[Closed] Tescos. are there companies worse than them?

Err, the local council that sold it to them. Who presumably would have sold it to anyone with the cash. Tesco only making use of an available site, council the one who made it available.

TESCOS ARE EATING OUR SCHOOLS!!!!

All the big supermarkets play the same way, Tescos are just better at it.

Its a fairly modern school. I would say most of it not much over 30yrs. Would they have sold it to anyone else? Trafford has large swathes of brownfield available but of course tescos would have decided the optimum location and then work a way to secure the site?

I love Tesco, in terms of supplying to customers what they want, they are one of capitalism great success stories. I have no idea how they treat their staff though, which I consider rather important. They seem to subcontract out much of their work - which I find worrying.

And I agree that it was rather wicked of them to force the democratically elected council, against their will, to sell them their school playing fields.

Presumably Tesco will now be forcing parents to buy junk food for their kids. So not only will we have obese children due to a lack of school playing fields, but also because of a Tesco enforced diet.

Eventually when the population is made up of grossly obese people who can just about manage to drive down to Tesco to get their regular fix of high calorie/sugar/fat processed food, Tesco will have complete control over our lives. And they will be well on their way to achieving complete and total world dominance.

Their fruit and nut flapjack is nice though. 😀

the local council that sold it to them...

I have no idea how they treat their staff though

they're doing this all over, aren't they the biggest land owner in the country?

aren't they the biggest land owner in the country?

How big do you think the average Tesco store is ?

Tesco are good to work for 10%off your shopping and lots of good benefits and fairly good pay and conditions .Tesco do nothing wrong if people didn't shop at a Tesco they would not keep building them would they?

.Tesco do nothing wrong if people didn't shop at a Tesco they would not keep building them

This. I for one do not have time to go to a greengrocer, a butcher, a fishmonger.

All councils are currently selling off assets as alot have some serious funding shortfalls due to cutbacks. I nearly managed to buy some land for a pound recently.

aren't they the biggest land owner in the country?

I think Boots the chemist are? They own huge amounts of farming land.

Ahhhh - a NIMBY. Splendid. See those terrible chaps off with their supermarket proposals!

So what you're saying is, your locally elected council sells off playing fields to a business. I guess that business bought the land in a business transaction that didn't involve guns, threats, backhanders or other menaces. You can probably check this.
You don't personally like that business, so decide to protest by.........telling the internet mountain biking community, who don't live near you, about this terrible state of affairs?

*wrings hands and wails in support*

Nimby versus apathy

high calorie/sugar/fat processed food

Their fruit and nut flapjack is nice though

snap

How do they treat the farmers who produce the food for them? I would assume like the majority of supermarkets the squeeze them for every penny.

an old story but I doubt too much has changed:

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/migrationtemp/2807681/Tesco-Europes-biggest-property-company.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/migrationtemp/2807681/Tesco-Europes-biggest-property-company.html[/url]

property and not land though, £28 billion is quite a bit.

The Duke of Buccleuch is the biggest private land owner in the country. However, there's the likes of the Forestry Commission and the MOD well above him

Who benefits from the sale?

Tesco do nothing wrong

It said some councils were reluctant to object to Tesco applications because of concerns about the costs of legal challenges to any planning refusals.

Other authorities, the report added, were persuaded to grant planning permission for stores in return for other facilities such as housing and sports complexes.

It found that:

· In Bangor, north Wales, Tesco opposed an application by Asda for a town centre store on the grounds that it would damage the town centre by competing with local shops. Two months later, Tesco opened a hypermarket on the outskirts of the town.

· In Stockport, Greater Manchester, Tesco opened a store 20% larger than planning permission allowed.

· In Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, Tesco built a large storage depot with no planning permission, prompting one councillor to say: "It seem to me that the planning authority is Tesco and not the council."

· In Babergh, Suffolk, Tesco successfully lobbied the council to alter its local planning strategy to allow more retail development.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/jan/17/communities.supermarkets
also
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/tesco-riding-roughshod-over-planning-rules-mps-are-told-518601.html

building a store in Stickport 20% biggerthan aproved

The people who were fitting out the store decided that they needed more space, mainly for back room operation, and so therefore built the store bigger than the original planning permission. I do not know quite why, but they did."

landowners will be public bodies cuch as National Trust.largest private ones will be the landed gentry /aristocracy

Nimby versus apathy

Yeah - I equate posting on STW to direct action as well. I bet the planning proposals are withdrawn first thing in the morning.

Tesco makes 3.5 billion profit a year. The council will have maybe a couple of grand free in petty cash.

I reckon Tesco are aware of this fact and just do what they want all the time.

Seems to me that Tesco's building of a store there is dependent on three things:

i) Your local representatives, elected by you and your neighbours, selling them the land
ii) You local representatives, elected by you and your neighbours, giving them planning permission
iii) You and your neighbours shopping there when its completed

Who's the problem again? Tesco, or you and your neighbours? and if you want to do something about it...

Funny how, in discussions like this, people choose not to include the likes of Chain Reaction, Wiggle, Evans etc....

People want stuff. People want stuff cheaper. People want stuff cheapest price possible.

Local councils rarely get enough money to do all that's necessary. Local councils invest money in offshore banks in order to make a bit extra. Offshore banks collapse. Local councils end up in massive debt. Local councils sell off assets to recoup losses.

Tescos et al are indeed bastards, but there's loads of other stuff which contributes to this sort of situation.

I reckon Tesco are aware of this fact and just do what they want all the time.

They [i][b]force[/b][/i] local authorities to sell their school playing fields to them - and just for a "couple of grand" ? How wicked of them.

Other authorities, the report added, were persuaded to grant planning permission for stores in return for other facilities such as housing and sports complexes.

Yeah I'm fairly sure that Tesco have to comply with Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. And the monies involved in Section 106 are considerably large amounts btw. Which puts incognito's Daily Telegraph anti-Tesco rant about Tesco becoming "house builders" into some perspective - they don't have a huge amount of choice in the matter.

I for one do not have time to go to a greengrocer, a butcher, a fishmonger.

Funny thing is, they could well be closer together at the market or in the high street than they are in the supermarket.

People want stuff. People want stuff cheaper. People want stuff cheapest price possible.

Supermarkets aren't that cheap. Where they really excel is being open when people have free time. And making people believe that they're cheap, clearly 😉

I thought that the church had the most land?
Tescos are very good with their energy use (they use almost half per m2 as many others) and I believe they treat their staff quite well. I think that the rollout of the express stores could have killed them had they failed. The supermarket industry is quite strange in that the management (higher than store level) that works for one has usually worked for another previously, which creates little pockets of "ex-asda", "ex-tesco" etc who all look out for each other. I've never encountered more political organisations so full of empire building.

The oil companies pillaging the Niger delta are probably worse.

I hate Tesco and would love to not have to use them however there are no decent butchers or greengrocers near me. There is a market stall greengrocer that is there are random times of the week and doing shifts it isn't compatible! Plus where I live is famous for having about 8 Tesco's! It's always on the National News when people complain about Tesco's as there is a large on then an express small one on EVERY estate (so a bout 6) then the nearest out of town big store is a Tesco in either direction. Have to drive minimum of 10 miles for Sainsburys or 20 odd for a Waitrose/Asda! GGRRRR to Tesco.

Out Tesco was granted planning permission based on social inprovements Tesco agreed to develop for the local community once it's store was up and running.

Now it is in full operation Tesco, according to local rag, have basically said 'sod off'.

I still use it though as our local high street is really not an option anymore with it's charity shops and cheap tat shops being the only thing there.

The bad news:
People are lazy - if you open a supermarket, they will use it rather than the local independent shops, and the local shops will suffer as a result.

The good news:
People know that they are lazy and are prepared fight to delay the inevitable:
[url= http://www.todmordennews.co.uk/news/saying_no_to_supermarket_1_2044608 ]Oddmorden anti-supermarket petition. [/url]

If you can't be bothered clicking, a quarter of the population of Tod signed a petition opposing he opening of a local Sainsburys.
Whether you agree or not, at least some people are trying to do something.

Anyway Hora, thought you were a free market Tory? Shouldn't you be delighted that Tesco is such a success?

And as a Tory, whinging about the sell off of playing fields would seem to be rank hypocrisy of the worst kind, given the previous record of the nasty party on such things.

Not where I live. The tories have stopped the selling off of greenfield to developers which labour tried to push through before the elections. And I'm very happy about it.

Earlier this month, the group released balloons as a protest against the plans.

Yeah! Right On! Stick it to The Mayn! 😈

Anyway Hora, thought you were a free market Tory? Shouldn't you be delighted that Tesco is such a success?

You're making the mistake of assuming Hora has actually thought this one through, Rich. IE, breaking the habit of a lifetime....

Funny how, in discussions like this, people choose not to include the likes of Chain Reaction, Wiggle, Evans etc....

Probably because, in the case of the first two businesses, comparing mail order specialists with supermarkets is a bit, well, you know, pointless. As for Evans, I've never seen them build their own superstore yet. Mostly town centre locations. So - nothing relevant there. Again.

A local crossroads supports 7 grocery based small businesses none of which seem to be making a fortune, out of about 20 shops, none of them high st brands, plus a small Somerfield based service station. Somebody opened a greengrocer a couple of years back but there wasn't enough business to support it and it failed- an indication of the level of business each store must be doing.
The pub at this crossroads closed down a while back- it's now re opening as a Tesco metro. I'm not sure how many, if any of the small family run businesses will hang on. 😥

I hate Tesco and would love to not have to use them however there are no decent butchers or greengrocers near me.

Why the need for a decent butchers and greengrocers ? Can't you use the crappy butchers and greengrocers near you, rather than the better facilities provided by Tesco ? .........that would show them.

Some people appear to be completely unaware that if no one shopped in Tesco, then Tesco would go bankrupt extremely quickly.

So why not stand outside Tesco stores berating and chastising people for shopping in Tesco ?

Or is it as I suspect, just another example of middle-class judgemental and pretentious people, wanting to force ordinary people to do something which they would rather not do ? ......ie, give them no choice by denying Tesco the opportunity of operating a store.

It all fits in rather nicely with telling people what they should eat, watch on TV, read, how they should speak, dress, weigh, and other life style choices.

Probably because, in the case of the first two businesses, comparing mail order specialists with supermarkets is a bit, well, you know, pointless. As for Evans, I've never seen them build their own superstore yet. Mostly town centre locations. So - nothing relevant there. Again.

Ok so I'll explain 'cos you seem to be a bit thick. 😉

Go into any small LBS. Ask them what the main threat to their business is. The will tell you; mail-order internet companies that undercut them by significant amounts. CRC etc don't have shops (well, one 'showroom'), so have less overheads, and can concentrate on buying in bulk to store in massive warehouses. Evans has entered the internet order market now, and is beginning to be a bit more competitive on price. And I've seen bike shops close because Evans have (deliberately) opened a new shop right near an existing bike shop. They do this deliberately because there is already the footfall established by the first shop. Evans pay less than other bike shops do to, and offer less staff discounts. Evans has gone from a friendly local bike shop to a slick corporate machine interested mainly in profit. LBS's are increasingly reliant on servicing and repairs for income, hence why these costs have gone up considerable for the customer.

The cycle business was never that profitable; the newer business models being employed by CRC, Wiggle, Evans etc are more efficient than the nice happy friendly LBS model.

Evans has gone from a small family company with a handful of stores, to a large company with 41 stores and a 'warehouse showroom' in Gatwick. In 20 years. Much of the recent expansion has happened in the last 10 years, particularly the last 5. Evans is now an established high-street 'brand'.

So - nothing relevant there. Again

I bet you hate it when I'm right and you're wrong. 😀

Little tip- don't be so quick to assume I know nothing, just because you are resentful towards me. Try to see past your ignorance and prejudce, and you'll have a happier life.

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My word Ernie - you seem to be increasingly coming across to the dark side, what, with these libertarian free market ideas 😀

You'll be quoting Old Holborn before long 😆

Me and Ernie have been forming 'counter-protests' at Anti-Tesco protests. We've got little placards that say 'We want Tescos' and 'We fully support the free-market business model as practiced by Tesco and other large companies and we fully defend their legal rights to set up businesses wherever they so choose'. In fact Ernie's even had that second slogan tattooed on his buttocks.

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Yeah...we have a tescos in the town which is just fine, but they want to go colossal with it. Planning was rejected on the first two or 3 attempts and then new even bigger plans emerged and the planning was granted. I bet any money they still wont have anything I want in stock.

Cheeky git ratty. You know damn well that I have always been opposed to self-appointed Guardian readers telling ordinary people what they should do, say, and think. I have a track record of opposing PC language, and defending the rights of people to enjoy whatever they wish to enjoy - including the X Factor. I also defend the right of people to follow whatever religion they wish to follow - in face of the relentless onslaught from aggressive atheism. Despite all that, I can hardly be describe as a "liberal"........I have an uncompromising commitment to a society which guarantees the unalienable democratic rights of all citizens - including the right to political, economic, and state power.

Yeah, sure, my defence of Tesco might seem a little strange, and it seems a little strange even for me, but as I said in my first sentence on the matter "I love Tesco, in terms of supplying to customers what they want, they are one of capitalism great success stories". Capitalism rarely satisfies fully the needs of people, Tesco is an example which is reasonably successful imo. And at least part of the reason for that, is actually the huge size of Tesco's operations - it makes them highly vulnerable to criticism and bad publicity in a way which smaller outfits would never need to worry about.

nyone know of a contractor deciding to build the building bigger rather than the client want?

Perhapse it was a BOO (Build, Own, Opperate) contractor? I.e. TESCO says "I need a distribuion center that can handle XYZ,000,000 items per week, collect form this geographical area, and deliver to that area.

So Tesco have no direct involvement with the opperation, its a 3rd party doing all the work, so Tesco have no real idea whats going on. no idea if that's true or how tesco work, but it counters your point nicely.

Ernie, wasn't having a go - just pointing out the fact that diametrically opposed political opponents [i]can[/i] find common ground 😯

Back on topic...

Look at what that [b]can[/b] take place when money is involved, I don't think that anyone at any level of government but the military could mobilise effort with this efficiency to meet a public need: Tesco store built in workington after the floods:

In fact, myself and Ernie are such big fayns of Tescos, that we'll be at the opening of [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrards_Cross_tunnel_collapse ]the new store at Gerrards Cross[/url]. We hope to see you all there.

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