[Closed] Speeding ticket, advice

Oh dear.....

I predict four pages.

Here we go again 😀

Not seeing any outs for you in that scenario I'm afraid.

If only you weren't caught breaking traffic laws... sounds like you were making good progress too

He would have had to put himself and others at risk to get in that spot running across 2 lanes to hide himself behind the barrier.

Suck it up, buttercup

Luckily that officer wasn't a child or young rabbit. Ban him moderators

If safety was their concern they'd be working outside a school

It was early on a Sunday morning (8am) on a quiet dual carriage (a31)
- I accelerated to get past a van who was kind of randomly weaving close to white lines (like they were texting on their mobile)

Hope you took the reg number and reported the errant driver to the police

Have you been offered an awareness course ?

Perhaps two hours later when it was busier he had been called away to deal with a road traffic collision?

Edit. School on a sunday?

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If the van was weaving why was it safer to be alongside whilst travelling at an even greater speed?

It's catching law breakers not a sport hence it doesn't have to be fair.

They might not have been there two hours later because they were somewhere else maybe pulling a van driver from a crashed van on another road, or they were in the office of their superior being read a letter by a moaning whingebag who thought that time made a difference to speed limits.

Without seeing him get to the position, how do you know he ran, it's a quiet dual carriageway, who was there to endanger?

Sorry Rockhopper no where near four pages 😆

TBF, A31 is quite often closed due to crashes

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I will go and put the kettle on ...

Schools are closed on Sundays.

DT78 - Member

- the sneaky ass officer was at the bottom of a long hill, in the central reservation crouching behind the crash barrier, so whilst in a high viz jacket you could just see one shoulder

... But the main thing that annoys me is the sneaky underhandedness of it. He would have had to put himself and others at risk to get in that spot running across 2 lanes to hide himself behind the barrier.

The officer's time is not up yet so he can crouch there as much as he wants but one day [u]when his time is up it will be a 10 tonnes lorry tyre tracks all over the crash barrier with the remains of high viz jacket tore in pieces ... [/u] that will learn him for being an up tight petty person ...

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The van was driving at that kind of irritating speed of pretty much the same as me at around 70 and had "leap frogged" a couple of times. I didn't get his reg no.

A31 does have plenty of accidents. Not early in the morning on a Sunday though. Though if that officer insists on getting to that spot I wouldn't be surprised if we do hear of him causing an accident. Definitly takes dedication. Maybe he is on commission.

Do the course.
You don't have any sort of complaint against the officer.
I would also respectfully suggest I you were caught at 84 there's a good chance your speedo was nearer 90. They generally over read....

Clear and visible road policing, I would write a letter.

Yes looks like a speed awareness course if I tick the box, £90 4 hours I need to take off work.

The course is offered for 79 to 86

See it as a stepping stone to a future job.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/speeding-ban-cop-meredydd-hughes-5844911

DT78 - Member

Though if that office insists on getting to that spot I wouldn't be surprised if we do hear of him causing an accident. Definitly takes dedication. Maybe he is on commission.

That is a deliberate attempt to exercise power for the sake of being in uniform. It is also the prospect of getting promotion I guess at the expense of others.

Power does get to the head but let's hope the 10 tonners get him soon.

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edit: the link above ... there you go.

So you were nabbed by a Snake in the Grass? Shit happens I'm afraid. Happened to me at 06.45 one Sunday on my way to work, 36 in a 30. I couldv'e mowed down a child or anything.
I took the points as it would've grieved me to pay another £15 to be preached what I actually already knew after 37 yrs of nab/accident free driving. I was disappointed in myself to say the least.

Edit, I declared this gross violation on my next insurance & my premium actually came out cheaper.

project - Member
See it as a stepping stone to a future job.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/speeding-ban-cop-meredydd-hughes-5844911
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Is there not something about not getting an accurate reading if there is another vehicle being involved. Workmate once done a really stupid overtake and got done with speeding only with no mention of overtake, he later found out the signal could have bounced off one vehicle then the next off the second vehicle giving a false reading. HTH

Power does get to the head but let's hope the 10 tonners get him soon.

Yeah, let's hope some kids don't get their dad coming home from work day because he's been killed doing his job.

That would be great.

You really are an idiot sometimes 🙄

Dear Officer,

I'm sorry that irresponsible driving like mine leads you to have to put yourself in danger in the course of your work.

Thank you for your service, this has taught me an important lesson.

Yours etc.

The cost of me attending the course will work out as more than that chap paid for doing 90 in a 60.

I am half trolling but I am pretty annoyed by the sneakyness of it all. And the fact I'm pretty proud of the fact I had a clean record. Had.

I really don't think I was actually doing 84 though I have no proof and given its a big hill and I was overtaking I quite possible could have been.

If safety was their concern they'd be working outside a school

Digging while in a hole is not a sound proposition. Choccy hob-nob with the tea please Edric.

nealglover - Member

Power does get to the head but let's hope the 10 tonners get him soon.

Yeah, let's hope some kids don't get their dad coming home from work day because he's been killed doing his job.

That would be great.

You really are an idiot sometimes

Well, if he is a father then he is a very selfish father for endangering his own life without due consideration for the living. i.e. kids. He is to blame not others and his stupidity cause his kids to grow up without a father. Just because he wants to exercise his petty power ...
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Speedos don't always over read.
My golf is doing about 78 on GPS when car says 70

Oh and just take the ticket and stop complaining

I really don't think I was actually doing 84 though I have no proof and given its a big hill and I was overtaking I quite possible could have been.

If you genuinely believe you've been given a false speed reading then contest it in court.

The equipment may be faulty, not calibrated properly, etc.

(It probably isn't though)

Well, if he is a father then he is a very selfish father for endangering his own life without due consideration for the living. i.e. kids. He is to blame not others and his stupidity cause his kids to grow up without a father. Just because he wants to exercise his petty power ...

You wished him dead just for doing his job.

As I said earlier.

You're an idiot sometimes.

^ let's not get started on those dickhead firefighters and soldiers either

Falkirk-Mark - think that was an issue with the old radar ones rather than the modern laser ones. I think....

It will be more stressful if you have to go through all the red tapes just to contest the power of petty officer. You will be so stressed it is not even worth the hassle. The power of the bureaucrats is very strong as it is embedded so deep into the DNA of the society ... we have zombie maggots ruling over our lives.

If you want to contest it then it is better done in the long run ... you need to form some sort of pressure group to break the link between insurance and policing ... the former exert indirect power over you while the latter work to act/support it.

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nealglover - Member

You wished him dead just for doing his job.

As I said earlier.

You're an idiot sometimes.

Well, how many people has this officer caught with his deliberate action while in uniform? How many people would have to go through the stress because he thinks he should exert his power in petty ways?

With the accumulation of stress he caused others I don't think he is fit to wear that uniform to consider himself a "public servant" but rather a person who dangerously exercise undue power on the public. It is of no loss to the public if he widows his family. 🙄

Live and let live ... don't be petty.

Relax, calm down and as the trendy people say ... Chilllllll man!

Well, how many people has this officer caught with his deliberate action while in uniform? How many people would have to go through the stress because he thinks he should exert his power in petty ways?
With the accumulation of stress he caused others I don't think he is fit to wear that uniform to consider himself a "public servant" but rather a person who dangerously exercise undue power on the public. It is of no loss to the public if he widows his family.

You aren't doing anything to prove me wrong that's for sure.

I certainly wouldn't wish the officer dead, I'd rather someone would have a word with him about how what he is up to might be seen (by some not all) of the public as not really cricket, and it probably doesnt do the public image much good.

About time the traffic laws were reviewed rather than used as another taxation for the unobservatant driver who drifts over speed limits put in place decades ago

You don't think there should be some sort of crackdown on "unobservant drivers" then ?

Seems like a sensible thing to be sorting out really.

orangeboy - Member
Speedos don't always over read.
My golf is doing about 78 on GPS when car says 70

nealglover - Member
You aren't doing anything to prove me wrong that's for sure.

I am not trying to prove you wrong. You have your reasons which is fine with me.

But what I am trying to say is you lot are screwed!

D'oh! I live here too so I am screwed as well ... dammit ... tight space, crowed country and petty bureaucrats ... I am truly screwed. 😯

I am not trying to prove you wrong.

Fine. If you are happy being an idiot, then that's ok.

At least you are aware of it.

Thing is, for everyone that objects to the police catching speeders there's someone else who thinks they don't do it enough.

If you don't believe me just pop along to a community council meeting.

I would rather drivers were watching the road and driving to conditions than having to focus on watching their speedo religiously in case someone is hiding in the bushes with a radar gun.

They may as well be done with all this crap and just put limiters in cars and automatically control limits. It's perfectly possible. No personal freedoms breached, and no possibility to breach speed limits. That'll make all the roads safer. But, no money for the police coffers

(assuming GPS is accurate), I'm pretty certain that's illegal.

Why would that be illegal ?

What! It's illegal to have an inaccurate GPS??

No wonder I got lost!

I would rather drivers were watching the road and driving to conditions

In principle I agree, but in reality, how many people do you trust to judge the ever changing conditions correctly and then drive accordingly? That's why there are defined speed limits.

nealglover - Member

I am not trying to prove you wrong.
Fine. If you are happy being an idiot, then that's ok.
At least you are aware of it

I will give you one suggestion about speed.

If you truly care about speed then propose to change Mph to KM/h and I can assure you the speed will go down tremendously.

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thegreatape - Member
In principle I agree, but in reality, how many people do you trust to judge the ever changing conditions correctly and then drive accordingly? That's why there are defined speed limits.

You need to ask yourself this question ... in reality how many people died on an empty road without involving other people?

thegreatape - Member
If you don't believe me just pop along to a community council meeting.

I have a friend that is so petty about everything he wants to dictate his way of living on others. i.e. anyone that does not fit his view of living should not be out of the house at all ... that bad.

You need to ask yourself this question ... in reality how many people died on an empty road without involving other people

Two crashes, in 2014, that I've been to, that were fatal and involved only one vehicle. That's just in one small sub-division though - there might have been more in the rest of the country?

I have a friend that is so petty about everything he wants to dictate his way of living on others. i.e. anyone that does not fit his view of living should not be out of the house at all ... that bad.

An ideal community council candidate by the sound of it 🙂

I am just a little confused by the bit where you had to overtake him at that annoying speed of 70 mph. Is it safe to assume that after a couple of leap frogs you were going to drop him this time?
You think you were speeding, he thinks you were speeding, his machine agrees... I agree that prevention is much better than straight enforcement but you knew you were going to be speeding to get past.

I will give you one suggestion about speed.
If you truly care about speed then propose to change Mph to KM/h and I can assure you the speed will go down tremendously.

I'm not that bothered about speed really, not sure where I said I was.

I'm more bothered about people not paying attention to what's going on around them, like not seeing a radar trap and not knowing how fast they are going.

Oh, and idiots banging on on about zombie maggots and wishing police officers dead just for doing their job, obviously.

that will learn him

I got zapped for doing a massive 84mph on the M4 in the powerhouse that is a 54hp Fabia 1.2, on an otherwise unblemished licence.

Given I usually ride a 150hp Yamaha R1 for fun I sucked it up.

thegreatape - Member
Two crashes, in 2014, that I have personally had involvement with, that were fatal and involved only one vehicle. That's just in one small sub-division though - there might have been more in the rest of the country?

Well, to be honest the time is up for that driver (a common expression in other culture where self inflicted/accidental death happens) but on the positive note at least no others were involved. This is a none issue.

thegreatape - Member

I have a friend that is so petty about everything he wants to dictate his way of living on others. i.e. anyone that does not fit his view of living should not be out of the house at all ... that bad.

An ideal community council candidate by the sound of it

If we get similar people like my friend and you multiply that all over the country ... we are screwed. Absolutely. 😯

nealglover - Member
Oh, and idiots banging on on about zombie maggots and wishing police officers dead just for doing their job, obviously.

Is there a loss in pettiness of petty power? 🙄

Well, to be honest the time is up for that driver (a common expression in other culture where self inflicted/accidental death happens) but on the positive note at least no others were involved. This is a none issue.

I can add up the fatal crashes since January where people going too fast killed someone else, if you want?

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I would rather drivers were watching the road and driving to conditions than having to focus on watching their speedo religiously in case someone is hiding in the bushes with a radar gun.

Worthless argument. If you have no idea what speed you're going at without religiously watching the speedo you're a shit driver.

It's really not hard, don't pretend it is.

You need to ask yourself this question ... in reality how many people died on an empty road without involving other people?

I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head I've been to, I'd easily at least double that given sometime.

thegreatape - Member

I can add up the fatal crashes since January where people going too fast killed someone else, if you want?

Nahh ... I will get flamed all over if I apply other cultural thoughts on death. 😀

edit: I am referring to death by the driver him/herself and no others are involved. I mean like suddenly driving into a brick wall or something like that.

Drac - Moderator

I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head I've been to, I'd easily at least double that given sometime.

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Like I said if the death does not cause other death other than the driver him/herself than that is a none issue.[/b] Get it?

Are you saying that if someone dies by their own hand it's okay?

I'm a little confused then as to why I needed to consider how many people died on an empty road without involving other people?

Is it ok for the police to do speed checks on cars that are not all alone - I.e. when others might be at risk?

Like I said if the death does not cause other death than that is a none issue.

to you morally and philosphically, possibly. In our society, and even from a cold economic perspective, it is an issue.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15975564

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/26/transport.world

Speeding ticket, advice

molgrips - Member

Are you saying that if someone dies by their own hand it's okay?

You mean suicide?

Assuming you are. If a person is determined then s/he will eventually achieve his/her goal so nothing you can do about it. It is just a matter of how the person will commit his/her own suicide.

Ya, it is a none issue for me.

crashtestmonkey - Member
to you morally and philosphically, possibly. In our society, and even from a cold economic perspective, it is an issue.

Yes, I notice that.

Hence, you have rules all over that slowly creep into your space. I accept rules but the danger of rules in a run away zombie society is that rules have become an end by themselves.

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You mean suicide?

No I mean crashing into a brick wall say, accidentally.

EDIT Gaaah.. what am I doing.. do not argue with chewkw..

molgrips - Member

You mean suicide?

No I mean crashing into a brick wall say, accidentally.

Nahhh ... shit happens so none issue.

Well, it actually happened to me I kid you not. I drove straight into my parents' house/wall. I was supposed to brake but instead I stepped on the throttle. I was driving my uncle's Mazda 323 in those days ... well, the car was damage but not severely. The wall is still intact until today. 😯

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molgrips - Member

EDIT Gaaah.. what am I doing.. do not argue with chewkw..

Nahhh ... don't be silly who's arguing? 😯

Did you bump your head, perchance?

thegreatape - Member

Did you bump your head, perchance?

I got a scar on my head if that helps not from car but from a road/push bike if that helps. I fell and hit my head on a sharp metal bbq drum edge. Blood all over. Several stitches later back on the bike chased by dogs ... 😆

Nope. Still compute. The processor is still functioning fine.

Sounds like there's a good story there!

I once got a ticket for doing 95 in a 40. Contested it as I was driving up hill my mums 1 litre metro. Rolling road proved max speed of car was only 80. Paid for the test to be done at MIRA to confirm the top speed.

So funny in court when it was thrown out, was only doing just over 40 according to the speedo

having just re read the OP and skipped through cheekyw's ramblings

So I'll hold my had up and do the course, no point in disputing it. But the main thing that annoys me is the sneaky underhandedness of it. He would have had to put himself and others at risk to get in that spot running across 2 lanes to hide himself behind the barrier.

Anyone bothered to write a letter of complaint about this sort of behaviour?

Like I said if the death does not cause other death other than the driver him/herself than that is a none issue. Get it?

Who said it didn't?

Ermm! Got it?

Shit happens - what isn't on is how the officer went about getting the readin.
Your only "out" is how he took the measurement.
Forget about calibration, etc because they WILL have that covered.
You need to look at if he had it on a tripod - if he didn't then legally the reading is VOID.
It MUST be secured to prevent movement.
They can ONLY use a tripod outside of a vehicle or the support that uses the door/windowframe inside the vehicle.
They bend the rules massively on placement of camera vans, etc but the type approval for their use is very strict and is where the expensive lawyers get the tickets squashed.

hammyuk - Member
You need to look at if he had it on a tripod - if he didn't then legally the reading is VOID.
It MUST be secured to prevent movement.

Hmmmmmm, sounds like BS to me.

nealglover - Member

Why would that be illegal ?

C&U Regs.

You need to look at if he had it on a tripod - if he didn't then legally the reading is VOID.
It MUST be secured to prevent movement.
They can ONLY use a tripod outside of a vehicle or the support that uses the door/windowframe inside the vehicle.
They bend the rules massively on placement of camera vans, etc but the type approval for their use is very strict and is where the expensive lawyers get the tickets squashed.

Have you muddled up the rules/operating instructions for camera van equipment, which is very heavy, with those for hand held speed guns, which aren't?

No - regulations and type approval are VERY clear on how the devices MUST be set up and used.
Information is directly from several serving traffic officers who are also bikers.
They do something similar here in Hants at one particular site and you will always see the device on a tripod after a solicitor caused a huge court case to do with correct signage, usage, etc. There were hundreds of prosecutions quashed and fines returned!
It's one of those areas where because the public are generally ignorant to the fine print they can pretty much do as they please until someone with either the right knowledge or access to the information questions it.

What's the case that found they must be on a mount of some sort? I'd be interest to read it.