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Dunno about the iPace but I think 3 miles/kWh is a distant dream for an eTron from what I’ve heard
ipace = 2.77 miles per kwh
etron 55 = 2.60 miles per kwh
according to EVDB
Is there a way to switch EVDB (assuming you mean ev-database.org) to display in miles per kwh?
I dont think there is, I converted the WH per mile figures from evdb to get those above
As mentioned earlier I’ve just ordered the Q4 Etron Sportback. Watched a lot of videos before ordering and from what people are saying >3miles k/h seems do-able.
I think the original etron is bigger than the ipace?
Review on the Q4 etron, tbh eh are suggesting real world of a 40 mile commute getting 3.6 miles in the summer and 2.5 in the winter.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/reviews/audi-q4-e-tron-40<br /><br />
I can’t comment on those cars specifically but think about the list of stuff that goes wrong on ICEs that isn’t there on EVs.
Yeah i'd agree normally, but the cars were going back from broken headlamps, part of a door fell off, a running board (?) fell off, and various other things. The best one was that it had a silly feature that projected a landrover logo on the floor when you went near it in the dark, and that stopped working. People that sat next to me, so i'd constantly hear them on the phone!
That must be why they're going cheap!
I’ve been skimming through the second hand market based on this thread also. I would like roof rack capability and a decent boot but for around £14k I could buy another high spec corsa e (the same as I bought last year) as a replacement for my Roomster and occasionally hire a van with the money saved on buying a car with a roof rack?
What sort of range would you need??!!
I’m seelling my LEAF, with roof bars (not bike racks, just bars).. 40kWh battery, 110kW motor.. pimp white wheels, upgraded stereo, new tyres…
Photo earlier in the thread..
£10.5k!
PM if interested
(can you tell I’m enjoying flogging my cars via less than subtle ads! Already kinda sold my Octavia)
DrP
what do you need a roofrack for? seasuckers might do the job
I use the roomster for occasionally carrying all sorts of crap on the roof, ladders, fence panels etc. Not a regular thing but handy when I need to do it.
Interior of the roomster can easily carry 2.7m long bits of wood.
What sort of range would you need??!!
I’m seelling my LEAF, with roof bars (not bike racks, just bars).. 40kWh battery, 110kW motor.. pimp white wheels, upgraded stereo, new tyres…
Photo earlier in the thread..
£10.5k!
Those wheels are horrible! 😉.
I like the Corsa e that I bought and my other half uses as her daily driver. I would happily buy another and now that they are £3k cheaper than what I paid they are a bargain.
I might go down the Korando e motion route tho. The bigger battery and towbar capable car appeals to me.
Roomster needs an MOT soon. If it passes it will postpone the inevitable ev purchase for a while longer which will give me more time to decide.
Those wheels are horrible!
Ssh, don't tell him that, he loves them.
Wheels can make or kill a car. I detest the wheels on the Megane EV, the salesman at Renault had trouble maintaining his habitual good humour when I asked if there were any basic steel wheels that would fit. On the Zoé I took the hub caps off because I prefer the black-sprayed steel. Flashy wheels I do like are 60s Minilites and 80s Opel Manta 400 in white - so I quite like those white wheels on DrP's Leaf.
Ssh, don’t tell him that, he loves them.
😀 keep it quiet or he may hear?!?!?!! 😉
I know they’re not to everyone’s taste..I REALLY like the JDM look..my dream car for years used to be a Civic Type R JDM edition - white or red, with white wheels…lush!
Anyway…plot twist… my OH says she actually loves driving the LEAF, so we may sell her Polo (1.0 TSI) instead, and keep the ugly wheeled beast!
DrP
Statement of the obvious really, but my research into EVs has basically led me to the conclusion that there is not much wrong with current EVs. The problem is with the charging infrastructure, but that is improving all the time. It's probably still true that they only really make sense if you have somewhere at home to charge, but even that should change before too long.
Concerns about charging mean that people are holding out for cars with 500+ mile range, but that's just a function of a lack of chargers. Once they become plentiful a car with a 250 mile range would be plenty as most people will stop every three hours or so anyway, which is only around 150 miles. As long as you can get a decent boost in the time it takes to go to the loo, grab a coffee, walk the dogs or whatever you do, that's all you need.
It's a different mindset. You don't charge when you are empty, you plug in whenever you stop. But if you could do that anywhere you are likely to stop, range in current cars wouldn't be an issue.
I think people (me included) are nervous about buying an EV now as it might look obsolete in a few years. But I can't see any really dramatic battery technology that is set to hit the market in the next five years. A current generation EV with a 250 mile range, a heat pump and the ability to charge from 10-80% in around 30-40 minutes should be all you need once the charging infrastructure catches up. Of course newer and fancier cars will come along if (like me) you tend to keep cars for 6-7 years. But that was true with ICE cars as well and I didn't care as long as my car still did what I wanted it to do (which is mainly start when I press the button and not stop until I tell it to).
Well that's my conclusion anyway. Happy to hear opposing views.
But I can’t see any really dramatic battery technology that is set to hit the market in the next five years
There will probably be solid state batteries available within that time, but they won't be ubiquitous. But as you say, it's not going to be revolutionary in real terms. These would allow you to fit much more range in the same car, but as you say people with home charging don't really need a 600 mile car. They might also allow you to make a car with half the battery and the same range, but we don't know if that will cost half as much. It might, but probably not until solid state becomes mainstream.
This might affect the used values of non-solid state EVs down the line, but I suspect values will reach a floor at a higher level than ICEs because people will be prepared to pay more than ICE to offset against lower running costs.
Regarding charging stops - when I went to North Wales over a year ago, I decided to drive the A470 because it's a nice drive, but it was probably the worst possible route in the UK to drive with I think 4 chargers in a 180 mile trip. With a 180 mile range I planned to stop once on the way up and once on the way back. The first charger I stopped at in Llandrindod Wells was busy, but fortunately as we stood there the chap in the hotel saw us and ran out to disconnect his car so we charged up. It was a very pleasant break in the trip. If we hadn't been able to charge here we could have taken a detour to Newtown. The single charger in the tourist hotspot of Betws-y-Coed was occupied of course. It was also occupied on the return journey but we decided to take the A5 and A49 which has loads of chargers. The hub at Corwen was broken, but we were able to get to Oswestry - the car was fully charged by the time we finished our McDs which we would have stopped for anyway. So the trip took about 40 mins longer than it otherwise would have done, assuming we wouldn't have stopped on the way up anyway. Although, if you include the time spend trying to get Corwen to work, that would make it about 1h15 longer...
This worked out very well but only because we had all day. It was in September and there was daylight late in the day. If we were to go up in the winter, we would need to be there as early as possible to try and finish our climb in the daylight. BUT:
- There are now twice as many chargers on the route in more locations
- We will probably still have to stay overnight the night before anyway, even if I take diesel
- A 250 mile car would have only needed one stop anyway
- The difficulty was purely caused by me wanting to take the scenic route.
If you are looking at an ipace you might also want to check out the Audi etron. There seem to be tons of them (so prices are pretty keen) and by all accounts they are more reliable. Personally I’d have to get over my “wouldn’t be seen dead in an Audi” prejudice though 🙂
Yes, a Q4 Etron is on the list, as I also have a TT I can't claim to have that prejudice!
Question for EV drivers, in particular where there's limited infrastructure -how often do you encounter a charging point where someone has plugged in, and gone elsewhere, blocking the charger?
20 min wait is one thing, but waiting for someone who has plugged in, then gone shopping, for some food, maybe a film, etc - what stops someone blocking a charger for the entire day?
what stops someone blocking a charger for the entire day?
some fast chargers charge a penalty rate after the first 100kwh's of charge, or charge a £10 fee on top of the charge fee if you use the charger for more than an hour etc
julians
some fast chargers charge a penalty rate after the first 100kwh’s of charge, or charge a £10 fee on top of the charge fee if you use the charger for more than an hour etc
Assuming you're plugged in, and haven't just left your car in the spot, right?
Geographically variable. Worst Berlin: loads of plug-in hybrid Mercedes left of chargers for the free parking, my German charge app now has a penalty but not enough to dissuade rich Berliners. Best: SW France, the police ticket non-EVs and it's rare to see a non-charging EV.
It could become an issue. But blocking for a long time is such an egregious thing for another EV driver to do that I think it won't be particularly common. Maybe over-running a bit, as you forget or you haven't finished your meal etc could happen. I think that dickhead ICE drivers parking in EV spots all day on purpose is more likely to be a problem.
Assuming you’re plugged in, and haven’t just left your car in the spot, right?
dont know, I presume they have camera enforcement for the scenario when you just occupy a space without being plugged in.
A note for those looking at used iPace, it's made by Magna International in Austria, not JLR. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing. Possibly a good thing re manufacturing, possibly not when it's discontinued in 2024/25 and you need support and spares thereafter.
I've had an electric car for 5 years and only had problems when the 12V battery got old. My neighbours Range Rover lasted 3 months, with a trip on a trailer 3 times in the time before he got a Model Y and like everyone else I know with an electric car just got on with enjoying life.
Anyone who tells you ICE cars are more reliable is on thin ICE. 😉
But don't buy the Audi, or anything from JLR or VW groups
ICE.....Electric.....
Pedal.
20 min wait is one thing, but waiting for someone who has plugged in, then gone shopping, for some food, maybe a film, etc – what stops someone blocking a charger for the entire day?
Flew out of Newcastle and two chargers in the nearest car park, both with cars - away for 10 mins or for 10 days?
I was pondering this when I caught a train from a rural station this morning. There were quite a few charge points and only two EVs (both plugged in). So no problem for now, but what happens when EVs become more popular?
I left my ICE car (in a normal bay of course) for three days, but what if I had an EV? It would be a massive dick move to leave it on a charger for that long, but I bet most of the cars left there are left plugged in for a whole working day.
You'll probably find you can only leave a car on charge for a short time, not all day - I guess there will be fines coming in. The spaces at work specifically say to only park there whilst charging.
Not really an option for a train car park though. If you are commuting by train, which I guess is what they are trying to encourage with the free parking and EV charging points, then you are going to be leaving your car there all day. Bit of a special case though I guess.
A station near me offers free EV charging, but you do have to pay for car parking. I imagine the early bird gets the EV spot for the whole day..
However.. it is only £2.50 all day on a Sunday.. that means i i could charge a LR EV there `9from a v low starting point) you could pretty much get 1p/mile!!!
DrP
Incidentally, can anyone explain to me why the electric jag is called the i-pace whilst they also have a (non electric) model called the e-pace? It annoys me every time I see one!