[Closed] Steroids and Going Mental

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Great post title.

Edit, there was possibly another factor - can't think what it was, it's on the top of my head, well not mine because I'm not ginger erm...

Yes there is a common relationship.

I was stabbed in the neck and my girlfriend had her nose and both cheek bones fractured by a doorman friend of mine at a party after the red mist descended following his abuse of steroids to bulk up having deliberately lost weight to gain sympathy in a messy divorce case involving (ironically) his wife assaulting him with a baseball bat.

He drank a whole bottle of vodka washed down with several red bulls and then literally pulled the place apart. It was like the police station scene in Terminator (not helped by the protagonist being clad in black jeans, boots and a leather jacket).

It took six cops in full PPE to "subdue" him which involved all standing on his limbs and taking it in turns to hit him about the head with their asps.

By the end of it there were eight people in hospital no doors left on the hinges and blood literally up the walls. I went in the next day to clear up and there were bloody handprints all over the windows where people had struggled to get them open to jump out and escape.

All this done by a man who I had been laughing and joking with minutes earlier.

Jeezus!

a doorman friend

Was he ginger? Just to eliminate this factor from our enquiries.

To be fair, I would go mental if my balls shrivelled to the size of prune.

His wife must be pretty hard then.

balls shrivelled to the size of prune.

As big as that? 😉

****.

Was he a decent chap before the steroids? or was he always a bit of a loon?

Over half the people in the gym I visit must be on steriods. Inner city, semi-chav and most of them hardly do what I'd class as 'enough' exercise to warrant how muscular/big they are.

I've even been offered 'stuff' there. **** that.

Sad really. Yes anyone can get big/muscular but **** the price you'll pay.

A massive Hungarian guy I knew for a while went onto steroids, then for some reason he became very friendly towards me 😐 One day he knocked on my front door. His eyes screamed steroids, but more worrying was that he had a piece of raw meat on his head? It was a long few minutes.

BD- no he wasn't a ginge 😉

Re his wife, she was also a door'person', looked a lot like Sonia warrior princess.

The upshot of it was I ended up a bit of a pawn in a war between tow biker gangs as he was connected to one and she another (she decided to switch allegiances after the divorce for protection)

Edit:- David R, he used to be a really good level headed friend, we had a few near the knuckle practical jokes but no more than any lads do really.

Oldgit - LMAO!

Ah the old Hungarian tradition of 'I want to make love to you like a piece of meat'..

So it was the roids and not Alcohol then?

Red bull and vodka is a nasty mix

Great post title.

he had a piece of raw meat on his head? It was a long few minutes.

Red bull and vodka is a nasty mix

A few of those then the hangover the next morning makes you want to hit people.

The vodybull pushed him over the edge but the roids gave him the capability and the phychotic shut down.

I'm no chemist so I can't give you a full breakdown, but I imagine it is a bit like combining the equaly lethal potential energies of a chimp and a chainsaw.

As I said he was a mate and I'd known him for quite a few years with no evidence of total psychosis before and we'd all been out on the p155 a fair few times before then and no-one had needed facial reconstructive surgery after.

Yes I'd say that's a fairer assumption than it was the roids that did it. I still see it as a guy who had just broken up with his girlfriend, who then attacked him so probably not in a good frame of mind then drinks a bottle of vodka and also happens to be a steroid user.

Red bull and vodka is a nasty mix

No, Vodka and spaghetti hoops is a nasty mix. Vodka and red bull is rather nice - though not nearly as good as a nice cheeky vimto.

Yup, my housemate had a much shorter fuse after he started taking them.

I'd never say never, but I'm only after enough muscle to make swimming and cycling at a fair pace easy. I'm about there with the cycling but could do with a bit more core strength for swimming.

Over half the people in the gym I visit must be on steriods. Inner city, semi-chav and most of them hardly do what I'd class as 'enough' exercise to warrant how muscular/big they are.

Steroids don't artificialy increace muscle mass/strength. They aid the recovery so you can go to the gym day after day. And its like a lot of things, little and often is better than spending hours at it. My housemate only goes for about 40minutes at the gym 4 days a week, and he's huge! He just picks his excercises to focus on a very specific goal (i.e. get BIG).

Yeah, but nonetheless it was the roids that made him invincible and gave him the hormone rush to turn mental for no reason.

He wouldn't have lost 18 months of his life to prison and ruined his life (not to mention lots of other people too) if it were not for taking the roids. He'd have just lost a few mates and got a bad hangover as any infraction would have been considrably smaller.

Either way I'd find it very hard to belive anyone could make a positive case for something that turns you into a slab of sinewey meat with a tiny winkie, psychosis aside.

It took six cops in full PPE to "subdue" him which involved all standing on his limbs and taking it in turns to hit him about the head with their asps.

Have I missed something? Since when did cops start carrying poisonous snakes? 🙂

Is it steroid aided training that makes guys look so big, but without any definition?

Depends what you do, you could take them and go cycling for 5 hours, all it would do is dull the pain/aid recovery so you could go out again the next day and go all out again.

If you just injected them every day then sat on the sofa nothing would happen.

If you want lots of muscle you want hormones (HGH, testosterone, etc) which build up muscle, imagine the difference between male and female physique, double the hormones and you get double the effect, not that simple but you get the idea.

3rd point, proper steroids are very expensive, your looking at £000's for a months supplies. Yes you can get cheeper ones but they are probably from dubious sources and more likely somethign really old thats come off its patent.

[b]a doorman friend[/b] of mine at a party after the red mist descended following his abuse of steroids to bulk up [b]having deliberately lost weight to gain sympathy in a messy divorce case[/b]

Was he a decent chap before the steroids? or was he always a bit of a loon?

Practical Matt I agree, I new of something similar, nice guy lost the plot and he did not drink. He even said it was the steroids that were doing it. In the end every time he took them he stayed out the way of people. He was married as well don’t know how his wife coped.

Having said that, I have known people that were been fine. My opinion is stay away.

oldgit - i think that's just when you have big muscles, but are still quite fat 🙂

My cousin was murdered by her ****ing ****er steroid abusing husband

One of my former employees had a boyfriend who was a 'roid/body-builder/martial arts/fantasist nut-job. He drove a skip lorry, and spent pretty much every other waking hour in the gym. He went mental one afternoon, drove the skip-lorry off the road, came looking for his GF as she's "disrespected him" and terrorised the office for a good 15 minutes before the worlds supply of cops came and 'sorted' it. It's his eyes that I can picture even now, bulging only comes close, they seemed to be coming out his skull. All in all a very scary afternoon, and subsequent couple of days (she wouldn't press charges, so he was out again pretty much straight away)

most of them hardly do what I'd class as 'enough' exercise to warrant how muscular/big they are.

Large muscles don't require long stints in the gym, just massive weight and a few sets of reps, in and out.

. His eyes screamed steroids,

?? Steroids don't affect your eyes?

I have a friend who was very timid and calm, with the occasional angry streak (from frustration about not being taken seriously I think). He's now a 'roid user and has very aggressive tendencies and mood problems.

I'd never say never

*raises eyebrows*

That, I would suggest, is an ill-judged position.

Aside from the issue of 'roid rage', steroids are immensely powerful drugs, with a large number of short- (osteoporosis, high blood pressure) and long- (heart disease incl. sudden cardiac death, [b]testicular failure[/b], prostate cancer) term side effects.

Add to this the risks of what are totally unregulated dosing regimes* and of buying drugs off the internet (and therefore not being entirely sure what it is you're actually getting).

I can't see how a bit of extra muscle bulk is worth the risks - what do you do 10 years down the line (after stopping the roids) when your balls have packed in, you can't have kids & you need to go to the GP once a month for a testosterone depot injection as without it, you've no energy, no libido & poor memory?

Andy

*unless, clearly, your regime is being overseen by an Italian gynaecologist

I wonder what makes blokes want to waddle.
Legs so thick they can hardly walk.
Can't bend down to tie their shoes.

I used to go to a grunters gym, gold gym vests and strippy bottoms.
Those guys did zero warm up / cool down / abs or any form of regular exercise. The guy that owned it was a classic former boby builder. i.e. massive chest, massive gut that I sure was flogging stuff under the counter.

I was always impressed with the old Arnie "Pumping Iron" film.

They way well have been taking stuff but at least they looked athletic and could run around on the beach.

I was on steroids for a while and it didn't appear to affect my temper. Then again they were part of a chemotherapy regime for Hodgkin's Lymphoma and (I think) intended to stop my body falling apart completely rather than to make me into a muscle-bound superman. I do remember feeling unpleasantly itchy/twitchy after some treatments but that was a physical feeling rather than an emotional one.

Then again, maybe they weren't the sort of steroids that cause so many problems. After all, topical steroids are used to treat some skin complaints and I've never heard of anyone going mental because their dermatitis cleared up. 🙂

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Good read!

woody - that story smacks of lies and exaggeration. Apart from anything 280lb is hardly freakishly large and I doubt the doctors would be overly worried about putting somenoe that size under?

Yeah, my 2-year-old daughter is on steroids for her eczema and has been properly moody lately.

She was reapeatedly banging a door shut on my head this morning as well.

Good job she's still only about 23lbs.

Apart from anything 280lb is hardly freakishly large and I doubt the doctors would be overly worried about putting somenoe that size under?

127kg's not that big; in the context of rampant steroid abuse that's not what would worry me - I'd be more concerned about the resulting uncontrolled blood pressure/heart disease/liver damage etc.

Andy

DOI: FRCA.

127kg's not that big; in the context of rampant steroid abuse that's not what would worry me - I'd be more concerned about the resulting uncontrolled blood pressure/heart disease/liver damage etc.

This was kind of my point, the story emphasises their size, not the underlying problems. Sounds like it's written by someone pretending to be something they're not and writing about things they've not actually experienced. (IMO)

he was only 5'9 or something in that story - so he would be big. over 19 stone.

Whilst not condoning steroid use, I think a few people on here are getting confused between abuse and use. Steroids cannot be classed as one drug in terms of health dangers, for example oral Dianabol is much worse than injectable Nandrolone.

Just to keep things in perspective, if you look at the popular 'dependancy Vs health risk' graph, steroids are way down on the list, alcohol and even tobacco is much higher.

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In most cases, try and view the health warnings of drugs much in the way you would look at the contraindications on the back of a paracetemol packet.

Also, I think I remember learning there were no known provable links to aggressive behaviour and taking steroids, too many variables, but I have had enough stories, on here and personally, that leads me to believe there is a link.

Even so, don't be silly, just get your muscles the old fashioned way, hard work!

he had a piece of raw meat on his head?

Was it a case of mis-steak-en identity?

steroids are so 90's..............growth hormone is where it is at now.
strips your fat down and piles the mass on.
as used by super league and heineken premier players off season......... 😉

Good job she's still only about 23lbs.

I used them in my bodybuilding days. Never had much of a problem and I was working the doors as well, to pay for them.
Only time I lost my temper was when dieting down for a competition. Calories low, still working two jobs, training etc. Hardest thing I have ever done!

you guys need to check out a guy called Greg Valentino, you will never do roids again!

The basic lesson here is that drugs and alcohol are not good mixed together in large amounts. I remember a guy in East London several years ago, took "E's" and drank lots at a party. He turned up at A&E convinced he was having a heart attack. Due to his pretty unstable and aggressive state he wasn't treated and he then turned the waiting area upside down while all the patients fled and the nursing staff/doctors locked the doors and took shelter. Police arrived and had to use baton strikes on him that had no affect whatsoever. He was eventually "subdued" and taken in. The following morning he had to be carried out of his cell as both his kneecaps were on the wrong side of his knee due to all the baton strikes. He had never been in trouble with police before and was a law abiding citizen.

Greg Valentino

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An old colleague started taking them, his mood changed and he became aggressive.
3 months down the line he went on gardening leave as nobody could work with him.

steer well clear of them.

Greg Valentino was injecting an oil called synthol (I think) into his arms to make them appear so massive. Although he was also taking steroids (aswell as dealing them and various class A drugs) the freak size of his arms comes from the synthol injections.

When you look at the people most likely to use/ abuse steroids, bearing in mind they are illegal, and potentially dangerous drugs then it maybe paints a skewed picture of just how severe or widespread roid rage is.

There is so much BS that's surrounds the use of steroids, that if you look hard enough you can link the use of them to anything you like.

Having trained with many people that have used them & from having frequent discussions about the subject, i can't say that they are any more or less aggresive. Those that are aggressive, tend to be aggresive any way and those that were laid back remained so.

Go into any A&E department on a friday/saturday night, and i would argue that alcohol is the biggest trigger for aggresive behviour.

ChrisL - Member
I was on steroids for a while and it didn't appear to affect my temper.

Probably dexamethasone. Still a horrible drug, but not an anabolic, so no effect on muscle mass etc. Can still cause some of the unpleasant side effects, and is known to cause temporary psychosis in some people, but in a very unpredictable manner. First time I was on Dex I had a bit of paranoia, that people around me knew more about my condition than I did etc, but been on dex twice since and apart from horrendous stomach problems and unwanted weight gain not too many problems. Felt crap when they finished though, almost a withdrawl type situation for a fortnight or so, but I'd been on the dex for 3 months or so. Been on a reducing dose for about 2 months as well. so was a bit surprised how bad I felt finishing the meds. Just keep my fingers crossed whenever I go to clinic that none of the medics choose to restart me on it.

Re anabolics, no doubt they have effects on aggression etc, but an individuals personality must have something to do with it, doorman, fighter, etc, in that there is an element of aggression in their own nature anyway.

Why can't there be a steriod that affects the penis? Why is it always EVERYTHING around it but not that area?!!! 😆

what happens 9 times out of 10 its the users mind set after taking them bigger they get the harder they think they are and if they take 50mg of dianabol a day and put on 3/4bls a week instead of cycling the dosage and time scale they up the dosage and use it for a longer period then you get toxins building up in your liver that you need to remove.

hora - Member
Why can't there be a steriod that affects the penis?...

Personally I believe in 'roid rage. It's hardly a new area. Read about it years ago in body building mags. (probably 15 yrs ago) Even then and probably way before, the leading publications were aware of it. Suppose it's a question of severity and effect though, which wouldn't be as clear and decisive and changes through different use and trends over the years.

Suppose different folks make different choices.

It's been known about way before then juiced, sounds more like that was when you first heard of it.

The cure was on here a week or two ago. It involved self-flagellation with nettles...

I heard that you had to smack yourself with a cricketbat 😉

Just to add to the discussion - often people taking medical doses of steroids (prednisolone/dex etc) suffer 'steroid psychosis' where they become profoundly confused/agitated/psychotic....
Can occur if they come off them too quickly as well. I've dealt with many people with this unfortunately.....

DrP

So it seems that there is a link overall between steroid use and psychosis.
I knew someone from school who had been taking them for a long-time, then went nuts attacking someone in his car with a hammer, went to prison, was released and killed himself.
I think the steroids could have been the thing that tipped him over the edge, making attempts at changing his life futile.

My mate attacke his dog with an ironing board because it barkwd at him in a roid rage. V random and v worrying too and a bit funny i mean an ironing board wtf??? It aint wwf wrestling.

About 15-20yr ago I used to get my hair cut by a lad who was very muscly. He'd won a couple of national titles I think, a few yr before that and was out of training but stil a big lad.

I asked him about steroids and how many of his mates had had problems and, that long ago, ha said that nobody who's serious does steroids any more - jus the nutters who just want to hurt people. He'd been on insulin & HGH.

From that comment alone, I reckon roid-ragers may be a self-selecting group

monkeychild

My mate attacke his dog with an ironing board because it barkwd at him in a roid rage. V random and v worrying too

Damn right it's worrying. What sort of mentalist gives his dog roids? Can hardly blame it for barking at him.

Lol, doh to my morning english.

"The cure was on here a week or two ago. It involved self-flagellation with nettles..."

No, you have to repeatedly flick elastic bands at your helmet for an hour a day.

I once ate a party size tub of E45 and went blind for a week, does that count?

I imagine you probably shat your eyeballs there MrNutt - who sieved your poo ?

It took six cops in full PPE to "subdue" him which involved all standing on his limbs and taking it in turns to hit him about the head with their asps.

By the end of it there were eight people in hospital no doors left on the hinges and blood literally up the walls. I went in the next day to clear up and there were bloody handprints all over the windows where people had struggled to get them open to jump out and escape.

All this done by a man who I had been laughing and joking with minutes earlier.

That's not nice ... however, one of my mates "achieved" the same purely through a combination of booze, his "attitude" and a history of drug abuse (mainly trips and ectasy). Abbreviated version = he got kicked out of a club for physically threatening his girlfried > went outside > heard his sister was nearby with his girlfriend > decided he wanted to pretty much do them both in > chased them back to his sister's house > smashed up her house and car (and I mean literally) > attacked his sister > she managed to call 999 > police arrived and it took five of them to subdue him ... house was a ****ing mess with doors ripped off and blood up the walls etc (and her car was properly smashed up). She pressed charges, as did his girlfriend, but both relented within a couple of days and he got away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. This did my ****ing head in. Whilst I could kind of understand them not wanting to see him go down (in some way or other), I couldn't understand how the police had no choice/jurisdiction to press charges anyway.

What ****s me off is he went on to do similar things in his next couple of relationships (though not to that extent thankfully), yet he got off on every occasion.

The whole system ****ing sucks and it pi55es me right off.

Sorry for the "hijack" and rant - I just feel strongly about this type of sh1t.

I've been on prednisolone since xmas to try and get ulcerative colitis under control, I'm now almost at the end of the course and am feeling ok but for a few months was proper loopy, I'm normally really laid back but any dose higher than about 20mg and the red mist just comes on with no warning, I also put on nearly 3 stone - unfortunately it's definately not muscle 🙁