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I'm beginning to feel sorry* for Saints...
* Nah, not really. 😀
Where should I be watching this...(cough,email in profile,cough)
Check your twitter duckie.
I'm on drakulastream.
How does the Saints try-scorer* get away without a red card there? 😕
*Fats Waller
Who the hell is reffing this? Has he done it before?
Good job he doesn't know what he's doing, that should have been a red card against the Saints.
How does the Saints try-scorer* get away without a red card there?
Knock for knock.
Good job he doesn't know what he's doing, that should have been a red card against the Saints.
You're at least a game late.
Knock for knock.
😀
Is that in the laws then?
You're at least a game late.
No, don't think so.
No, don't think so.
Actually you are. That comment was towards the bath game.
Is that in the laws then?
Yeah, somewhere at the back I think. 😉
I'd be surprised if Waller isn't cited.
So...not a good day for the EP. Looked like a massive gulf between ASM and Saints. Not such a big difference between Leinster and Bath, though I felt Leinster never quite got into top gear. Same teams in the Rec might have been a different result. Any hope for English teams tomorrow?
DD, you look great! Have you been working out? Thanks, fella.
Actually you are. That comment was towards the bath game.
Fair enough. You posted it after Clermont had scored plenty of points but that didn't take them too long, I suppose. 😆
Ha ha saints scum humiliated 😆 makes you fell all warm inside.
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(worth "retweeting" IMO, but doesn't really sound like "scum" to me)
I have a feeling Saracens will win today but Wasps wont.
Northampton player deliberately breaks an opponents arm, banned for 6 months, Northampton bleat that the sanction is to harsh and instead of ridding the game of a thug keep him, pay him and play him. Scum utter scum
come on leinster, beat the posh ****s!
Ha ha saints scum humiliated makes you fell all warm inside.
A couple of pages back the English posters were being hounded for making anti Welsh/Irish comments. Distasteful.
Dan happily ignoring my reason for calling Northampton scum. 😆 what is distasteful is Clarke still playing the game.
I am happy to support Gloucester when I go watch them, its not anti english get over your self.
Pig face - I don't care what your reason. I wouldn't call any team from another nation scum. Or posh *****s.
I'm well over myself, it just seems it's ok to post with a racist edge, as long as it's against the English.
You're all very sensitive these days, aren't you? 😕
Is it racist to say Northampton are scum. They have all sorts in their team, English, Welsh, Samoan, American and not forgeting the Kiwi gouger!!!
No, I don't like it when it comes from any angle. Some of the Welsh name calling was rude (prob not intentional, but that ain't the point).
Let's stick to the rugby - plenty to talk about!!
What welsh name calling?
Calling someone a scum bag isnt racist, calling some a lazy irish scumbag is. Ask mr clarkson for clarification if you wamt to know more.
It is about Rugby, you want to ignore the reason 🙄 then I guess you are fine to ignore this scumbag
This thread has got so whiney over the last couple of pages 🙁
As someone else has said, let focus on the great rugby in store this weekend!
I really enjoyed the Leinster game yesterday-hard to see a none French team lifting the trophy though, and I can't see an English team in the final which is a shame given where the final is being played.
Racing atent that great a team, can see Sarcens beating them.
Callum Clark should never play again. No place for him in the sport.
The RFU should have dealt with this - 6 months is a joke!
Do that on the street and you'd be banged up.
That was a shitty thing to do. Did he "intentionally break his arm"?? Not sure about that. He was given a 6 month ban. The game is littered with biters/gouges/spear tacklers/violent offenders. Doesn't excuse calling a whole club scum, IMHO.
Rugby is a violent sport played right on the edge - see the discussions over the Lawes challenge v France. Every game sees things you can't do in the pub on a Friday. When you step the wrong side of the line it looks terrible.
I haven't trawled back through the thread, but wasn't there some objection to choice of language against the other home nations a few weeks back? Justifiably so, IIRC.
To answer your first question, Yes he did.
In your opinion it is not good to call a club scum, in my opinion it it is. I can respect that.
Good win for the Dragons yesterday as well.
Rugby wise, I thought Bath were the best bet for an AP side win. Sarries have been on good form recently, so they are in with a chance. I like the way Wasps play, but I think Toulon will steamroller them. Clermont were on fire yesterday.
I think the English clubs will struggle in Europe for a while - there are too many clubs to dilute the talent, and the French teams get around that by spending a fortune on the best talent.
You would think all that talent would translate to the national side. Which positions are they lacking in?
Pig face - is the whole of NZ rugby scum, as they declared no case to answer for the Nonu spear tackle on BOD on the lions tour? If I had the time/will I could probably find a similar case against any team on the planet.
The European challenge cup often throws up better games than the Heineken.
Does it? I've never really had to watch it tbh. 🙂
Saracens would have been my one away bet for the weekend as well. Seem to be doing ok so far. Still can't quite believe the schooling that Saints got yesterday. Haven't seen such a one-sided quarter final in a while.
Clermont are a very good side and havent lost at home for about 240 000 years.
Clermont are a very good side
You don't say. 😀
Even a recent years Munster have given them a few games there...just didn't expect the English champions to get such a hammering, that's all.
The aviva teams arent as good as they like to think.
Stop with the anti English baiting, you will upset somebody 🙄 this is all a bit dull, tbh.
Well there's a turn up. Pretty poor game tbh, but fair dues to Saracens for upsetting the odds.
Oh ya boy sir!
Oh, I've just heard it's ASM they're playing...in St. Etienne...best of luck with that then. 😀
The English teams will struggle for a while unless the format of the AP changes. If you distilled the top premiership players into 3/4 teams then it would be interesting.
dd,
Leinster beat them in an "away" Semi in Bordeax in 2012.
15 - 19
It's not the same as playing them in the Michelin
If you distilled the top premiership players into 3/4 teams then it would be interesting.
Dreadful idea. Even if the AP teams aren't the best in europe (and they aren't), it doesn't detract from what is a fantastic domestic league. The top teams are french by a long chalk, and they are so loaded with foreign players it's a bit of a joke.
Would still fancy Clermont for the final though.
One to go, would prefer Wasps next,
but if it's got to be Toulon then Clermont then that's a Cup worth winning.
Wrecker I agree. The AP is a great league in its own right. Sadly the current setup of other leagues makes it very hard for the AP to compete.
Sadly the current setup of other leagues makes it very hard for the AP to compete.
That's bollox.
1 Irish
1 French
1 English
in the semis. with chance of 1 more English or French.
That's competing.
AP is a good league though, agree with that. It just works well as it is at the mo' and makes for a good season
Sadly the current setup of other leagues makes it very hard for the AP to compete.
We can't complain really, it is what it is. The euro cup is still a good spectacle, and the AP got 4 teams into the quarters (more than any other league). The simple fact is that the AP teams are not good enough to compete with the french, and I reckon no nations domestic clubs are.
loum,
I'm not sure current Sarries are up to a 2012 Leinster standard.
Sadly the current setup of other leagues makes it very hard for the AP to compete.
Could you shed some light on what you mean by this?
dd
That's true
But not sure the current Leinster are up to the 2012 standards. 😥
Still, with that pack they've an outside chance.
And if they somehow lose Goperth before the match...
But not sure the current Leinster are up to the 2012 standards.
Yeah, nowhere near IMO. That side would have destroyed Bath yesterday. Don't know much about Gopperth tbh.
Toulon currently giving Wasps a tough first half.
He's got the game management and kicking from hand of George Ford.
But without the passing, running, tries or assists.
And he get's worse under pressure.
And O'Connor loves him for some reason and won't play Madigan at 10 anymore.
Yesterday, it was Gopperth, Madigan, Ben "O"Te'o, Fitzgerald at 10,12,13,11
Don't think you'd find a Leinster fan who wouldn't prefer another wing on the end with them 3 all stepping in one place and no Gopperth.
That backline playing outside the current pack, basically 2012 with more experience but minus Brad Thorn, and the're back to looking like a decent Leinster.
Obviouslly it's not Sexton, D'Arcy, BOD, Nacewa - but it's closer to how it should be.
Still, a semi's no disaster for a "transition" year, and when Johnny comes back and Henshaw makes the move... 😉
AA - I'm referring to :
a) Pro12 distils the best domestic players into 4(Ir/Wa) or 2(Sc) teams.
b) lack of a realistic salary cap in top14 pulls the best global players.
Plays against the AP teams. Maybe the balance is just about right with the home nations, but I don't think the financial clout of the French league is healthy. Makes for some good watching when clerking play like yesterday though!
loum, think we're both fans of Fitz...thought he was prob the best back yesterday...not that any of them were outstanding. Hoping he sees more starts come the WC.
😐
Took the dog out for the second half of Toulon v Wasps. Sounds like I've missed the better half.
Well, looks like Glaws could be up for sale..............
Pro12 distils the best domestic players into 4(Ir/Wa) or 2(Sc) teams.
The player base of the pro12 is less than that of England I reckon. The aviva also has a much greater financial clout than the pro12 teams. True the French budgets are much bigger but the deck is hardly stacked against the english teams. Oh and the welsh have hardly distilled the best players into the regions when:
Hook
North
Davies
Roberts
1/2p
Morgan
Peel
Ryan Jones
?
?
Evans
Dvies
The Fridge/Francis
Hibbard
Rhys Gill
are playing abroad and St. Gav
Edinburgh appear to be making easy work of London Irish.
Good to see the not nots fans buying into the magic of Europe!
Edinburgh appear to be making easy work of London Irish.
Well that's changed...
AA - I agree the exodus of home talent isn't helping Wales at all, either domestically or internationally. That list you put up is directly linked to the performance of the Welsh domestic teams in the ECC.
I think Ireland benefit in both terms from the arrangement. The Leinster pack is basically Ireland's, so lots of continuity. They also seem much better at keeping the talent at home. I don't know if they just have more financial clout, or if there is another reason?
I'd like to see all of the home nations teams find a way to challenge the might of the French league.
I don't know if they just have more financial clout, or if there is another reason?
Yes, fans go to the games and the Irish union have more money to spend due to less debt. I believe the tax situation is very favourable for the players too.
If you have played on Ireland for a certain period of time, is it not tax free? Good that their economy is so healthy they can give sportsmen and women a break like that...oh,wait! Iirc, were it football, they would break Fifa law.
Disagree the exodus from Wales isnt so bad, the regions cant afford expensive foreign players so there are a lot of young players from Wales getting games. That improves them, improves coaching improves the prospects of players in the feeder clubs.
Samson Lee is a great example of a youngster home grown and blooded early at the Scarlets
True, but it takes control of the big players out of the WRUs hands if they are playing overseas.
It means the regions are not competitive, thats bad for everyone including young players.
Is it a biggie? The Welsh teams are competitive in the pro12. The competition in the European cup is essentially the IRU and unrestrained spending. I understand that some Welsh might want the WRU owning the clubs, but rampant football-type spending won't do rugby any favours.
Lucky Edinburgh - great defence but they should have lost.
What was the Yellow for the Edinburgh player for, & if foul play, why not a penalty reversal?
Also, on the last decision, the ref says"try Y/N - if not, then penalty" He then blows for the end of the match - ???
I would rather "uncompetitive" regions than the galaticos of the Ospreys, throwing millions at southern hemi mercenaries wont do the game in Wales any good.
True, PF, but if the WRU had the same policy as England, would the big players stay at home?
but rampant football-type spending won't do rugby any favours.
At some point watching Toulon buy (or perhaps bore) their way to yet another Euro championship will lose it's appeal. 🙂
I would rather "uncompetitive" regions than the galaticos of the Ospreys, throwing millions at southern hemi mercenaries wont do the game in Wales any good.
And look where it got them!
At some point watching Toulon buy (or perhaps bore) their way to yet another Euro championship will lose it's appeal.
Absolutely. It's just turning into a premier league style arms race in france. Did you see the Clermont line up? 😯
Most had full international caps I think. They took off Fofana, and replaced him with Rougerie!
It's just not sustainable IMHO.
It is if someone's willing to pay!
Yes it is, the owners are the Fremch eq of Andrew Lloyd Webber and Rupert Murdoch. Even allowing for the huge wages, they have prob lost more down their sofa.