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Which matters more, shareholder value or social responsibility?
It would seem pretty self evident that most companies are more interested in profit over the impact they may have on society, but after reading this
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Tesco want to open as store in Machynlleth[/url]
I'm convinced that they do not give a shit about the damage they are doing to society and that it appears the planning process is easily manipulated in their favour, it's pretty depressing really.
"shareholder value or social responsibility"
lol - you're not seriously asking this?
Duh.
It's a business. Its business is to identify areas for growth. Don't like it? I suggest you start growing your own and never shop in a chain of any sort!
As Billywhizz says, all very much stating the obvious, but it's depressing that they are doing this in Machynlleth, it's a lovely place with real character. And despite being a tiny place it has one decent sized supermarket already.
A new supermarket in a decent sized town? It'll never catch on......
Peter, Mach has a population of 2100 according to that article. A bustling metropolis it is not.
It is business, and in the end they will probabaly win. We have just lost our local pub, probabaly because of cheap booze at supermarkets.
No pubs, no shops, no post office.............no community.
"tesco land" do we really want it?
I for one am seriously considering growing my own and no longer shopping in chain stores.
As a member of the middle classes who can afford to shop where I like I tend towards cultural preservation and protecting against corporate influence. On the other hand, why should the vocal minority of the town get to dictate who can and cannot trade there? If the majority of the town's inhabitants don't like it, it will be Tesco who lose out.
Peter, Mach has a population of 2100 according to that article. A bustling metropolis it is not.
No, but the point of superstores is they serve the surrounding community, not that they're limited TO the town they are in!
probabaly because of cheap booze at supermarkets.
What a load of tripe, it's probably because most of the younger generation prefer clubs to pubs and most of the older generation dont like standing outside to smoke. Add to that the fact that we're in an economic downturn and people dont go out as much, is it fair to blame the supermarket? I think not!
However I agree, supermarkets mean a loss of community in some cases. There's still a thriving community and shops where I live, and its less than 2 miles from 3 different supermarkets.
Don't like it? Don't shop there. Your only real option.
But they're betting most of you will shop there.
I quite like their pizzas
🙂
No, but the point of superstores is they serve the surrounding community, not that they're limited TO the town they are in!
Again, the Dyfi Valley is not the most densely populated area in the UK. Take the tourists out of the equation and it's probably one of the least.
lol - you're not seriously asking this?
I'm not asking Tesco no, I'm asking you lot.
Don't like it? I suggest you start growing your own and never shop in a chain of any sort!
Is that the answer though?
If the majority of the town's inhabitants don't like it, it will be Tesco who lose out.
Have you read the article, or looked at the links George provides? Tesco have massive clout that the council appears unable (or unwilling) to fight against, the cost of fighting an appeal could bankrupt them!
Again, the Dyfi Valley is not the most densely populated area in the UK. Take the tourists out of the equation and it's probably one of the least.
I know it well, but take a 5-10 mile radius and you have more than enough people to keep a supermarket alive, plus the tourists in summer to boost profits.
you have more than enough people to keep a supermarket alive
but not much else 🙁
I haven't shopped in a "Shop formerly owned by Dame Shirley Porter" for more than 5 years because I don't like their business practices.
That is all I have to say.
People are sheep and selfish..............they will all go to the new Tesco to get acces to loads of stuff at lower prices without considering the eventual effect on their community.
Yep, I read the article. My question is: what is the perspective of the silent majority?
It's a business. Its business is to identify areas for growth
100% with that comment. Does anyone think Tesco (or any other major retailer) just randomly pick nice places to open shops? No they don't, they have people that work out footfalls, projected growths and all that malarky.
If any individuals don't like paying lower prices for a wider range of goods, then they can shop at the existing shops. It is quite perplexing that people would not want a greater freedom of choice.
Tesco have their hand in everything, they undercut and rip off farmers and land owners, put small businesses out of work, and cause countless other problems, and the adverts with out of work actors are highly annoying. But they made over a £billion last year IIRC, so they're really not bothered.
We still all shop there at times though.
I think replacing the 'Superstore' signs with alternatives that show where you can find a butcher or baker would be a good thing.
Which matters more, shareholder value or social responsibility?
They're a public listed company that is out to make as much money for it's shareholders as it possibly can. Any moral or social responsibility is only going to be done if it doesn't impact on the bottom line. Much the same as most if not all companies (there will be of course some exceptions). E.g in supermarkets case they like to be seen to be giving a better deal to farmers but in reality it's ensuring their supply chain. Free buses so people can get to the shop if they haven't got a car or don't want to use one? Of course, will driving past the boarded up local shops.
I now shop at the Co-op as it is within walking distance and they have a better moral stance towards farmers etc. than the big boys. From memory I think there's a Co-op in Mach.
IMO you won't beat the big boys at planning. They'll quite happily buy up land to stop any rivals setting up and have much more money, people etc. who's job it is to get things done.
Many years ago there used to be lots of suppliers / farmers and lots of distributors (shops, markets etc.) Now the number of distributors has fallen dramatically so that the big multinational companies hold all the power. Shop local and shop small. Boycott Tescos, Asda etc.
without considering the eventual effect on their community.
I would rather consider the eventual effect on my wallet.
If any individuals don't like paying lower prices for a wider range of goods, then they can shop at the existing shops. It is quite perplexing that people would not want a greater freedom of choice.
How does the complete homogenisation of our towns create greater freedom of choice?
What about the net reduction in jobs?
What about the increased reliance on the car?
What about increased food miles as stuff is take to central distribution points before being returned, often to a location only a few miles from it's origin?
What about the scorched earth impact on our town centres and the social cohesion that a lack of personal contact creates (do you chat to your fellow customers in a superstore, I can never remember doing so but it happens all the time in small shops, especially the butchers for some reason).
They've already wrapped up butchers, bakers, greengrocers, florists, etc. All by undercutting their prices, once the local competition has gone, the prices creep back up. They've pretty much done it to the computer gaming market (a friend of mine owned a games store), they've got their sights set on the electronics market (a trade I've just pulled out of), and now we hear ASDA are doing cheap bikes at no profit, even admitting so! The supermarkets have too much power. Once the independants have all gone we'll be at the mercy of the chains
I now shop at the Co-op
There are three Co-ops within walking distance of my house. They are all rubbish (local staffing problems I would say) - faulty freezers leaking on floors, half-emptied stock trolleys blocking the aisles, incorrectly shelved goods, always out of stock of the one thing I have gone in for, never enough staff on the tills.
I would rather consider the eventual effect on my wallet.
I'd rather have a society in which my family can thrive
I would rather consider the eventual effect on my wallet.
Fortunately we're not all like you.
take a 5-10 mile radius and you have more than enough people to keep a supermarket alive,
It already has a supermarket.
It is quite perplexing that people would not want a greater freedom of choice.
IME that isn't what Tesco offer. In my local Tesco Express they have a big range of pre-packed salad, but if you want to buy a lettuce, fuhgeddaboudit.
This type of marketing strategy applies across the board - e.g. you can buy inner tubes for way cheaper than your LBS sells them, but they aren't ever going to replace it - although they might help to put it out of business. 😐
People are sheep and selfish..............they will all go to the new Tesco to get acces to loads of stuff at lower prices without considering the eventual effect on their community.
Hit the nail on the head there, what can the selfless do but dispair?
How does the complete homogenisation of our towns create greater freedom of choice?
I am talking about freedom of choice for the products bought.
What about increased food miles as stuff is take to central distribution points before being returned, often to a location only a few miles from it's origin?
Which is worse? One mega shop carting huge lorry loads in one go or 100 little shops all going separately to their own suppliers/having goods delivered independantly of each other?
Basically my point is - if the local population doesn't like the store, it will fail and it will close. I am pretty confident that a large enough proportion will like the freedom that such a store brings to go to one destination in one car in one go to buy everything in one go, rather than going to lots of different shops to get things. I really don't see how a store will create a greater reliance on cars, if anything it will reduce it.
If any individuals don't like paying lower prices for a wider range of goods, then they can shop at the existing shops. It is quite perplexing that people would not want a greater freedom of choice.
So you believe the self serving lie that supermarkets give wider choice at lower prices? Proof that people will believe things if you say them often enough.
If you actually look at an established Tesco store you'll see the range of choice becomes quite narrow and prices start going up once the competition has been extinguished.
How can you have a wider choice of goods when the shop in question is trying to sell everything you could possibly want?
They are in the process of opening their 15th and 16th stores in and around Cambridge, soon you'll never be more than 3 feet away from a tesco store!
I would rather consider the eventual effect on my wallet.
My best mate's like this, has no apathy for people doing they're job in independants getting raped by the big boys. They have food to put on the table too, who cares if chainreactioncycles.com are 11% cheaper? Get friendly with your LBS and they'll give you 10% off, if they don't at least you have a small LBS communtity where if you have a problem you've got some free advice.
Thing that makes me laugh though is he used to get really angry at people who'd buy a house bypassing the Estate Agent to save on fees, funnily enough, he was an estate agent himself!
I will go miles out of my way [b]TO SHOP AT TESCO[/b] this weekend just because it's that c*** Monboit. I'd have more time for TJ or RB's oppinions than that man.
Fortunately we're not all like you.
Quite clearly there is a majority that are. I do not see the sense in buying bog paper at £6 a pack just to keep some little shop in business when I can get it for £4 a pack from a supermarket. Where is the sense in that? I really do not understand how there can be any sane justification to do so.
if the local population doesn't like the store, it will fail and it will close.
I'm pretty sure that as a whole, Tesco's profits are enough to take a hit for the first few years on one store, before they can undercut the other businesses to death.
Fortunately we're not all like you.
Unfortunatley, especially right now, a lot of people are like this.
We have a co-op in the town where we do most of our shopping (Wem, Nth Shropshire), doesn't suffer any of the problems Fanyloin hsa experienced, but I do have an issue with them not stocking much local produce and I'm sure they are the reason there is now only 1 butcher left in the town.
I like my local shop, so I buy things there. Have you noticed that when you go to a supermarket that you end up buying loads of shit that you never really wanted? When I go to my local shop I get what I want not what some marketter wants me to buy.
As an example of how other people view things not just in terms of pounds, shillings and pence - the shop in Peaslake that all t'cyclists go to is mostly supported by local residents who pay to keep it open as a community and visitor resource instead of letting it go to the wall - they must be idiots, but there's a shed load of people who're very pleased that the locals do this.
I do not see the sense in buying bog paper at £6 a pack just to keep some little shop in business when I can get it for £4 a pack from a supermarket. Where is the sense in that?
Is that really a significant drain on your income? You must **** like a four-assed monkey. 🙂
If you actually look at an established Tesco store you'll see the range of choice becomes quite narrow and prices start going up once the competition has been extinguished.
I buy all my stuff online now anyway. Pretty soon we all will and all the stores will disappear, to be replaced by local shops for local people where we can all get screwed over because we ran out of milk and end up having to pay 50% more than the supermarkets for a bottle of soon out of date skanky skimmed as it was the last remaining bottle they had on the shelf.
Is that really a significant drain on your income?
It was an example. If every product I wanted in a local shop was 50% more than at a supermarket, yes it would be a drain on my finances.
Quite clearly there is a majority that are. I do not see the sense in buying bog paper at £6 a pack just to keep some little shop in business when I can get it for £4 a pack from a supermarket.
But you are missing the essential point.
Tesco lure you in to save £2 on your toilet roll. You can then buy pretty poor quality steak for the same price that you could have got decent steak at the butchers, and then can you buy a load of processed food, pop or alcohol because that is the only stuff that is ever reduced in supermarkets.
But at least you save £2 on your bog paper.
I buy all my stuff online now anyway. Pretty soon we all will and all the stores will disappear, to be replaced by local shops for local people where we can all get screwed over because we ran out of milk and [b]end up having to pay 50% more than the supermarkets for a bottle of soon out of date skanky skimmed as it was the last remaining bottle they had on the shelf[/b]
I laughed at that.
Incidentally the cheapest milk around here is in Farm Foods - makes me feel grubby just walking in there!
I don't cook much processed food so I like to see the quality of the veg/meat/fish, not possible over the net. That's also a reason I'm not keen on supermarkets, because the quality of meat/fish/veg is relatively poor.
Ok so lets say the majority of a village or small town would vote "no" for tesco, but the council says "yes" and it gets built anyway.
Assuming they don't actually level every small convienience store, butcher, baker etc within say, a 5 mile radius (and I'm pretty sure they don't) it now becomes up to those indignant people who said "no" to now resist the temptation of lower prices, and continue supporting those small businesses that they were so keen on in the first place.
No one is gonna twist your arm to go to tesco, and there will always be small shops that survive initially, so how many of those "no" people would honsetly have the moral integrity to stick to their principals and support the small business's, against saving themselves money?
Tesco lure you in to save £2 on your toilet roll. You can then buy pretty poor quality steak for the same price that you could have got decent steak at the butchers, and then can you buy a load of processed food, pop or alcohol because that is the only stuff that is ever reduced in supermarkets.
I can understand what you are saying, but I get my fruit n veg from Able and Cole (organic) and buy meat from local butchers (organic where I can). The items that I can buy anywhere, I will buy at the cheapest source - jars of cooking sauces for when I don't want to cook from scratch etc.
But then I like to have the freedom of choice. I choose to save money where I can on products that are the same wherever I go, and buy other items based on quality. Funnily enough, in my local experience, I cannot find a greengrocers that have veg of as good quality/fresh as supermarkets. I have lost count of the amount of times I have bought from markets/greengrocers and then opened an onion to find it rotten inside, cut a clove of garlic to find it green and sprouting in the middle.
I would never not shop at Tesco just because they are Tesco and I don't shop at Tesco because Tesco are nasty.
I don't think supermarkets are that cheap for a lot of things - like fruit and veg, our local greengrocers is silly cheap, I reckon about half the cost of buying the same stuff in our Morrisons (which is quite a cheapy supermarket). And the quality is better than the supermarket stuff too. If we had a market, fruit & veg are even cheaper there usually.
It's true that supermarkets are good for getting all the things you need in one shop, but I don't think they're much cheaper really.
Joe
not used Tesco for years as they have been doing this kind of thing for a while.
Like all big companies they will only stop when it affects the amount of money they make.
Consumers by continuing to go there allow them to do this.
Sadly the average consumer does not care for what Tesco does, the plight of farmers, the condition of workers in China , child labour that made their clothes etc.
Their prime/sole concern is how cheap it is for them.
Why independent shops are better..
Wanted some diced lamb on Saturday, went to the butcher, asked for some (while chatting to other customers), no problem sir, picks up a whole leg, cuts off what we wanted, dices it, charges us a pitance for the quality of the meat, the effort required (no mechanical reclaimation here) and the personal touch.
Might have cost us 50p more than something in a tray on a shelf in Tesco, might even have been cheaper, not the point though.
I can trawl round local shops trying to get food for the week on a saturday or i can buy it at a supermarket in an evening and ride my bike on a saturday. If small businesses are serious about trying to survive then why not open just one evening a week?
or i can buy it at a supermarket in an evening
Or you make a favourites list at Tesco online and just re-order all the things you buy every time you need to, then just wait in for the pre-defined 2 hr slot and have it brought to your door. No need to haver the stress of driving and you can choose not to have plastic bags if you want to hug some seals too.
Even more time for riding then.
I can't see it taking off.
Machynlleth is home to only hippies and farmers. Farmers pockets arms are too short to reach the bottom of their pockets and hippies must have 101 reasons not to shop at Tesco. Therefore the Co-Op will thrive.
I also can't see Aberystwyth locals making the 19 mile trek up to Mach as the road is longer than the 19 miles may suggest. Tesco have tried to land a store in Aber many times and I'm sure one would be successful if they could get passed the planning office, but they haven't in the past 20 years.
when local shops start opening outside of the normal small shop opening hours (like, when I'm not working) then I'll consider using them... until small shops jump out of their little stuck-in-their-ways world, I have no option but to use supermarkets...
EDIT - I realise i'm a little OT in this moan 🙂
Some funny blinkered thinking going on here. We live in a capitalist country, which means that we shop in the shops that we consider good and the ones that aren't good go bust. I used to shop in local butchers/bakers etc in Cardiff and often the service was crap and the food wasn't as good as Tesco. The bread in all of the local bakers at the time (in Roath) wasn't a patch on Tescos bread.
So instead of just bleating about how Tescos is taking away your market - make your shop better! The capitalist system demands that you find something that people want and sell it to them. Years ago, someone thought 'hey there's a business opportunity here for a butchers' so they opened one. That doesn't really give them a right to a living in perpetuity. They may even have taken away someone else's business for themselves.
Having a Tescos might mean that more people will come to your town. So you could capitalise (pun intended) on the increased footfall and open up a shop that sells something (or does something) that Tesco doesn't. Innovation is a core part of the system.
A while ago I went to Tallin in Estonia. What struck me was how hard everyone was trying to get you into their businesses. Every restaurant or coffee shop was nicely decorated, had great service and good food. Because until recently they didn't have the chance to run their own businesses the way they wanted. It was interesting to compare it to the scruffy cafes or crap pubs that've been depending on the same set-in-their-ways customers for decades, and have no idea how to innovate and get new customers. Watch a couple of episodes of the Hotel Inspector to see what I mean 🙂
Wanted some diced lamb on Saturday, went to the butcher, asked for some (while chatting to other customers), no problem sir, picks up a whole leg, cuts off what we wanted, dices it, charges us a pitance for the quality of the meat, the effort required (no mechanical reclaimation here) and the personal touch.
How do you think Tesco gets diced lamb?
There's a guy out back butchering legs of lamb...
Tesco have tried to land a store in Aber many times
I though that there was quite a large one there already?
There's a guy out back butchering legs of lamb...
And sealing it into little airtight packages? 🙄
Wouldn't be so simplistic as to say that all supermarkets are rubbish, or that all local shops are great, but Tescos really is the worst of all worlds - not as cheap as Asda or Lidl, but with the same rubbish selection - hoof and eyelid meatlike grills and cheapo jeans that my Dad wouldn't wear.
I can trawl round local shops trying to get food for the week on a saturday or i can buy it at a supermarket in an evening and ride my bike on a saturday. If small businesses are serious about trying to survive then why not open just one evening a week?
Conversley, I can go shopping on a Saturday morning whilst my daughter spends 40 mins at ballet and get pretty much everything we need, someone's got to take her (sometimes my wife does the shopping and I take my son to the park where I spend half the time picking up broken glass in the playground, but that's another story...grr).
Shopping with kids in Tesco is awful, shopping in a small town, maybe visiting the library at the same time, is ime much less of an issue and quite pleasant really and much more of a learning experience for them as the shopkeepers chat to them instead of trying to get them to pester us for stuff.
We've actually organised ourselves in this way because that's how we want to live, I tend to ride in the evenings too. It's quite easy really.
Holmfirth's my patch. Tesco are trying to build here (about a mile out of town, i.e. people won't use the town centre itself) but they've come up against serious opposition. I can't see it happening. The incumbent Coop is being forced to up its game though.
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I'm definitely against Tesco here.
You want to live in Stafford,
A huge ASDA
A huge Sainsburys
A huge Tesco
Sainsbury and ASDA have done little to upset the dynamics of the town,
Tesco however, built on land that compounded the towns traffic problems.
It put its petrol station in a position that completely puts its customers in peril as they enter / leave due to the fact the main stores carpark is badly designed.
I would love to wring the necks of the town planners who let the monstrosity be built in the format that it is.. Just going to Stafford Tesco is bloddy dangerous..
Its not the fact that Tesco ARE arriving in Mid Wales, its what they plan to dump on your infrastructure that you should be worrying about..
Vote with your wallets friends, vote with your wallets.
Shops all compete on the same basis - find your USP and exploit it. Range, price, sense of community, niche-ness, flexibilty, customer-friendliness, advice, knowledge - the list goes on.
Small guys working out how to fight back against Tescos will give us the shops we want. Taking notice will give us the shops we deserve. If that makes sense
I go out of my way to shop locally. At times it is a pain, and there are some things I can't get. I agree with those above who'd like to see late opening times one day a week. I can see that it would be hard to achieve if you've got a very busy schedule, kids etc. because it does require effort and planning.
I have no idea if it costs more, but I know the food I get is better (meat especially so) and that's important to me.
I'm also mental enough to drive for 40 minutes to go to a record shop. Whilst I was there, I paid twice as much for an album I could have got from Amazon. But I also bought two recommendations which were great, and had a pleasant time chatting with the owner. For me, that stuff is worth the extra.
igm.
have you been in a big supermarket ?
They are paranoid about 'other outlet types', in tesco;;
Electrical. (attacking the likes of Currys etc)
Reading materials (attacking WHSmith etc)
Clothing (attacking any clothing retailer)
Perfumes / cosmetics ( attacking Boots etc)
Toys, car cleaning goods, flowers, bakerys,
They want total domination in the way we go about spending our money !
Having a Tescos might mean that more people will come to your town.
how many Tesco stores are actually in the town centre?
They are all on the margins of a town and do FA for the town read the thread even Tesco admits it causes job losses in towns it builds stores in 🙄
For me, that stuff is worth the extra.
And that goes, full circle, to what I said ages ago about freedom of choice. But apparently I am wrong.
You want to live in Stafford,
A huge ASDA
A huge Sainsburys
A huge Tesco
Is that all?
Here in Swansea :
1 Morrisons
1 Asda
1 Sainsbury
3 large Tesco
2 or 3 Tesco Express.
plus Aldi/Lidl, Coop, etc
They are the ones I can think of quickly within Swansea.
Also planning applications to move one of the Tesco to make it larger, for another Asda, etc.
This isn't dragging in people from smaller towns around, because Tesco have built in just about anywhere that has more than 5 houses.
However we are very lucky to have a decent indoor market with good butchers, veg stalls and excellent fishmongers.
Within 5 miles of where I live there is in excess of 500,000 sq ft of supermarkets.
Sainsbury x 3
Tesco x 4 (not including Tesco metro)
Morrissons x 2
Sainsbury x 4
Waitrose x 4
Asda x 1
Iceland x 1
also a couple of Netto/Aldi/Lidl
Idle-Jon,
Swansea is just a tad bigger than Stafford !
Within arms reach of my hands is a laptop where I can buy it all online.
Eco-windbag-hypocrite moves to quaint town in mid-Wales (buying a car in the process so he can continue to get around, plugging his books and maybe going to a supermarket in the next town). Less than two years later, Tesco threatens to open a store there making it slightly less nice. He (ab)uses his position to get national coverage of a local issue.
Sorry, not feeling especially sympathetic. If the residents like, and use, the local shops they will remain viable and open. In reality, I suspect most local residents (the 4/5ths not raising objections) would quite like to get their shopping in one hit at somewhere that actually keeps things in stock most of the time.
i come from a town called dunstable
its always been a bit of a pants commuter town, but has some noticeable good points, not least of which the local downs
anyway since the opening of 1 giants tesco, 1giant sainsburys, 1 giant asda and an aldi in the last 20 years it has turned into the poster boy for the death of the local high street the soul has been completely removed
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there is even a facebook group trying to save it
but imho its too late for that the big stores havent just closed small businesses theyve sucked the self respect and sense of community from the town
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igm.
have you been in a big supermarket ?...
...They want total domination in the way we go about spending our money !
Once or twice (about 2330 on Monday was the last time) and yes they want every penny you spend - but forgive me, I don't feel entirely sorry for WHSmiths or Currys. They're big boys and have to look out for themselves.
That said I wouldn't buy much from the likes Currys anyway - they don't stock the higher end cameras and HiFi stuff. (and yes I an a lucky unrepentent middleclass type who can afford it)
There's two big Tescos in York (a pretty small town - also two Sainsburys, an Adsa, a Morrisons) and the Currys / Dixons group doesn't seem to be doing two well. The two specialist HIFi shops seem to be doing OK though. As are plenty of butchers, farmers markets and bike shops. Good small shops will always survive - bad ones will, and should, fail.
And that goes, full circle, to what I said ages ago about freedom of choice. But apparently I am wrong.
But how long can freedom of choice and such cheap prices for our food last? How long can we continue to consume without concerning ourselves with the consequences? Whether that be social-political or health or environmental implications?
My gut feeling is that striving to save more and more money off our already ridiculously cheap food whilst consuming more and more stuff is ultimately destroying our society and is going to cause a major conflict when China and India catch up and start demanding the same standards as we have enjoyed and [b]taken for granted[/b] all our lives.
I have this personal philosophy called "a fair price for a fair job", I use it in both my work and personal life. Seems to be doing me ok, and other people too.
I suspect most local residents (the 4/5ths not raising objections) would quite like to get their shopping in one hit at somewhere that actually keeps things in stock most of the time.
Why, because they don't give a shit about what might happen to their town and the fact that many jobs will be lost? Just so it's a little bit more convenient for them?
I think that nicely highlights the problem with this country at the moment, full of selfish people who just want to save a few quid and half an hour a week and **** everyone else.
How long can we continue to consume without concerning ourselves with the consequences?
And buying from your local shop helps how? Do you think that paying 20% more for a jar of Dolmio sauce and some bog paper will somehow save our planet?
has anyone realised that sueprmarkets are good, cheap, quick and have a large variety of products?
I buy my household shopping from Tesco online and get my music from P2P, everything else comes from Amazon. I CBA to travel to shops and traipse about with the proletariat. 😆
York (a pretty small town)
It has a Minster, it is a city.
😉
I though that there was quite a large one there already?
Yeh we currently have
Small Sommerfield in town (Changing to Co-Op soon)
Large Morrisons out of town
Co-Op small out of town (just closed to become a small supermarket chainstore)
and a couple of Spars and another tiny co-op to serve outlying residential area.
