[Closed] TANKS!

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If I had one of these I would call it Der FlussbarschPanzer.

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I've just discovered [url= http://www.armortek.co.uk ]Armortek.[/url]

Holy Shit! 🙂

I can't afford to order anything substantial, but these are stupendous. British engineering, too.

Worth having a look on the forum at the build threads.

[quote=perchypanther ]If I had one of these I would call it Der FlussbarschPanzer.

Not the PerchyPanzer then?

Then, the shelling started to creep down the hill towards us, and Milligan stopped playing didn’t he? And Milligan packed up his trumpet and ran like bloody hell towards the wadi.
“Come back here you windy bugger,” shouted Sherwood.
“Windy buggers don’t come back,” I shouted.
I returned later. Jock Webster came back on his belly.
“I didna like thart,” he said, “I might ha got killed goin’ up there.”
“That was the idea,” I said. The phone buzzed. I listened in.
O.P.:
Action Left, Target! Tanks!
G.P.:
Action Left, Target! Tanks!
I had never seen the real thing, so I scrambled up to the O.P. trench. Without binoculars the tanks on the plain looked like toys moving at snail’s pace. Our shells were landing short, the tanks were at extreme range, and moving across our line of fire. After about twenty rounds the tanks had made cover behind a hillock to our left and the fire ceased. With that I crawled back to the Carrier, “What happened?” asked Sherwood. “Tanks,” I said. The effect was electric. “Tanks?” he said sitting bolt upright. “How many?”
“Millions,” I said. “In fact, Tanks a Million.”

Not the PerchyPanzer then?

Yes. Exactly. 😉

Yes it's a Tank post but..... These are just awesom in a Tank Killing of way!!

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I helped with the filming of the Challenger 2 bits of this programme:

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Had some fun there for sure.

The German tank development programme in WW2 shows some of the classic project management mistakes.

The Panther was originally supposed to be about 25 - 30t in weight but ended up at 45t. This was the root cause of a lot of the reliability problems that greatly reduced it's availability. The planned maintenance schedule for the drivetrain was ridiculous.

After they encountered the T34 some of the engineers just wanted to basically copy it and produce loads of them quickly. Good job they didn't, WW2 may have had a different ending.

Cruising around town today.

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gobuchul - Member

The German tank development programme in WW2 shows some of the classic project management mistakes.

"Ve vill call zis panzer ze Hinkley C! Its name vill cause terror for EIN HUNDRED YEARS!"

The one they were all scared of, but a bit hard to miss with all that high vis cammo

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And for a size comparison, Megatron vs Big Brute

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If you fancy a Tank then the Normandy tank museum is closing and auctioning off all the exhibits, most of the Tanks are in working order! Tigers/Sherman's, DUCK etc

Oh they've also got an 88!

Nice photos Count Zero, where were they taken, is it the AFV wing at the Defence Academy??

There really needs to be some kind of league table. Between them these tanks must have killed millions of people, but which one is really the best?

I'd say the best would be the one that stopped the conflict they were involved in the quickest.

Although, those Singaporeans have some cool looking kit!

but which one is really the best?

I'd say the best would be the one that stopped the conflict they were involved in the quickest.

<buzzz> Israeli Centurion, Golan Heights

Or maybe a T-34? Effectively suppressing uprisings all over Europe for decades. Awesome 🙂

Although, those Singaporeans have some cool looking kit!

I love the Leopard, they have as many as the British army too! All to defend a piddly little island.

[i]It was just before dawn
One miserable morning in black 'forty four
When the forward commander
Was told to sit tight
When he asked that his men be withdrawn
And the Generals gave thanks
As the other ranks held back
The enemy tanks for a while
And the Anzio bridgehead
Was held for the price
Of a few hundred ordinary lives

And old King George
Sent Mother a note
When he heard that father was gone.
It was, I recall, In the form of a scroll
With gold leaf and all
And I found it one day
In a drawer of old photographs hidden away
And my eyes still grow damp to remember
His Majesty signed
With his own rubber stamp

It was dark all around
There was frost in the ground
When the tigers broke free
And no one survived
From the Royal Fusiliers Company C
They were all left behind
Most of them dead
The rest of them dying
And that's how the High Command
Took my daddy from me[/i]

Roger Waters

When the tigers broke free, quite a song that.

The later Panzers used twice as much fuel as the allied tanks and its predessors. A key fact in its range and forward deployment in the Latter stages of the war...

Then there was the Panzerjager Tiger, or Elefant as it was later known. Designed by Dr Ferdinand Porche

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Not many were made, and, at 65 tons, not the most practical of tanks, either.
Oh, and it was a hybrid! Petro-electrical, two Maybach engines into a single generator powering a pair of electric motors which drove the rear sprockets. Sprockets had to be replaced every 500km, and the fuel consumption was horrendous -
0.11 km/l (909 litres/100 km) off road and 0.15 km/l (667 litres/100 km) on road at a maximum speed of 10 km/h off road and 30 km/h on road.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant

The Elefant was exceptionally crap in many respects - not least it broke down like it was made by British Leyland and they forgot to put a machine gun on it, so it was a sitting duck for infantry ( who could almost out-run it ).

Sturmtiger:

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... for when you have to make sure.

( and yes, they were almost certainly as little use as the Elefant, but they are more betterer )

cranberry - Member

The Elefant was exceptionally crap in many respects - not least it broke down like it was made by British Leyland and they forgot to put a machine gun on it, so it was a sitting duck for infantry ( who could almost out-run it ).

Yeah, but bear in mind what it was- Porsche made a load of chassis for their Tiger-equivalent, which were sat around getting dusty after they didn't get the contract, so they all got re-engineered into Ferdinands and then Elefants. It was always an ersatz design and the first version (Ferdinand) was a total rush job. And for all that, it was pretty bloomin effective at Kursk.

I went to Polish army museum in Warsaw last week, loads of old Soviet kit like this:
IS-3 with a T-34 in the background.
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German Hetzer
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Werent sturmtigers a siege weapon? They reused wrecked tiger chassis the armament varied. I read they were highly effective at levelling entire blocks in the Warsaw uprising.

I was always under the mistaken belief that one advantage that the German tanks held over the Sherman was diesel vs petrol engines - and therefore a lower propensity to burn (as per S-Boot vs MTB)

But it seems that the T34 claims this accolade, not the Panzers. Who the hell thought a petrol engine would be a good idea in a tank 😐

And that Sherman engine - WTF...?

I watched Fury last night so I'm all about the tanks right now! 🙂

Here's a photo of me preparing to stop the Allied invasion of Normandy in 1944

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And here is a better photo of the tank I used to do it (a Tiger):

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King Tiger Jigsaw anyone?

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Our local museum is pretty cool.. local to Oerlikon so has an extensive collection of their stuff on the top floor. A lot of the tanks and vehicles are run in the summer

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My personal favourite, which would be great fun using in the Rhine..

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been enjoying watching a 6'6'' ex tanker getting in and out of various tanks

When I was little my mum used to nip around in a VW beetle, vividly remember we came round a corner of a narrow lane in Pembrokeshire to be confronted by are end of a huge German tank slap bang in the road.

My great uncle was apparently one of the first British soldiers to come up against one of these in Italy in 1944. He and his mates ran back to report on the Germans having some sort of "battleship with tracks" up ahead, got arrested for leaving their post then promptly released when loads of other people started reporting more or less the same thing. He said from a hole in the ground it seemed impossibly big and sure to be certain death if they stayed where they were.

Local lad had a similar encounter with lesser tanks,

http://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/feature/jefferson/Frankjeffersonvc.htm

The local story is that he was pissed up and sleeping it off when the tanks turned up, pissed or not still a brave man

Germans were better at this because the 88mm sounds like an instrument of precision and deadliness where as a 17 pounder sounds like a lump of mutton. Obvious innit.

alway having to be different, bloody swedes 🙂

Used to live near Barnbow Leeds in the late 70's mid 80's, as a nipper would ride bikes down the side road, and watch the Chieftans/Challengers getting final tests, over huge concrete ramps and ditches.
Best bit was watching the huge tank low loaders,leaving the factory,tanks loaded under tarps,and squeezing down Austhorpe rd

with respect to Atlaz's grandfather, in 1944, we didn't have the internet, newspapers didn't, or very rarely had pictures in them, soldiers were young and hadn't spent several years touring all the facilities available to military commanders of the day. With this in mind, it is totally feasible that they had never seen, or considered the existence of tanks.

With this in mind, it is totally feasible that they had never seen, or considered the existence of tanks.

No it isn't.