[Closed] tattoo yes or no ? lol

I'm simonfbarnes, I know how the quote button works and like to nit pick. Yawn

simonfbarnes - is there anywhere they make you pay for spelling lessons?

Yes, lots of places charge for spelling lessons

how do you identify a tattoo discriminator?

You read posts by people like Shibboleth and try to avoid them however as I don't know who this person is in real life its going to prove difficult hence me putting "but that's not always possible"

I hope you're boycotting yourself?

Why would I boycott my self? I want it removed because I do not like my tattoo, it does not represent who I am now, however I do like tattoos which is why I say I would get another one.

No CountZero, I was 100% right first time.

Just remembered, I do employ someone with tattoos. The man I use to chase up bad debts...
Somehow, his tattoos, and people's perception of them does seem to help his work.

If someone has a visible tattoo and expects to enjoy a career in a professional communications industry without it hindering their employment prospects, then they are stoopid. Fact.

Shibboleth - If someone has a visible tattoo and expects to enjoy a career in a professional communications industry without it hindering their employment prospects, then they are stoopid. Fact.

I remember when similar was said about the blacks and the Irish.

I am however looking to get my tattoo removed. it was a bad idea when I was 17 but I'd happily get another now that i'm (slightly) more mature

like forgetting your own name? or the name of your wife and children?

Woody - I'm trying to make sense of that! If you mean that you don't like what you had done, why not look at getting it re-worked into something you want now. Or is it too big and nasty?

my tattoo is big and black, i've asked about cover up and rework but pretty much everyone has said there is very little they can do with it.

Previously on STW...

'blah blah blah bitch blah blah blah moan blah blah blah c@£t blah blah blah individual blah blah blah sheep blah blah blah whatever'

So, in conclusion some people have tattoos, others do not. Some people without tattoos can't stand tattoos whilst others remain non-plussed.

Tea and medals for everyone.

thepodge - Member
I remember when similar was said about the blacks and the Irish.

This is possibly the most stupid thing I've ever seen posted on this forum! How the hell can you compare racism - which, as you obviously need reminding, is prejudice against someone based on their birth place or ethnic origin - with forming an opinion on someone because they [b]CHOOSE[/b] to disfigure themselves???

Do you understand the difference?

Society quite rightly considers it unacceptable to prejudge a person's capability based on their race.

Thankfully, society still (quite rightly) considers it perfectly acceptable for me to decide that a person with tattoos or stretched ears obviously has very different values to me, and very different values than I'd want to reflect upon my business.

I really can't believe anyone would be crass enough, or absolutely mind-blowingly thick enough to even suggest that the 2 are similar! F*****g idiot!

hey you're live on 'singletrack'...please do not swear!

Shibboleth, I don't want to argue with you as we both probably have better things to do with our time however you are saying that you judge people on what they look like, and assume their values. that is a very dubious area to be getting into

its going to prove difficult hence me putting "but that's not always possible"

or even not [b]ever[/b] possible ??

... because I do not like my tattoo

non tattoo bearers are accorded the same privilege 🙂

Tea and medals for everyone.

brilliant summary! Now can you do god ?

"Personally, I think anyone that would disfigure themselves with hackneyed clipart, or mutilate their own ears is completely stoopid."
Define 'stoopid' for me will you? I have a large number of tattoos, all of which I can keep covered when the need arises. I also have degrees in nursing, PSI and CBT. I would suggest, therefore, that I am not stupid, but perhaps not bright enough 'to enjoy a career in a professional communications industry'. By the way, how is the photocopying business these days ? I'm not going to compare your attitude to racism, you just come over as over opinionated with an inflated sense of self.

The podge

That's a bugger. Painful and expensive to sort whichever way you go 😥

One of the reasons I've never had anything done is that my Dad, who is now 80, said to me in my teens that he was very glad he'd never had one, despite the fact he came from a long line of trawlermen and had ample opportunity/temptation when in the army. I think it was his way of 'rebelling' against the norm from his background.

I think it highly unlikely that I will ever get one now, as the only design that has ever interested me is a thistle sprouting out of my arse. One of the few temptations I haven't succumbed to, I'm pleased to say 😉

however you are saying that you judge people on what they look like

actually he's saying potential clients may think that way...

Predujice

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1 preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience:English prejudice against foreigners [count noun] :deep-rooted class prejudices
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dislike, hostility, or unjust behaviour formed on such a basis:accusations of racial prejudice
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2 chiefly Lawharm or injury that results or may result from some action or judgement:prejudice resulting from delay in the institution of the proceedings

Not acceptable at and especially at work and possibly illegal to turn someone down for a job because they have tatoos.

simonfbarnes - or even not ever possible?

no, its not ALWAYS possible. I have avoided people who do not like tattoos on a number of times.

Not acceptable in and possibly illegal to turn someone down for a job because they have tatoos.

but not if you don't actually say that... (pending development of a mind ray)

No he's not Simon, he's repeatedly stated that he thinks people with tattoos are 'stoopid'.

So elaine you still getting that tattoo 😉

Personally, I think anyone that would disfigure themselves with hackneyed clipart, or mutilate their own ears is completely stoopid.

actually he's saying potential clients may think that way...

No he actually [b]IS[/b] judging people.

I have avoided people who do not like tattoos on a number of times.

but you may have just been giving into prejudice when you didn't really know ?

but not if you don't actually say that... (pending development of a mind ray)

Thanks for that Simon that cleared any doubt up.

I can't beleive this has run on for 9 pages! Good reading though.
I thought the 21st century brought on forward thinking and left predujice behind, but obviously not. I must offend a lot of people whilst wearing shorts and t-shirts at work or at home etc. i have tattoo's on my legs, arms, back and neck. Oh, and I also have a flesh tunnel along with a few other piercings. I used to have five piercings down the back of my neck but they grew out. I will have to dig out a pic of that and scan it in for you guys.
I am 42yrs old by the way. I have retrained in a different career, hold NVQ's, City and Guilds in a few subjects etc.

No he actually IS judging people.

but I got the impression his personal feeling wasn't necessarily connected to his business decisions...

I thought the 21st century brought on forward thinking and left prejudices behind

you are clearly delusional

but I got the impression his personal feeling wasn't necessarily connected to his business decisions...

Hard to seperate when they are both the same.

Frig me curly, if having tattoos makes me stupid, how the hell do you manage on a day to day basis? 😉

SFB - you are clearly delusional

shibboleth uses phrases like disfigure/ hackneyed clip art/mutilate

its pretty obvious that he is a very judgemental person, of course like any biggot he maintains hes just reflecting the general opinion of society

to an extent he is right we all judge people and based on things that he has said; I refer once again to the phrase he used earlier

And long may it continue. As long as people judge in this way, there will be opportunities for people disciplined enough to play the game.

i judge him to be a deluded, pompus, biggot,
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simonfbarnes - actually he's saying potential clients may think that way...

Thankfully, society still (quite rightly) considers it perfectly acceptable for [b]me[/b] to decide that a person with tattoos or stretched ears obviously has very different values to [b]me[/b], and very different values than [b]I'd[/b] want to reflect upon [b]my[/b] business.

But hey, lets not get into the fine detail here

but you may have just been giving into prejudice when you didn't really know?

Woody, I'm a bit like your dad I suppose. I guess when I got mine I was rebelling against my family who didn't have tattoos, hence its size and its style, big and bold. Its in the traditional "tramp stamp" lower back so its not something I see every day and so only bothers me a bit. i'm very glad that at the time I didn't get something that I'd see every day

Elaine - in my opinion, go for it! If I may make two suggestions:

1) don't get something small and apologetic - go large! Take your time, find something that is not fashionable (for that which is capable of being in fashion is similarly capable of being out of fashion), find something that fits you and compliments your body and DO IT

2) Without making any kind of social comment, can I point out that in some jobs/situations it is very handy to be able to cover up your tattoo(s)

Also: Tattoo Convention? In London? YES YES YES!

LOL i'll have to tell the counsultant at the hospital I can not see him anymore on accounts of his tattoo he must be stoopid.

Karinofnine speaks some sense in a page otherwise full of pointless guff.

I would in all honesty say that if you have to ask they you probably aren't convinced its a good idea as such its probably not for you at this time.

Discimination while disgusting is a fact of life, I would want someone who does the job etc but I know people who wouldn't employ tats, blacks, women and they themselves come from middle class background.

Shibboleth is right you will be discriminated for having a tatt in some professions/industries while others won't care -its up to the employer/HR/mamager if they are impressed or not.

It is wrong to discriminate but to say it doesn't happen is BS.
Where I work in a established industry/love all around etc and Blacks/Asians and women were the first out during cuts even though they worked harder etc. Pretty disgusted and when I brought it up they said they were making more cuts...so I kept quiet...shame on me.

I don't care what people look like, just their values.

How I've missed you Shibboleth, you are such value for money. 😆

Shibboleth - Member

ton - Member

my md always wears a long sleeved shirt, even in the hotest weather.
never seen him in a short sleeved polo shirt like the rest of us wear.

ton - Member

i think tatoos are very acceptable nowadays, in any walk of life.

I might be missing something blindingly obvious here Ton, but why does he cover them up for work???

Narrow minded customers?

As a businessman, I have to make my business appeal to the widest possible sector of society. I would never lose business becasue a staff member is tattooed or disfigured, but I might if a client took a dislike to the way a member of staff looked.

As a business person, surely it is not a good idea to alienate your tattooed customers by calling them stoopid. As a customer (clients are for professional sevices only) you are certainly losing business because of the way you sound, I couldn't give a f*** what you look like.

Your mind isn't narrow, it's closed and that really is sad in this day and age.

Back to the photocopying old boy!

'kinell, 9 pages! 😆 😆

Pretty disgusted and when I brought it up they said they were making more cuts...so I kept quiet...shame on me.

I just spotted the irony of that statement in light of your forum name........ i'll get my coat (bloody damn tattoos making me type stupid things.................)

Just to clarify, I think that inflicting pain and etching an indelible mark on oneself is stoopid.
I can cite hundreds of cases, many on this thread, where people deeply, bitterly regret getting tattoos. Ergo, risking doing something that so many people before you have done and regretted, is, in my humble opinion, pretty stoopid.

Doing it when it's widely known that it may hamper your career prospects, is pretty stoopid. Doing it thinking that you can change the world's opinion by proving us all wrong, is probably almost "thepodge-like" in its stoopidity.

That's my personal opinion. Yes, Mitch, I'm sure in some ways you're very sensible and capable, but when it comes to bod-mods, I think you're stoopid. I'm very sensible and capable in some way, in others, I'm stoopid. I persist in riding bikes in the stoopid, misguided belief that one day I might be able to go faster than Andy Schleck, in spite of my child-like lungs and low pain threshold.

My professional opinion is that I would never let someone with tattoos represent my business. Because A) I want my staff to share/emulate my values - after all, that is why my clients employ me, and B) I'm very mindful of the fact that visual appearance is VERY important, and I don't want to employ someone who lessens the breadth of their appeal by sporting visible tattoos.

And no, it's not illegal to refuse employment based on the fact that a person has tattoos. In exactly the same way that I'm entitled to refuse employent to someone because I don't like the way they smell.

As a business person, surely it is not a good idea to alienate your tattooed customers by calling them stoopid. As a customer (clients are for professional sevices only) you are certainly losing business because of the way you sound, I couldn't give a f*** what you look like.

Why on earth would I alientate my customers? I'm happy to take money of anyone, whether they be tattooed, ginger, old, ugly, infirm or those that smell bad. ;o)

STUPID

+1 for Kuco

i've got loads, doesnt bother me, ride with them showing and havent had any commments, go out of a weekend and only have positive comments, generally speaking 'who cares?', seriously its no biggie, if people want them, then have them, if people dont want them then ermmmm dont....theres no reason not to have one for peoples perception, most are works of art, if done by good tattoists, and some are just shocking - like tribal tattoos, or bands etc etc etc....

full colour arms are a thing of beauty im not sure how they can be perceived 'chavvy' but what ever floats your boat i guess! theres a huge generation gap on this forum (most sad middle aged blokes 😆 ) that are just set in the ways of life from when it was frowned upon to have one...

honestly you want one, get one, people wont look at your differently as long as its appropiately placed!

Just saw this whilst recapping:

following a blind trend

Tattoos are very popular now and hence a trend. However, before this trend there were still quite a few about, practiced by those who were not trend followers. So those people are still around, no? Therefore, not everyone with a tattoo is following a blind trend, are they? You might as well say everyone with a haircut is a fashion victim, because there are many crap trendy haircuts around.

Personally, I think anyone that would disfigure themselves with hackneyed clipart, or mutilate their own ears is completely stoopid

a) not all tattoos are hackneyed clipart
b) whether or not tattoos are disfiguring is a matter of opinion.

I think some people on here are being extremely unintelligent. A mark of intelligence is the ability to learn. If you don't understand tattooing, then talk to someone who likes it and learn something.

Oh and 9 pages with hardly any pics? Come on guys, let's see your idea of beautiful body art (not necessarily your own).

Ergo, risking doing something that so many people before you have done and regretted, is, in my humble opinion, pretty stoopid

Hehe.. it's clear you just don't understand the area. Time to either open your mind and learn something or stfu.

If you don't understand tattooing

actually, you don't need to understand it unless you're going to do it

let's see your idea of beautiful body art (not necessarily your own).

if you insist I'll post the pic of my arse again but it's just hairy 🙂

Would we tell the difference from your face? 😉

Bloody ell SFB has TJ nicked your login? Wheres your staying power coming from?!!!!

Ergo, risking doing something that so many people before you have done and regretted, is, in my humble opinion, pretty stoopid

this is cool. it's owner is probably a real hardman if a little educationally sub-normal.
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SFB and Shibboleth, if you want to prove you're right about tattooed folk i'd suggest going into the Sportsman pub in Halifax on a Saturday night and announcing in a loud, clear, steady voice "people who have tattoos are stupid". at least you'd be able to tell folk you were right!! Eventually. P.s take this with a pinch of salt, you'd probably just get laughed out of the pub.

Pps had the the Woodman still have been open you could have ridden Stoodley Pike then gone and said it there!!

LOL! Tattoo! So yesterday.

well im liking tomas tomas' stuff at the moment

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would like something similar to this but have to get a very good artist to get it right

SFB and Shibboleth, if you want to prove you're right about tattooed folk

ahem. The only opinion I've expressed about tattooed people was "nice but dim?", which was a joke. I've given up defending part of what old Shib said as he's just nasty. You should not interpret dislike of some tattoos with dislike of the people underneath.

In which case SFB you have my apologies.

would like something similar to this but have to get a very good artist to get it right

I agree those are good, though in fact I suspect the canvasses are largely irrelevant, but how many tattooists can achieve that standard or people can afford it ?

Would we tell the difference from your face?

easy, not much grows on my face :o)

One of my colleagues is one session off completion of this one
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dd.................i do have 5 tattoos mate.
and they are the worst kind you can get, and i hate em.
but that is life innit?.............doing stuff you regret...... 😀

Why not just stick some wallpaper on your body as that might look cool ... LOL!

I can cite hundreds of cases, many on this thread, where people deeply, bitterly regret getting tattoos. Ergo, risking doing something that so many people before you have done and regretted, is, in my humble opinion, pretty stoopid.

Of course, but only hundreds? We can forget all about those who have had tattoos and don't regret it. But that would require a mind.

Doing it when it's widely known that it may hamper your career prospects, is pretty stoopid.

I'll give you a fiver if you tell Samantha Cameron that she's stupid!
And I think she's more successful in business than you.

I was talking to the finacial director of a multi national construction company this morning about this thread and asked him about his attitude about tattoos. Basically he couldn't have cared. I value his opinion over a small businessman. Discrimination and people who discriminate are stupid.

My professional opinion is that I would never let someone with tattoos represent my business.

That's your personal opinion, you are not in a profession, ergo you can't have a professional opinion.
You don't have clients either, customers dude. People misuse client to make themselves sound more important than they really are.

Why on earth would I alientate my customers?

"theres a huge generation gap on this forum (most sad middle aged blokes ) that are just set in the ways of life from when it was frowned upon to have one..."
I've had my tattoos done over a period of thirty years. Some of them look a bit s**t now, but I loved them when I first had them done, and I have good memories, etc, when I think about the person I was at the time of each one. I'm fifty in two months time, and I fully intend to go and see that nice Mr Kirk at Funhouse Tattoos in Barnsley for another one. Stoopid? I'm the only one that can answer that one, to be frank.

I'll give you a fiver if you tell Samantha Cameron that she's stupid!

Already done that. Actually, I said many other ruder things to her, but we were young so I suppose it was OK....! 😉

One of my colleagues is one session off completion of this one

well executed - how is it relevant to the person ?

Photos!!!!!!!!

If someone [s]has a visible tattoo and[/s] expects to enjoy a career in a professional communications industry [s]without it hindering their employment prospects[/s], then they are stoopid.

molgrips - Member
I think some people on here are being extremely unintelligent. A mark of intelligence is the ability to learn. If you don't understand tattooing, then talk to someone who likes it and learn something.

I find this quite amusing, coming as it does from STW's very own village idiot.

There are many things I find abhorrent, and no amount of 'learning', as you put it, is going to change my opinions.

I'm not a fan of child porn, incest or singlespeeding. I fully understand what is involved in all three of those despicable activities, which is why I will never indulge in any!

I find this quite amusing, coming as it does from STW's very own village idiot.

Based on what?

There are many things I find abhorrent, and no amount of 'learning', as you put it, is going to change my opinions.

Yeah, I think we've been here before 🙂

As for child porn - aren't you interested in why people do what they do?

don simon - Member

I'll give you a fiver if you tell Samantha Cameron that she's stupid!

I bet she feels stupid now standing infront of all the international leaders. Bet all of them are calling her first lady of chav. 😆

Ooouuhhh ... look at the British PM wife's tattoo ... ooouuhh ... might be some tribal tattoo of some sort. 😆

One of my colleagues is one session off completion of this one

How dare they, they're professionals report them at once the HPC.

I think Shibboleth is a tool, and very much out of touch with reality, but his business is all about perception management. I expect he'd lose business based on how retarded much of the corporate world is. Which is why it's such a nauseous, cretin rich void.

aren't you interested in why people do what they do?

no, I just want them to stop 🙁

Not acceptable at and especially at work and possibly illegal to turn someone down for a job because they have tatoos.

Depends where they have them. A couple of major UK employers won't take people with tattoos visible above the neck and below the wrist. They are open about that and it is quite legal for them to do so.

How dare they, they're professionals report them at once the HPC.

...based on how retarded much of the corporate world is. Which is why it's such a nauseous, cretin rich void.

this is a forum with obvious feedback (but whoever said " if you have to ask -then having a tattoo its not for you at this time"......?
"im just voicing my thoughts at the moment".... i didnt realize this thread was up for trial ? lol...
people ask alot of questions on here, sorry for asking ????
its been interesting with some good feedback and some cr-p feedback-thats to be expected...
think i,ll go get at least 'half a sleeve' done now... thanks so much for all your pleasant or not so pleasant input... 😉

BTW can i be put to sleep whilst i have it done ? ahahahhah

ton, let's get drunk and have some done. I'll have "ton" in a heart and you can have dd. 🙂

And now at 10 pages, I have ads for UV tattoo ink to my right!!

elaine anne, a word of warning tattoos are addictive,if your going for a half sleeve you can ask the artist if he has any bactine, its a numbing spray. Good luck and show us a picture when its done.

Go for it. Remember you have posted on the cycling equivalent of a Daily Mail discussion forum so hope you're not too disappointed by the lack of refreshing views on this topic.

I have 1 tattoo (on my wrist) and several scars on my body through riding bikes. They are all part of the story of my life and you only get one of those so take it by the horns and it'll give you some exciting bedtime stories to tell your Grandchildren.

Choose something that really means something to you and dont use any 'numbing' creams. The discomfort is all part of the experience (!)

From a successful communications industry professional.

K

hope you're not too disappointed by the lack of refreshing views on this topic.

what would a refreshing view on the ancient art of tattoo be ?

what would a refreshing view on the ancient art of tattoo be

tattooed people have hearts made of jelly and fairy dust... I believe they are where electricity comes from..

Like it actually