Hate to break it to you ^ but that's a range rover not a defender.
*pedant* Its actually a Bobtail Range Rover.
*pedant* Its actually a Bobtail Range Rover.
What does it want to be when it grows up?
*pedant* Its actually a Bobtail Range Rover.What does it want to be when it grows up?
A skoda estate
5 old range rovers, one to drive and 4 to keep it driving
Newshape Ford Mondeo TDCI estate
Well in a different league i looked at a cheap old frontera diesel today to replace our golf
Drove very car like for a 4x4 and 2.2 dti engine was strong and pulling well
Theres just something i cant put my finger on about it that puts me off.
Was the best thing i saw though at under 2k - wish id gone to see te 1.8 d 205 from 1995 - reckon it was probably te best car sub 2k ( 500 quid with 75k on clock) Just too far to see today.
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I haven't been in a Defender for over 40 years so can't comment. I regard my Patrol as a luxury car, very comfortable, nice to drive, smooooth over bumps - maybe you Aussies need to man up a bit? 😆
*is making a joke*
40 year old defender . Defender was launched in 1991 iirc
40 year ago was a leafer series
trail_rat - Member
40 year old defender . Defender was launched in 1991 iirc40 year ago was a leafer series
don't discount time travel or someone may have a special early prototype 😉
As suggested above, if you [i]need[/i] a 4x4 then get a Defender. If you don't then get a proper car.
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If you are just trying to make a statement then an X5 is perfect for shouting, very loudly, "Hey everyone look at me! I can't afford a Range Rover."
(you could get a slightly older RR with that budget and you would get far less mocking)
Ok, ok, I was 13 at the time, I know it was a Land Rover but I got the model wrong - it had wooden benches in the back, and I don't think I remember windows, it had a roof of sorts. All that was quite good fun I suppose but dear sweet jesus was it BUMPY! And noisy. And cold.
Actually I might have been 11.
40 year old defender . Defender was launched in 1991 iirc
What was the difference between a Defender and an earlier 90/110? Other than the name. The 90/110 was a big step up from the 88/109 but I can't see much difference to the Defender? I know they changed the diesel engines at some point (I used to drive a 1989 110 TDI, this was different to the later 300TDis but was it just the engines that changed?)
As suggested above, if you need a 4x4 then get a Defender. If you don't then get a proper car.
Landcruiser?
And smelly. (the car I mean, not me)
oops, my phone sent the same post twice
Hate to break it to you ^ but that's a range rover not a defender.
Funny, the badge on the tailgate says Land Rover...
Actually I was thinking Discovery, not Defender.
X5 is perfect for shouting, very loudly, "Hey everyone look at me! I can't afford a Range Rover."
🙂
Might be a 90 with a chopped RR body on it.
So much jealousy and hatred on this thread
But buying one is the equivalent of waving ones willy in front a mirror while stark naked. No one else is either present or interested.
pebblebeach - MemberJesus, have you any idea how you come across.
He makes a valid point though- while navigating skinny lanes, most 4x4 owners seem afraid to put a tyre on the verge, I had my Focus bouncing along drainage ditches because assorted knobbers in assorted big 4x4s just couldn't bear to leave the tarmac. Absolutely ridiculous, especially since they're taking up so much more road in the first place.
I had my Focus bouncing along drainage ditches because assorted knobbers in assorted big 4x4s just couldn't bear to leave the tarmac.
I find moving over a touch and applying the hand brake works well in those situations. Along with driving a LWB transit
Andrew - very little , was basically a new range of engines ( 90/110 was v8 3.5 carbs , 2.5n/a petrol/ diesel and the 19j 2.5td ) defender was v8 efi and 200 tdi and a set of disks on rear in place of the manuall adjust drums.
Defenders only have two things going for them
They don't depreciate much
And you can tow 3500kg
orangeboy - Member
Defenders only have two things going for them
They don't depreciate much
And you can tow 3500kg
And they happen to be one of the most capable 4wds you can buy
glitchy bump?
For all those who say a 2wd with winter tyres is better than a 4wd, follow the logical step and put winter tyres on your 4wd!!
Both the missus and me commute by train, so we don't put big miles on our Tank (Volvo XC90), so we run it with All season rubber year round. The consumption hasn't changed, and they are lasting far better than the crappy continentals they replaced.
I went through a similar process a few years back, and found that the X5/VW Touareg s/h prices were very high. If it weren't for wanting 7 seats, I loved the Murano. Also try a Hyundai Tucson, or Santa Fe.
He makes a valid point though- while navigating skinny lanes, most 4x4 owners seem afraid to put a tyre on the verge, I had my Focus bouncing along drainage ditches because assorted knobbers in assorted big 4x4s just couldn't bear to leave the tarmac. Absolutely ridiculous, especially since they're taking up so much more road in the first place.
This is my no 1 problem with big 4x4s. People seem to think you 'need' them for driving in the country, but they're completely inappropriate for driving on narrow country lanes, especially when you're scared to get them scratched on a hedge. When I grew up in the countryside only farmers had 4x4s and everyone managed just fine.
Ok maybe I should have said the only three things defenders are good for
Before I get abused further maybe I should add I do own a 110
Just thought I'd have a quick check to see how huge these behemoths that take up the whole road width are - a pre-facelift X5 is a monstrous, wait for it, a whole tarmac hogging......
...1 inch wider than a pre-facelift 5 series saloon.
I guess it's mostly just to do with the way they are driven then. A 5 series saloon sized 4x4 is still a big car for narrow country lanes though, especially when driven with a massive sense of entitlement and an abject fear of getting a tiny scratch. 😉
Just thought I'd have a quick check to see how huge these behemoths that take up the whole road width are - a pre-facelift X5 is a monstrous, wait for it, a whole tarmac hogging.........1 inch wider than a pre-facelift 5 series saloon.
Mostly due to the [sweeping generalisation] person driving with no concept of the width of the car, road or position of the either. The default driving position seems to be in the middle, as cars put more crap/safety/interior stuff in the doors etc. people are moved further in adding to the perception issue.
Couple that with a massive fear of even the muddy bit at the side of a normal country road they end up moving in a long way.
When I grew up in the countryside only farmers had 4x4s and everyone managed just fine.
I was gonna post that. My mate at school lived on a farm (actual farmers, not rich pretend ones). They drove a very knackered Sierra.
I was gonna post that. My mate at school lived on a farm (actual farmers, not rich pretend ones). They drove a very knackered Sierra.
We only ever had normal 2wd cars when I grew up on the farm. Parents still do - there is 1 4x4 Pickup but you wouldn't want to go in that unless you had to 🙂
All the raods are surfaced to a decent quality compared to a lot of places. Again if there is that much snow/ice/flooding then every other muppet who con't drive will stop you getting places not the condition of the road or what you are driving.
Again if there is that much snow/ice/flooding then every other muppet who con't drive will stop you getting places not the condition of the road or what you are driving.
The man speaks sense .
I have my ninety as it makes me smile. When ever i drive it . If i didnt have it id probably have a crotch rocket or a fast car of some kind , mrs t-r feels my ninety is a safer option.