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With a failing conservative governmnet, somebodies woken vague hauge from his slumbers and reminded him of the thatcher /falklands effect had on the voting uk public, so he will be pushing for a war/fight as a way of taking the uks populations mind off their failings to date.
Let battle commence
No chance. Even the present government aren't that desperate.
Yeah, it's gonna be a full scale ruck, we're coming out of afghanistan/ iraq (apparently) this year, the troops need something to do to earn their brass 😉
Stop being so wishy-washy, OP, get off the fence and pick a damn side
No
I wonder how much we still depend on Russia for supplies of natural gas?
Nah the west will sit back and let Putin provoke the Ukrainians with troop buildups economic blackmail etc. Untill the Ukrainians, Putin's own provocateurs and/or the right wing nutters in the protest movement give him the justification to annex the bits of Ukraine he wants just like he did in Georgia
(Tinfoil hat time)
In fact Putin's stooge yanukovich was so successful at pillaging Ukraine's choffers yet so incompetent facing down the rioters that the entire thing stinks of a setup
So we won't pick a fight with N Korea as it might have Nukes but Russia Lets GO!!
Not a chance.
How tasty are the Ukrainians if it kicks off?
It would be a short war. Putin turns the gas off and our lights go out.
That's a no then.
If only the UK had the means to provide stable energy to the entire country without relying on Russia...
Nuclear anyone?
They could always take all 600 MPs for a visit to a valley in Crimea...
It looks like fancy posturing of power, flexing muscles in a stand off between East and West. The real losers will be Ukranians if things turn nasty.
Granted we can spectate awesome fireworks etc, man but who is going to rebuild Ukraine if shit happens? They really need start to think of their future.
Events in Georgia showed, there will be no messing about. Doubt Ukranian neonazis fancy this kind of battle. Splitting Ukraine will be catastrophic for its citizens.
guardian live blog to the rescue!
oldnpastit - Member
I wonder how much we still depend on Russia for supplies of natural gas?
- wrong5thElefant - Member
It would be a short war. Putin turns the gas off and our lights go out.
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How tasty are the Ukrainians if it kicks off?
tasty enough for russia not to want a war with
however, with no parliament and the loyalties of large parts of ukraines army up for question it wouldnt be much of problem
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guardian live blog to the rescue!
In that case... CHARGE!!!!!!!!
They could always take all 600 MPs for a visit to a valley in Crimea
hardly the Light Brigade; have you seen the size of some of them!
No chance, it's Georgia mark 2
Putin has caught the RoW totally unprepared with this. Verge of war in Ukraine and we have Salt on Ch4 at 9:00. Great choice of film!?!?!?
The British are insignificant in all this.
Putin has been rather clever I think. He gets to flex his muscles, flip the bird at the US and the EU, move into the box seat with China, intimidate his neighbours and increase his sphere of influence. For what, being sent to Coventry for a bit by others at the top table? Pfft, Putin just got his own table with a seat for the Chinese and no-one else.
Putin has been rather clever I think.
As depressing as it is, he appears to have been out-thinking his opposite numbers for several years now.
The Chinese won't be swapping love message with Putin or Russia in our lifetimes.
The Chinese won't be swapping love message with Putin or Russia in our lifetimes.
No you are right, they will however engage with them at the expense of the US. My greatest fear is a return to isolationist policy over the pond. Whilst this is probably quite desirable for poor people in sandy countries I'm concerned at what we then do when our prop gets removed.
I love the irony of us and the Americans getting uppity about invading countries in contravention of international law. If you were Putin, would you bother listening to us? Or just shake your head in disbelief at the rank hypocrisy?!
Do as we say, not as we do! At least he chooses wars he can win!
Putin will annexe the bits he wants, then set about making life as miserable as possible for the rest. And nobody will do a bloody thing! Then the Ukranians will soon discover the difference between the idealised view they had of Europe, and the useless, corrupt, self-serving and toothless reality. In case they haven 't fathomed that already
flip the bird at the US and the EU
If it does kick-off I fully expect some magic bombs to magically appear out of nowhere over Russian targets (within Crimea), and for the US to know nothing about them
OP, you & reality need to get reacquainted...
Europe and the US, are China's biggest markets, they have nothing to gain by siding with Russia, who they have long considered an enemy.
I sincerely hope that we remain "insignificant in all of this". I find what is going on particularly worrying if not frightening. It's a bizarre parallel day of seeming normality why very dangerous events are potentially unfolding nit very far away.
I hope Putin's disdain and disregards for any dissenting voices is being noted load and clear.
Europe and the US, are China's biggest markets, they have nothing to gain by siding with Russia, who they have long considered an enemy.
I don't think it's a case of siding with each other, it's the relegation of the US and the European Union that's the important factor. China will talk with the next biggest dog first before speaking with the yappy ones. I'd say that's now Russia.
and so far the only Vague hague has said is were boycotting talks about the setting up of the G8 junket at sochi, well a few less talking heads having free meals and holidays then.and nobodies going to the parylmpic winter games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26404584
Finding the differences in the reporting by the BBC and RT curious...................
What would you want him to do, project?
keep his nose out.
Which in effect.......?
Crimea is lost. Eastern regions to follow. We should really be worried about the sizeable Russian minorities in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania who justifiably feel aggrieved about the poor treatment that they get from our NATO allies. An attack on one, is an attack on all.
Putin's own personal propaganda channel spinning the news differently from every one else, who'd a thunk it ?
Binners
useless, corrupt, toothless .
For all the EUs faults the post soviet version of corruption puts the EU to shame
My friend in Ukraine is well aware that the EU isn't perfect but the oligarchs and Putin have driven the Ukrainian economy into the ground
Eurovision song contest should be intresting this year if it happens,its on in May.
No one is going to mess with Russia directly but China won't be happy about Russia starting to flex it's military muscle.
Still be glad the UK has no real need for Russian anything and GCHQ and nukes can be used for their proper purpose i.e. keeping Russia in check.
Finding the differences in the reporting by the BBC and RT curious...................
Let me guess,
RT: Ukraine crisis and general pro-Russian propaganda.
BBC: Endless guff about the royal family, and cryptic football 'news' headlines.
Not really. Bridget Kendall's analysis seems v good to me. As was Simpson's simple but sober message.
Callng him David Cameroon is a bit harsh for the people of Cameroon, isn't it? How about something like David Macaroon instead? Anyway, here's a picture of a coconut:
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And here's one wearing a suit:
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I found RT's description of the heavily armed, no insignia uniformed troops who arrived in a massive convoy of Russian trucks as "concerned ethnic Russians who are protecting government buildings from extremists", very accurate.
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Quote of the year, this morning:
[i]"You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext" [/i]
Mr John Kerry
Perhaps, when looking for completely trumped-up pretext, he might want to examine his own countries recent foreign adventures (WMD's anyone?).
You really couldn't make it up 🙄