I'm obviously aware of the irony of asking this question on here 🙂
Seems like lots of folk have to wear their heart on their sleeve and tell others how they are feeling at all times.
How about a bit of stiff upper lip or perhaps just keeping things to yourself?
Now, where did I park the Delorean?
Well, if Stoicism is now out of fashion I guess we will just have to accept it.
I think Coticism is more fashionable round here.
^lol.
I would say the opposite. More of a resurgence
I would say that this place is very unstoic and lacking when it comes to the socratic method of debate (as I understand it anyway)
Because bottling up what might at first seem a fairly trivial issue can lead to bigger mental health problems. Manning up, as it used to be known, is not a good thing.
Just ignore the threads you feel uncomfortable with and let the modern blokes do the helpful, compassionate stuff.
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
How about a bit of stiff upper lip or perhaps just keeping things to yourself?
sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't, it's a good thing that these days people don't feel they don't have options
thats a lot of negativity, u ok hun?
I read a Derren Brown book about happiness and he strongly promoted stoicism, which made a lot of sense to me.
Because bottling up what might at first seem a fairly trivial issue can lead to bigger mental health problems.
Which is not what stoicism is about at all.
Big S or little s?
It certainly seems out of fashion in politics given that the 4 virtues of stoicism are wisdom, justice, courage, and moderation.
They sound like the really dull dwarves 🙂
It has its place - learning to accept what we cannot change etc.
But a bit of an open discussion to get to that point is fine.
(Be careful with "you OK hun?" A mate messaged me in the summer to see if I was free for him to ring me. I said "yes, you OK hun?" - he was ringing to say he was splitting up with his wife.....🤦♂️ )
Which is not what stoicism is about at all.
Do you think the OP really understands what stoicism is about?
Something to do with barrels and dogs IIRC?
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
Trite bollocks.
Are we talking about actual stoicism or 'stiff upper lip'.cos they aren't really the same thing.
Do you think the OP really understands what stoicism is about?
Good point, I was more reading the stoicism part.
Something to do with barrels and dogs IIRC?
And ****ing in public, don't forget ****ing in public (^for that fellow at least).
Edit: I am not sure if Diogenes was a stoic or not?
I thought the 3 virtues of stoicism; wisdom, justice and courage were gained through alcohol
I should have known better 🤦♂️
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/stoicism?q=stoicism
and
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/stoicism
Apologies to you clever folk that interpreted it as something else
the fact of not complaining or showing what you are feeling when you are suffering
Aye, that version of Stocism can get in the sea. Does no good to bottle up your emotions.
The other sort of Stocism, the Epicurean sort is on the other hand of great value.
I had forgotten the ****ing in public actually.
Do we want more of that or not?
I think sometimes openess about all your problems, or overly analysing how you're feeling about them, can tend into a bit of a victim mentality. Which is very un-Stoic.
But then understanding how and why you're feeling things is very Stoic, so far as you then act appropriately on it.
I did enjoy this...
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
It doesn't even survive contact with milliseconds of critical thought. The 1st world war - that would seem fairly hard times. Those men created a great depression (shite) and then started the 2nd world war (shitest).
Apologies to you clever folk that interpreted it as something else
🙂
Edit: I am not sure if Diogenes was a stoic or not?
I looked at the pic and wasn't sure whether it WAS Dodgyknees or not. The barrel is there, but I don't know his story well enough to know what it is with the dogs and lighting a lantern in daytime?
Need more Stackovites....
Dig for Victory comrades.
I looked at the pic and wasn’t sure whether it WAS Dodgyknees or not. The barrel is there, but I don’t know his story well enough to know what it is with the dogs
I don't remember the dogs either, maybe the painter just liked dogs?
"things were better in the olden days, we just got on with it!"
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I find when something upsets me that talking it over or trying to sort it out in my mind only gets me more agitated. I have to walk away from situations and force myself to calm down and think about other things. On here for example, I find it much better to light the blue touch paper and run away rather than stand my ground and argue with all you clever clogs . 🙂
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Seems like lots of folk have to wear their heart on their sleeve and tell others how they are feeling at all times.
How about a bit of stiff upper lip or perhaps just keeping things to yourself?
I’ve spent my entire life doing that. The last nine months have put me into such a dark emotional place that it’s proved impossible to just bottle it up, and as someone has said, to do so isn’t a good thing to do.
I did once see a sign on a door that said ‘This door is alarmed’, underneath was written ’but stoic’, which really made me chuckle.
I don’t remember the dogs either, maybe the painter just liked dogs?
Did he not live with stray dogs?
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/stoicism?q=stoicism
and
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/stoicism
Apologies to you clever folk that interpreted it as something else
Those are definitions of the word, not the teachings of the philosophy.
Here’s a reading list for you
Epictetus - Discourses, Fragments, Handbook
Have a read, and you’ll realise a “stiff upper lip” is bugger all to do with Stoicism.
I was hoping this was a spin-off from How to Train a Dragon...obviously not.
I just mix it all in.
I find when something upsets me that talking it over or trying to sort it out in my mind only gets me more agitated. I have to walk away from situations and force myself to calm down and think about other things
That is my natural instinct but it's not always the best approach there are techniques though. Talking and walking side by side, sitting next to and talking to someone but not directly etc help massively. The storming out I have realised just means I missed my window to actually deal with stuff and it's got on top of me.
Apologies to you clever folk that interpreted it as something else
Apologies for knowing what stoicism actually is and making you feel bad.
Apologies for knowing what stoicism actually is and making you feel bad.
Don’t worry, you didn’t 😀
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
Complete codswallop.
Apologies for knowing what stoicism actually is and making you feel bad.
He'll think about it and get over it.
😉
So the dog guy in the barrel.... ****ing in public. Just trying to work out what that could be. What's wrong with adjusting your lantern in public? Or is he playing with his wick? Cockney rhyming slang... in 1860? Apparently Diogenes was "Reproached for behaving indecently in public, he lamented only that he wished it were as easy to relieve hunger by rubbing one's stomach".
Did he not live with stray dogs?
Look, it was almost 30 years ago I was at university. I just remembered the barrel and him asking someone to get out of his sunlight.
Remembers to pick up the 'Philosophize this!' podcast from where I left it
