white, middle class IT managers, complaining that an ancient expression could potentially be offensive, to someone somewhere.
id just like to point out I’m a white working class sales manager with a black wife and mixed race children if it makes you feel less outraged.
And yes, I’ve experienced racism being thrown at her, my kids and me for me being with them, so have some experience to speak from.
As you were.
I'm really missing the like button on this thread.
Only if it is contested – thats how Sunak got it – a coronation not a contest
And that worked out well for them. Does the present Tory party look like it’s in the mood for a coronation? I’m going to go for the opposite of a coronation…
Rats in a sack
If its a contest that goers to the membership it will go to the whitest person in the contest no matter how useless- Like how Truss got the leadership rather than Sunak.
The pot calling the kettle black - dates from a 1620 translation of Don Quixote and became common in the mid 1720s. There is no racist intent in the phrase. To claim there is I think is a sad reflection of our internet society, of looking for offence and to be offended, argument ensues usually filled by such terms as woke and snowflake etc.
If its a contest that goers to the membership it will go to the whitest person in the contest no matter how useless- Like how Truss got the leadership rather than Sunak.
I think that's a bit one-dimensional and short sighted. The "racist pensioners of Eastbourne" that vote for Tory leaders are the same ones that selected Badenoch, Patel, Sunak, Braverman etc to be candidates in their home constituencies, despite most of those places not being very diverse.
Richmond (Yorks) is 98% white. If I'm reading the figures properly and he lives in the town itself, then the Sunak nuclear family is 10% of the entire town's Asian population and 66% of its Hindu population! Point being If the Tory constituency membership were so unabashedly racist, they wouldn't have selected Sunak at all.
https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/yorkshireandthehumber/north_yorkshire/E63000382__richmond/
PCA - I correctly predicted Truss would get it over Sunak purely based on the racism that is a thread thru the membership. I still say the same. If there is a white and a non white candidate goes to the membership then it will be the white person.
There is no racist intent in the phrase. To claim there is I think is a sad reflection of our internet society, of looking for offence and to be offended,
Good job Kryton did not say that then
That’s a potentially insensitive choice of phrase, that we could do without.
Now drop it please chaps. Kryton is one of the few on here with real experience of this.
There is no racist intent in the phrase. To claim there is I think is a sad reflection of our internet society.
You should read back properly. No one including me claimed the sentence or Binners was racist. I pointed out that it could be insensitive in the context - comparing two people of colour. Yes, maybe we live in hypersentive times, but we also live in times where we can be and should be empathetic and considerate with our fellows regardless of their ethnicity, colour, gender etc.
It should be obvious to you that recent history has been atrociously opposite, therefore I don’t believe people who have achieved rightful equality after decades (if not centuries) of struggle should easily defer to ignorance, especially where that can then be subject to correction or education.
If there is a white and a non white candidate goes to the membership then it will be the white person
Why does that only apply to the leadership selection and not selection at constituency level, then? Presumably all the BAME MPs in the Tory Party would have had plenty of white opponents for selection - and yet they won.
"presumably" I have no idea actually - do you? maybe the racists are in pockets, maybe they are mainly single candidates, We do not know
What we do know is when the leadership was put to the membership they chose a clearly incompetent white woman over a plausibly competent brown man. Its not a stretch to attribute than to racism
Suella is worried the tories will become 'centralist cranks'.
At she has found a common cause with some on here ???
Centralists are why we can't have nice things.
EDIT - the random question marks were smiley faces when I typed the post...
TJ, (and other haters of the racist pensioners of Eastbourne)
You do realise that Badenock was the most popular candidate amongst the members but was prevented from being in the final two offered up to the membership via the initial selection process?
As usual, you're not even wrong.
A lot of the lefties on here need to take a good look at themselves
So the polls said - but would they have actually voted for her when push comes to shove? Personally I doubt it
Thats the process - the MPs select two to go to the membership and they knew she was too batshit to make a decent leader. Or was that racism amongst the MPs?
Braverman is the stand in host on LBC on Wednesday (or Tuesday - can't remember) for James O'Brien. Should be interesting!
Chosen subjects for discussion: firing immigrants into the sun… yes or no?
Correct we didn't get a choice.
“presumably” I have no idea actually – do you?
From memory Sunak had no opposition when piloted in to Richmond? Don’t think the locals had a choice?
Businessman Rishi Sunak has been selected as the Conservative candidate to vie for William Hague's North Yorkshire seat at the general election...Around 200 party supporters chose Mr Sunak from a shortlist of four at a meeting in the constituency earlier.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-29674728.amp
As an aside, apparently the voters of Eastbourne are so elderly, racist and bigoted that they recently elected...a 31 year old gay, black British man to represent them in Parliament, while the combined Tory/Reform vote dropped by 10%! Stereotypes, eh, who'd have em?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastbourne_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
the present Tory party look like it’s in the mood for a coronation
if the current parliament is 5 years, that’s 260 weeks. With 120 MPs, why don’t they let them all have a fortnight each?
You joke, but given their recent track record of changing leaders while in government, whoever gets to inherit the poisoned chalice from Rishi in opposition is probably on borrowed time from day one. They could potentially get through a good few leaders before the next election
My money is on Tugendhat or Mordunt
You joke, but given their recent track record of changing leaders while in government, whoever gets to inherit the poisoned chalice from Rishi in opposition is probably on borrowed time from day one. They could potentially get through a good few leaders before the next election
They should just draw straws once a month, would save a lot of time and effort! 😀
My money is on Tugendhat or Mordunt
Unless there’s a by-election asap, Mordaunt hasn’t much chance.
My money is on Tugendhat or Mordunt
Mordaunt lost her seat so either she would need to be ennobled or one of the current survivors would need to be persuaded to resign. So I would suggest you dont put your money on her.
Sunak lives some distance from Richmond, he was opposed when dropped in mainly by a Local Councillor who eventually ran as an independent. There was significant racism locally, some was very unpleasant.
Locally for a rural area there is a wide range of folks including Gurkhas and others from Catterick Garrison.
Tangent alert, bag to the pot/kettle.
had a ponder on the dog walk about this. I was initially of the view that it just refers to the sootyness/ material of the cooking implements. I also spoke to my brother in law (Spanish) who studied Cervantes as part of his degree.
The actual phrase is not quite pot/ kettle more pan/ saucepan and a reference to “black eyes”.
Although it doesn’t appear to be rascist, given the Spanish try to wipe the memory of the Moorish control (from the Inquisition onwards) could there be a reason that colour was chosen over any other. Could just as well say “the sky calling the sea blue”?
is it more than a coincidence that unfavourable connotations are afforded to black- black sheep of the family, black dog, blackballing?
My money is on Tugendhat or Mordunt
One isn’t an MP any more. The other is far too sane to be elected by the present bunch of headbangers that make up the Tory party.
Of course, they’ll elect an absolute nutter, the question is which one. The party has already reached the conclusion that they lost because they weren’t right wing enough. Tugendhat has no chance!
I expect the first round to involve pretty much every Tory MP that’s left, including Cruella
It’s almost a shame that Liz Truss lost her seat as she’d make the perfect Leader of the Opposition.
I reckon that they'll do similar to last time, make the required number of supporters high enough to rule out the majority, ie Cruella. (Badenoch isn't that popular either). Agreed with you though Binners that it's an absolute poison chalice, hence Hunt ruling himself out. I can't see the next leader still being in place for the next GE. Certainly can't see the next leader as PM. Jenrick or Badenoch for me, maybe Tugdenhat.
I think a better question might be - 'who will be the next conservative prime minister?'
I mean, there will be one. But it won't, i'm pretty confident, be any of the current leadership potentials. And realistically i think itll have to be someone who isn't tainted by the brexit/culture war/austerity pong. So they might not even be an mp yet.
I'm not quite that hopeful @kormoran!
Hunt? I'm not sure who the 'bright new things are'. Laura Trott? Yeah I doubt it'll be her.
Mordaunt lost her seat so either she would need to be ennobled or one of the current survivors would need to be persuaded to resign.
I think they would do that to get her in. I mean she does have good hair and can hold a sword
I don't think they will go for one of the zoomers. They get a lot of air time but I think the daftest elements in the party are no longer so represented as MPs and as the MPs select who goes to the membership I think they will nobble the nutters before it gets to the membership
Well Victoria Atkinson is apparently being touted. Yes, really. A woman who, when doing the morning media round, looks like she’s been out clubbing all night and pushed on through
Am I right in thinking it went Hague, IDS and then Howard prior to Cameron?
I can't remember if any of those 3 were considered 'serious' offers to the voting public. Obviously we can rule out IDS as serious, but the other two?
I suppose in the face of Blair and new labour they were futile gestures, especially at the end of 18 yes 18 years of conservative horror. There was no way the electorate was going back to that.
She really doesn't seem to understand the principle of people (in this case LBC) giving somebody enough rope, does she?
I'm sure that the headbangers who love her, will continue to love her when she advocates mining the channel or straffing small boats with Spitfires, but anyone sane will recoil in horror from the absolutely vile woman
Quite funny listening to her struggling defend her views on LBC at the moment. The callers are pretty top notch, not sure her team expected that.
Some of the big hitters should call in.
Check out Suella describing on LBC how she went to Italy to see the wall they've built along border with Turkiye. And its got loads of soldiers and scary armoured vehicles and death lasers and allsorts.
Then check out a map of Italy and Turkey...
