Longer than you I reckon. Let's start an argument over that! 😀
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When did a nice holiday become some sort of civil right? We have the right to time off work as "holiday" time, ie you don't have to do 12 hour shifts 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, even in Yorkshire. Kids have a right to time away from school - something like 13 weeks away from school.
At no time have we ever had the "right" to go on a nice holiday - that is a question of income and lifestyle choice/priorities.
Maybe travel companies take the p-roverbial in school holiday time, maybe if fewer parents hadn't taken the p-roverbial in the past schools would have more discretion about reasonable time for more "educational/experiential" holidays, but to argue that a parent has any sort of right to take their child out of school in term time to go on a holiday is just the politics of jealousy.
I seriously haven't seen anyone argue that a nice holiday is any kind of civil (or human, as mentioned earlier) right. Has someone argued that?
Parents should be able to choose for themselves obviously.
The education system has clearly failed many of you.
No, but banning term time holidays altogether would prevent the 'good' kind of holiday as well as the 'bad' kind.So perhaps it should be left up to the school.
Or maybe the 'good' holidays aren't of sufficient benefit to actually be worth the bother, and it's a lot easier just to ban them all rather than get into the grief of having lots of parents trying to convince the school that their 2 weeks in Benidorm are a 'good' holiday. Do you honestly think kids are going to really suffer from not getting 2 weeks of speaking a little bit of French at Eurocamp during term time when they could be wasting it on lessons instead?
Just because some people do[s]n't[/s] have educational holidays for their kids, doesn't mean [s]no-one[/s] everyone does.
As already pointed out, you don't seem to grasp that not everyone has your values - maybe you missed those classes?
The way some people have argued about how important it is to take little Johnny and Judy to a beach in Spain every year, I mistakenly thought it was up there along with clean water and trial by jury? 😉
The way some people have argued about how important it is to take little Johnny and Judy to a beach in Spain every year
Can you tell me where this has been argued?
As already pointed out, you don't seem to grasp that not everyone has your values - maybe you missed those classes?
Well no if you read back I've acknowledged that several times.
You are missing the point. If you ban ALL holidays, you are stopping people having good educational experiences as well as null ones.
If it's left up to discretion, as I'm suggesting (and as it has been for a while afaik), then we stand a good chance of allowing good experiences and limiting the useless ones.
Do you honestly think kids are going to really suffer from not getting 2 weeks of speaking a little bit of French at Eurocamp during term time when they could be wasting it on lessons instead?
Yes, quite possibly. Certainly a shitload more stimulating for me than staring out of the window in lessons.
You are missing the point. If you ban ALL holidays, you are stopping people having good educational experiences as well as null ones.
No-one's suggesting banning ALL holidays, only the ones that stop kids from going to school. Or do you only have "educational experiences" during term time?
And, and I might have missed this, how come a caravanning holiday on a campsite means you have to take time off school? Don't the ferries run and caravan sites open when the schools are off?
I've lost your thread completely.
I meant if you ban all holidays IN TERM TIME then you stop people having good educational experiences as well as null ones. I'd have thought that was obvious.
And, and I might have missed this, how come a caravanning holiday on a campsite means you have to take time off school?
Well the point of this thread is that people may only be able to afford to go abroad outside of school holidays. Some people are saying this is a frivolous waste of quality education time; I am posing an alternate point of view.
I meant if you ban all holidays IN TERM TIME then you stop people having good educational experiences as well as null ones. I'd have thought that was obvious.
But if you ban all holidays in term time, then the kids are all having good educational experiences in school and you don't have to worry about the null ones. Also, good educational experiences are available to all in the fabulous country we live in.
I would like to see an attempt to minimise the issue, but fundamentally it seems sound policy to insist that children aspire to 100% attendance.
the kids are all having good educational experiences in school
Oh.. really? 🙂
Can you tell me where this has been argued?
loddrick's been playing that tune - "they deserve a nice holiday" and all that.
"Companies in fulfilling their obligation to shareholders and maximising profit opportunities" shocker.
As has been said loads of times on here and elsewhere, supply and demand dictate prices. The holiday companies are businesses with overheads and profit targets to achieve. If these aren't met, jobs go. They are businesses, not charities, and holidays are luxuries not rights.
You take the holiday you can afford, at the time your kids' education allows. That's the sacrifice you make as a parent.
