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...shut up ! You get 13 weeks off a year paid.
We all work hard its called life !
Starting salary isn't bad...
Thoughts ?
Shall I get my coat 😉
Troll and the Edinburgh defense all in one 🙂 Next you will be having a go at parents taking kids on holiday in term time
certainly not a troll !
Why do you think that ?
Maybe you should sign up then?
I think most work hard, some could probably work smarter and have an easier life though. Same with any profession. Though having to spend your time dealing with the screw ups that parents seem to make must be hard work.
I think you should don your coat.
I'm a teacher and before that i worked as a coder pushing 18 hour days and teaching is the hardest thing i have ever done.
Typical day - get up at 5 get to school 6:30 prepare for the day - teach all day after school either plan or have students doing catch up work etc.
Get home - plan for a few hours.
In the holidays - plan for the coming term / year depending on what the government has changed.
It is very hard, i'm in my 3rd year and already thinking of going back to the gaming industry. I'm an outstanding teacher and my students achieve a lot more than they 'should' but it's really tough.
What do you do for a living?
It's only fair that you tell us.
[i]Shall I get my coat[/i] You'll need more than a coat for protection when I tell my step daughter.
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach*
*dont really mean that 8) just for sh1 ts and giggles
Someone's come from under their bridge. Let me guess you've done some teaching.
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach**dont really mean that
And those that cant teach, teach/ grade the teachers 🙂
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3 months off in the summer, home by 3:30.
Nice work if you can get it...
😉
I'm a teacher and before that i worked as a coder pushing 18 hour days and teaching is the hardest thing i have ever done.
Typical day - get up at 5 get to school 6:30 prepare for the day - teach all day after school either plan or have students doing catch up work etc.
If anyone in any industry told me that I'd suggest they take a good look at what they are doing. Maybe some time to step back and work out some efficiency in there.
Had [i]a lickle drinkie[/i] today, have we?
I'm an AHT in a C & I school.
Come work-shadow me and see what you think...
Spin - Member
What do you do for a living?It's only fair that you tell us.
Started a social enterprise bike shop 10 years ago that employs/offers opportunities/training to adults with mild learning difficulties and now job training with labour exchange.
So you could say I'm a salesman/mechanic/teacher/accountant/tired person !
And I don't get 13 weeks off
aP - Member
Had a lickle drinkie today, have we?
Yep green tea
Started a social enterprise bike shop 10 years ago that employs/offers opportunities/training to adults with mild learning difficulties and now job training with labour exchange
Sounds great, I really mean that but what percentage of your working day is full on pedal to the metal working as hard as you can and what percentage is standing about chewing the fat?
I'm an AHT in a C & I school.Come work-shadow me and see what you think...
AHT? C&I? Work-Shadow?
Que?
Typical teacher.
😉
get up at 5 get to school 6:30 prepare for the day - teach all day...
Did you opt out of the Working Time Directive ?
Do your 48 hours, then go home.
Sounds great, I really mean that.
It is and its bloody hard work alternate half day sundays too !
Spend all day having fun !
But I do love it
AHT?
You need to get clued up on your TLA's
But then its easy to say that if you have no idea what goes on in a feachers day by what your saying then isnt it mike?
I too was of that opinion till i saw what teachers have to put up with. (Live with one)
Its a combined job really. Teacher , mediator and social worker all in one. Thenthere are the extra curricular things you have to do for the good of the school- and are expected to do by the heads. Doe , sports teams , extra study sessions. But i guess you can manage that inefficiency right out - maybe privitising it would be a good way to get rid of the lazy ****ers ?
Personally if i ha to put up with half the crap i see teachers getting in any industry i was involved in i would tell them to take a long walk off a short pier. The education systems taking the piss out of oneof the most important assets this country has for the future.
Mtqg
Wont have a job for long if you do that
Your social enterprise sounds amazing. I'd like to hear more, given the nature of my students. But...
So you could say I'm a salesman/mechanic/teacher/accountant/tired person !
...I'm afraid your workload isn't the same as a teachers.
Sorry.
If teaching was such a cushy job you'd expect retention rates of trained teachers to be somewhat higher and it would be easier to find good staff.
If it's that appealing then become a teacher.
trail_rat - Member
But then its easy to say that if you have no idea what goes on in a feachers day by what your saying then isnt it mike?
A fairly good idea, my mother was a Head Teacher till she retired.
I also spend a lot of my time working with people who are unable to see how to work more efficiently. They bury themselves in so deep it will take them too long to get out into a more efficient way of working, health being a great example.
With all the politics, stress and poor retention rates wearing an 18hr day badge of honour is counter productive.
If teaching is that easy/well paid, why don't you become a teacher rather than moaning on the Internet?
I agree with the OP, infact Im so ****ing outraged that ill just be letting my kids play in the street from 9am-3:30pm every day
school of hard knocks is all the education theyll need, keep em away from them lefty whinging guardian reading teacher ****s
AHT: Assistant Head Teacher
C & I: Communication & Interaction (autism/Aspergers/Severe Speech and Language Impairment)
Work-shadowing: where you shadow someone at work. To see what they do.
Hope this helps.
OP
It would be easy to call you an ignorant, uneducated prick. One ,that may have struggled at school because of an undiagnosed additional support need. I won't do that though, it would be a cheap shot and I don't really have any evidence to back up my accusation. So, because I live with two teachers and hear a lot about the day to day ,might I suggest that you gather more information before opting for such a sweeping statement. Ya big fanny
...I'm afraid your workload isn't the same as a teachers.
Probably not
fasthaggis
Steady on old chap...bit OTT !
I have a few friends that are teachers, and dare I say it my father was a teacher...but what would I know I'm just a big fanny
Head teacher isnt teaching.
Thats management - albe it requiring specialist knowledge - but its very similar in the way that our operations manager doesnt actually do any operations.
Teaching kids is the last job in the world I woud do. I just could not do it, yet I have zero respect, and to be honest, generally nothing but contempt for (secondary school) teachers, due to their attitude and constant whining. I've never met a teacher that I've liked.
Head teacher isnt teaching.Thats management - albe it requiring specialist knowledge - but its very similar in the way that our operations manager doesnt actually do any operations.
That's a bit of a generalisation. My post requires all of what you've described, plus additional teaching contact time and curriculum provision. But school leadership is astonishingly arduous with a high rate of attrition.
I've never met a teacher that I've liked.
I'm lovely. Truly. And handsome too.
Different schools/leaders do it different then. Eitherthat or schools with traditionally poor results heads are not expected to teach as they are too busy doing the management side of it. My high school head never once taught a class in they time i was there. The deputes sometimes did
trail_rat - Member
Head teacher isnt teaching.Thats management - albe it requiring specialist knowledge - but its very similar in the way that our operations manager doesnt actually do any operations.
No she was a teaching head in a rural first school, who until her last 3 years taught 4.5 days per week and managed the school.
For the new teacher doing 18hr days what does your head of department say to that? What is their advice? You probably need to spend some time over the summer working out how to make the job work in less hours or you will be out of there. If anyone came to me and told me they were needing to do that much just to keep up I'd be looking at ways to help and improve things because by the time you get halfway through the week you will be shot and no use to anyone.
But i guess you can manage that inefficiency right out - maybe privitising it would be a good way to get rid of the lazy ****ers ?
and another Trail_rat gem, efficiency isn't about getting rid of people or managing people out it's about getting the best from people. Making sure that their time is well used and spent doing things that are useful. It's very hard when you are involved at the front line to be able to step back and see what is needed/important etc. and how to make changes at a strategic level rather than fire fighting day to day.
[s]Different[/s][i]Some[/i] schools/leaders do it [b]differently[/b] then. [b]Either that[/b] or [b]in[/b] schools with traditionally poor results heads are not expected to teach as they are too busy doing the management side of it. My high school head never once taught a class in [b]the[/b] time [b]I[/b] was there. The [b]deputies[/b] sometimes did[b].[/b]I'm currently marking work now so I thought I'd help... 😉
Sorry i just came out of a meeting on thursday where i was told by upper management that, that was exactly how we were going to improve efficiency - and by the end of the day 25 folk were cut from payroll.
Mikewsmith for michaelgoves job- lets face it - the turtle on a poles probaby more qualified than gove is.
I think if you're happy to go home and say "stuff 'em", teaching can be a relatively easy job, with fairly short hours and decent holidays, pay and pensions.
I think if you think of the kids as people, many of whom are living in crappy situations and could in theory make a major difference to their chances in life by getting a few A-Cs, then it becomes something of a 24 hour a day job. At which point you'd be better applying that level of effort to commerce, because you'd be paid a hell of a lot more.
Yep, I spend my days working with people to improve things not sacking people.
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I'd suggest taking a read of this, it's quite a good read in terms of efficiency and improvement.
I had some very similar conversations with some nurses last year, they saw efficiency/improvement as more hours for less money & staff cuts. When you get down to the issues they start to see what they can do to improve it but you have to get out of the day to day to do that.
Having met most of my children's teachers at open nights i have had to radically change my opinion.
The enthusiasm and dedication that comes from all of them is a revelation to me, i once thought they were all a bunch of whingeing left wing bumwholes who couldn't hack it in the real world and chose instead to teach, well i was wrong and I'm glad i was wrong because if i was right my kids would be in the shyte !
But they are not in the shyte they are being educated and i for one am very grateful !
So cheers teech !!
I might well do that mike not that i want to go near management . Then leave it lying about so mrs tr can read it.