept their Northern seats because they'd vote a baboons arse with a labour rosette in.
Easy, easy ... if you said that in the NE they will hang you like they hung that monkey long time ago ... 😆 (I was told that they once hung a monkey from shipwreck thinking that the monkey was a spy coz they never seen a monkey before)
MoreCashThanDash - Member
UKIP appear to have not quite made it anywhere. Suspect that is where the missing Labour voters have slipped away to.
Yes, a disappointment indeed so perhaps that will change in future ...
That's the whitewash off the cards. Carmichael won in the Northern Isles.
tbf, he's nearer Oslo than westminster
MoreCashThanDash - Membertbf, he's nearer Oslo than westminster
They have been governed by proxy ... 😆
Shit Sticks. Boris to win...
and Simon Hughes goes, bad night for the Lib Dems, Nick and Ed off to sign on next week?
Salmond is back. 😉


