Thread killer.
I really doubt any speculation on a cycling forum would have any bearing whatsoever on such a case.
Possibly not but the owners can get in a lot of trouble.
The thread can still carry on.
We need more signs in our life!!
If I was the forensic guy I’d be looking for chips of the sycamore gap tree under the clutch cover of his chainsaw or in his boots/ (chainsaw) trouser pockets.
The penalty for damaging a scheduled monument is max 2 yrs or unlimited fine.
some of you are watching too many tv forensics shows. When I was assaulted(by a farmer who tore my videocam off it’s handlebar mount and smashed it on the ground, the police refused to test it for fingerprints on the grounds that the camera wasn’t high value. Then they said they couldn’t prosecute because they had no evidence. They’re hardly going to throw resources at a tree worth zero. Best they’ll hope for is a confession or someone coming forward with more information.
Did your assault cause a national furore with demands for action from senior politicians? You'd be surprised how motivating that can be for Chief Constables.
Which is probably why they've gone and seen if there's even a scratch on the wall, because it opens up more popular charging options.
The police themselves have reported forensics teams being present.
Forensic evidence will easily tie the suspects to the location. If you go anywhere, there'll be a bit of you at the scene, and bit of the scene on you.
Additional evidence will link the chain saw to the damage, having the saw in your possession, etc etc, it all builds into a case that will be argued about in court.
Forensic evidence will easily tie the suspects to the location. If you go anywhere, there’ll be a bit of you at the scene, and bit of the scene on you.
Locard's exchange principle; the original silent witness. But when were they at the location? School trip the week before?
It's one thread in a gazillion that need to be drawn together
Locard’s exchange principle; the original silent witness. But when were they at the location? School trip the week before?
Sawdust wasn’t there the week before, nor were the fresh footprints or the chainsaw teeth marks that match the cut of the suspect’s saw.
They’re hardly going to throw resources at a tree worth zero
Value is probably not important, what it comes down to is what they choose to allocate resources too. And you can bet they're allocating loads to this.
Back to CSI: Twice Brewed.
Surely it would be CSI: Once Brewed?
Hadrian’s Wall was built using a primitive form of concrete<br /><br />
second point of order. It wasn’t primitive, it was hydraulic. You could mix it and it would go off underwater, or the pi$$ing Northumberland rain.
Sawdust wasn’t there the week before, nor were the fresh footprints or the chainsaw teeth marks that match the cut of the suspect’s saw
You're assuming that anything that links suspect to scene was found at all.
My chainsaw was stolen but I found it in the field nearby, etc... One thread in a gazillion
Surely it would be CSI: Once Brewed?
Depends which way you come at it.
second point of order. It wasn’t primitive, it was hydraulic. You could mix it and it would go off underwater, or the pi$$ing Northumberland rain.
I bow to your more concrete understanding.
You’re assuming that anything that links suspect to scene was found at all.
I’m not, just pointing out what they may be looking for.
My chainsaw was stolen but I found it in the field nearby, etc… One thread in a gazillion
And it just happened to have sawdust from the sycamore on it.
“Did your assault cause a national furore with demands for action from senior politicians? You’d be surprised how motivating that can be for Chief Constables.”
Can you hazard a guess what the consequences will be for anyone at any level in the police if they fail to bring anyone to book? Or how many shits they will give?
It's being chopped up and removed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67077617
two more folk arrested
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/01/two-men-arrested-felling-sycamore-gap-tree
Whittling down the suspects. Eventually they’ll make the charges stick. One will bough to pressure and the crown prosecution service will bring the sap to book etc.......
Anyone else sycamore updates?
Anyone else sycamore updates?
I thought they’d caught the bloak what done it? Needs his hide tannin
😂😂. According to the hopeful romanticists, it'll be back to it's full glory soon🙄. I did larf at some sap placing a bunch of (now dead) flowers on the stump 🫤
According to the hopeful romanticists, it’ll be back to it’s full glory soon
It might be on whatever TicToc channel you follow; meanwhile, back in the real world it will almost certainly carry on growing, and producing new growth, but it will never be exactly the same, for reasons that should be obvious.
I truly fail to understand why people would do this. 🤷🏼
its a sycamore. almost impossible to kill. It will regrow several trunks from the stump. trim back to one and it will grow into a tree again. Thats what sycamores do. Its often done deliberately with trees to provide firewood without killing the tree. Coppicing its called when deliberate
Yes it will take a while to regrow into a mature tree but it will regrow
They should allow it coppice then plait all the new growth together for as long as possible
I did larf at some sap placing a bunch of (now dead) flowers on the stump 🫤
Yeah, probably one of them saps who'd scattered a loved ones ashes there and for whom the tree held enormous emotional significance, lolz..
There was national mourning in Japan when we lived there over a famous 500y old ginkgo tree that was blown over in a storm one night (just after we walked past it).
As well as the roots sprouting, they stood up a section of trunk and I think even that’s started to grow again too.
It will regrow several trunks from the stump. trim back to one and it will grow into a tree again.
We had a massive Hawthorne (+2' girth in Shetland) in our garden that finally blew over and had to be cut up. The next year there were loads shoots 4' tall that we thinned out, the following year they were several of a good thickness and about 6-7' when we left. Hopefully whoever's there now is looking after it.
It's really really shit what happened, but it will regrow. Sycamore grow like weeds really and in a woodland I managed we had to take 8 mature ones out a year in favour of native and less invasive species.
The national park guy on countryfile said they'll be protecting regrowth from grazing, and taking it from there, so I'm sure something will grow back, but it'll take some time and won't be in its original iconic form.
Anyone else sycamore updates?
How long you been holding onto that one? 😛
Back in my Biomass days, a forester once told me sycamores are the 'weeds' of the forestry industry. It'll coppice and be back, different but the same sycamore.
edit - same as what longdog said actually.
No pun intended but bring back the birch and teach them a lesson, much cheaper for public finances
Does the IOM still do it ?
According to the hopeful romanticists, it’ll be back to it’s full glory soon
No one claimed soon but it will rapidly grow, it’s what sycamores do and they often coppice them.
How long you been holding onto that one?
Soon as I read the post I responded to.
Our neighbours have 3 massive sycamores.
Their seeds get everywhere and sprout incredibly quickly.
The leaves make an absolute mess.
At least we know they aren’t Irish.
The older of the 2 has had a lot of his life posted online by the Mail... No comment on possible motive though.
If found guilty, what would be a suitable punishment for these two pricks?
Good god time fly's by. Didn't realise this was last October
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If found guilty, what would be a suitable punishment for these two pricks?
Stocks and free rotten eggs/veg for the public to throw at them... or community service in some sort of conservation setting.
If found guilty, what would be a suitable punishment for these two pricks?
More than they will get.
The incident seems to have awoken (temporarily, at least) a realisation that not enough is done to prevent and deter acts like this. However they will be charged in accordance with the laws in force at the time.
Are there any precedents?
Or to take it to extreme, what could you be charged with for demolishing Tower Bridge or a cathedral etc. ?
Practically to hurt someone like this, I'd have them barred for life from holding any licenses for tree work, being a member of any forestry related organisation, and from owning any chainsaw or similar equipment.
Criminal damage.
Are there any precedents?
Criminal damage to the tree and also the additional offence of damaging a historic monument since it hit the wall.
Or to take it to extreme, what could you be charged with for demolishing Tower Bridge or a cathedral etc. ?
In those cases I expect counter terrorism laws about bombs and putting all the passerby lives at risk.
Could this be classed as destruction of cultural heritage? There are international laws for this both in and out of conflict, but in UK law I can only see references to conflict.
