You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
My exact words were :
Personally I suspect that it was just an innocent oversight on your part
It doesn't really sound as if I am accusing you of being a racist does it?
The irony is that you are accusing others of false conclusions!
It’s too early for popcorn… Crumpets, anyone?
Cornflakes are just flat popcorn. Makes you think…
I quote often shorten the term, esp when the kids are squabbling with each other to
”pot, kettle?” Or “Mr pot, say hello to Miss kettle”.
if the origin of the term is due to blackening with soot or more likely that both were made from cast iron & had a blackened coating do we need an updated version so no offence could be applied?
pwrhaps
”it’s like the Gaggua espresso machine calling then Dualit toaster stainless steel”?
Anyway, back on track, doesn’t recent polling put Pritti ahead amongst party members, so we’re likely to see her as leader?
Isn’t that sexiest to refer to someone as a “delicate flower” &’post a picture of a female looking slightly startled ?
I think that it is a reference to binners's endless ridicule of others on here. One of his favourite is to accuse those on the left of him (which is quite a few people) on here of having "soiled their petticoats".
I have no idea where he got that from, it's probably something that he read in a column by Richard Littlejohn, it fits in with Littlejohn's crass "humour"
”it’s like the Gaggia espresso machine calling then Dualit toaster stainless steel”?
OK - we have now reached peak middle class woke acceptability. Everything from here on is downhill 🙂
Oh dear, is it any wonder Reform is on the rise.
Does this mean any phrase or saying which includes reference to the colour black or brown is now off limits, I assume the same applies to white and yellow?
There's plenty of overt inequality, victimisation and bigotry out there and on here without having to go looking for it.
I'm off to ride my bike, suggest some of you do the same.
Of course it bloody is! You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
Get over yourself, FFS. You're just being asked to think about not using a particular phrase. No need to get all Daily Mail about it.
Anyway, back on track,
Nice try.
doesn’t recent polling put Pritti ahead amongst party members, so we’re likely to see her as leader?
I don’t think they’ve even decided what the rules will be yet. So we don’t know if her name will ever go in front of the members.
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I think you mean sexist not sexiest 🙂
I think they were right first time 😉
Does this mean any phrase or saying which includes reference to the colour black or brown is now off limits, I assume the same applies to white and yellow?
No, that would be a flamboyant Faragesque emotive over-reaction. People can say what they want - all that's happening here is people are being asked to be mindful of others.
Oh dear, is it any wonder Reform is on the rise.
The ONLY reason this has caused such a fuss is because of binners reaction, there is no other reason.
Bill seemed to have interpreted binners comment as a little joke about both women being black, kryton tactfully suggested that it was probably not the best phrase to use, and predictably binners erupted into a mega strop because, despite dishing it out on a daily basis, he personally is hypersensitive.
Edit: Binners reaction could have been "oh yeah, hadn't thought of that - good point !" And that would have been the end of it.
Is that TJ ? ^
Amazing what a haircut can do, has taken 30 years off him.
Anyway, back on track, doesn’t recent polling put Pritti ahead amongst party members, so we’re likely to see her as leader?
The stuff that I've seen has Badenoch easily in the lead, Jenrick and Patel joint second.
Choice of language is very important - whether sentiment is right or not the way things are said can escalate or de-escalate while saying 'the same thing'.
Some of the other posters might also think on that.
This thread is crazy.
I have never heard so much nonsense - white, middle class IT managers, complaining that an ancient expression could potentially be offensive, to someone somewhere.
I do wonder what many posters on here would think about themselves if they could read their content through someone else's eyes?
For the record, I think Binners over reacted but also that plenty of the responses were just they type of thing that 'proves' the anti woke idiots are correct (in their own head), which does no one any favours.
Just had a read of the last couple of pages.... what a load of nonsense. Do so many of you go through life debating this kind of thing.
Is that TJ ? ^
That was exactly the picture I had in my head too. Makes you think ™
I have never heard so much nonsense – white, middle class IT managers, complaining that an ancient expression could potentially be offensive, to someone somewhere.
This. Many on here have never been the subject of racism - I have, through school and the work place. Only the other day one of the juniors described our ERP system as having a bit of a paddy.
I do wonder what many posters on here would think about themselves if they could read their content through someone else’s eyes?
I'd probably think I was a massive throbber. But to be fair I think that already.
Many on here have never been the subject of racism – I have, through school and the work place. Only the other day one of the juniors described our ERP system as having a bit of a paddy.
Is there a reliable source to show that "paddy" in the sense you mean it is derived from the nickname for Irish people? Reliable meaning a rigorous etymology rather than some toss on the Internet.
Just catching up on what I've missed over the last 24 hours and I'm now in a state of anxiety!
Please, please, please can somebody educate me with an acceptable replacement for "THAT" phrase which I have been ignorantly using all my life?
I’m offended by proxy.
*Actually I’m not. Two pages FFS!
Jeezus, is this still rattling along?.... "political thread comes to a standstill because binners is massively offended shocker"
Let's get back to ridiculing Suella Braverman, led by binners of course.
What's the latest daft thing she's said?
“political thread comes to a standstill because binners is massively offended shocker”
To a limited extent, to greater extent by the self righteous pile on from a range of posters desperate to have a go at Binners because he wouldn't cave in the left wing on here during the election period.
Tolerance goes both ways, there are so many groups in our society that can potentially take offence at someone else's use of language it's impossible to avoid theoretically offending someone (which is what has supposedly happened here). Maybe we just take what people say at face value for now and stop looking for offence where there is none intended.
This thread is a good STW example of one of the far rights recruitment tactics.
Please, please, please can somebody educate me with an acceptable replacement for “THAT” phrase which I have been ignorantly using all my life?
He could have said "...which was a bit rich..." In the context of one RW Tory apparently labeling another as "mental".
But hey it looks like 2 pages of thread derailment were the preferred route TBH.
Back on topic (sort of) I can actually see Cruella jumping to Reform, she's ridden the hard-right Tory bandwagon in parliament longer then most of her peers, many of whom are now off making their fortunes with think-tanks and RW media trying to Sculpt the narrative and line their pockets for the next decade. It's worth remembering Reform is still more of a business with a political wing than an actual party, she doesn't have to be in power to wield (and sell) influence over the headbangers, but the opportunity to do so is a time sensitive one...
A jump of party gets her back in the headlines again, and so long as she doesn't outshine Nigel she gets to play as a bigger fish in a smaller pond. There's every chance the Tories will at some point in the next 5 years start trying to appear sane and moderate, at which time Cruella will find herself increasingly gagged. Reform on the other hand welcome poorly considered bigoted statements that get their members in the press... It's kind of her natural home now.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/will-suella-braverman-join-reform-defection-379368/
The whispers have been doing the rounds over the last 48 hours, after internal party polling show just how unpopular Suella finds herself amongst her colleagues. It’s understood that she would struggle to rally enough support to even get onto the leadership ballot.
Throwing a “paddy”, it’s completely obvious where that comes from.
The English have a bit of history of stereotyping the Irish.
The Scots too. Probably worse per capita in Scotland, actually, considering the strength of the Orange Lodge and religiously segregated schooling there.
Braverman has no chance of becoming leader. It was always a long shot, but of the remaining Tory MPs, enough are moderate enough to not want her.
I think pushing for a bye-election if she defects is pretty hard though. No precedent for it as far as I'm aware? Probably be a good coup initially for Reform, but she'll just be yet another toxic MP more interested in GB news and popular conservative style grifting side gigs.
I think pushing for a bye-election if she defects is pretty hard though. No precedent for it as far as I’m aware?
Oh there are definitely precedents, but from politicians with some integrity, so that probably rules Braverman out.
It is important to pressurise her to face a by-election though as her inevitable refusal will simply further discredit her
If she does join reform how will that sit with the racist ethos of the party? Farage is an unrepentant if hidden racist. Many of its candidates were openly racist, much of its voter base is racist.
I cannot see it actually working even tho Braverman is also clearly racist
As for a byelection? Not a chance. Plenty of precedent for not having one and no way to force one
I’ve just had a look and my fiver bet on Braverman as next Tory leader has a cash out of 73p, which I think I’ll take
According to the bookies, Badanoch has been a shoe in at 2/1for about a year now. But then Sunak was the same and I stuck a fiver on Truss at 9/1 and that paid out nicely
Remember that the final decision doesn’t lie with the MPs, it lies with the racist pensioners of Eastbourne and they’re all quite… well… racist
I can see it ending up being Jenrick because, when push comes to shove, they’ll opt for the chinless, pin-striped, middle-aged white bloke every time
I think pushing for a bye-election if she defects is pretty hard though. No precedent for it as far as I’m aware?
There is no mechanism for pushing for a byelection if someone switches party.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless both did choose to trigger a byelection when they defected from the tories to UKIP.
They were unusual in doing so though.
No chance of a by-election... we've had MPs sitting as independents or in different parties to the one they were elected under as a matter of course for a while now. She can always wait for a crunch moment where the Conservative party message can be said to have moved since the election, and then claim that her defection or resignation from the party is because it is the party that is not respecting the wishes of her voters, rather than her.
Remember that the final decision doesn’t lie with the MPs, it lies with the racist pensioners of Eastbourne and they’re all quite… well… racist
Only if it is contested - thats how Sunak got it - a coronation not a contest
It will be Mordunt or Tugenat
Unlikely to be Mordaunt now!
Tugendhat if they are smart, and I think he is emerging as the favourite
If she does join reform how will that sit with the racist ethos of the party? Farage is an unrepentant if hidden racist.
Their racism is fairly flexible when there's a benefit to the party, sorry I mean business.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd11xxn833yo.amp
Only if it is contested – thats how Sunak got it – a coronation not a contest
But that’s under the current process. MPs whittle it down (to 2?) then party members vote.
I think the 1922 cttee can propose/set up a revised format. Some of the criticism of the current system is that an MP popular with members could get voted out by MPs before it gets to the member vote. That may be a good thing, tho, given “ racist pensioners of Eastbourne ”.
