[Closed] So you chop someone head off and now you want to sue the prison service

He might have, but what about everyone else?

Sounds like he fell up and down the stairs a few times to me! The official line on the TV news this morning was they were restraining him and he banged his head on a window 🙂 classic

Give him the money and let Lee Rigby's family sue this stupid little ****.
This is your shitty life now, get used to it or even better go and meet your beloved god.

What Piemonster said .

May 20, 2011

AUGUSTA, GA - Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Ga. told police he observed a customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of Augusta, on surveilance cameras putting a laptop computer under his jacket. When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee, drew a knife and ran for the door.

Outside on the sidealk were four Marines collecting toys for the Toys for Tots program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he stabbed one of them, Cpt. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury did not appear to be severe.

After police and an ambulance arrived at the scene, Cpt. Duggan was taken for treatment.

"The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw ..... injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb after stabbing the Marine," according to a police report.

Because we live in a more civilised society than his beloved Islamic State, much as it pisses me off, he has the right to sue if he has a case.

If he wins, I hope Rigbys family can take it off him somehow.

Regardless, I have no real problem if he falls down the stairs every day of his sentence.

@zippykona and the kerbside marines 😆

Pretty much what MCTD said. We have to be better than them in this scenario.

@zippykona and the kerbside marines

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

piedi di formaggio - Member

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

Two front teeth.

He can whistle for it.

AUGUSTA, GA - Orville Smith [etc]

Not true, sadly. Or rather, it is, sort of, in that the robbery actually took place, but it's wildly embellished and the injuries a complete fabrication (and the names are changed to make the perp obviously a black guy, his real name was Tracey).

He can whistle for it.

Probably not any more.

I saw this in the news too

[i]his real name was Tracey[/i]

'cos that's a white bloke's name, obvs!

he lost his right to anything...

No he didnt and thats why we are better than them.
I just hope the cameras were faulty when he fell 😉

Sometimes our law system completely amazes me !
he lost his right to anything...

Indeed it seems to amaze you, but we can't help your not getting the nuances of Britain not running a medieval "justice" system.

It's a shocking indictment of britain's criminals that prison guards have had to deal with this man in this way. They should just put him in a cell with Charles Bronson and let the chips fall where they may.

Because we live in a more civilised society than his beloved Islamic State, much as it pisses me off, he has the right to sue if he has a case.

+1 it's what we have to lose if we end up with a simply vindictive justice system.

 

He can whistle for it.

Guilty lol

Nah,treat him with humanity and compassion and show him everyday that WE are better than him. Oh,and if he gets money,let the family of Lee Rigby sue him for every penny.

He has all the sympathy I believe that his situation deserves.

Sometime I like to keep things simple even in complex situations, no reason his time in custody should be pleasant.

So you chop someone head off and now you want to sue the prison service

Just unbelievable !

Why?

I'm not in the least bit surprised that he wants to sue the prison service.

Taking the prison service to court seem perfectly compatible with wanting to chop someone's head off.

Or are beheaders known for their reluctance to sue?

They should just put him in a cell with Charles Bronson and let the chips fall where they may.

Then we'd be no better than ISIS.....

For all those happy for him to get a kicking; what level of criminal are you comfortable for this to occur to?

i.e. when do you give carte blanche for the wardens (and other prisoners) to assault a prisoner? A murderer maybe, a rapist or a burglar or just anyone convicted of anything?

It's a shocking indictment of britain's criminals that prison guards have had to deal with this man in this way. They should just put him in a cell with Charles Bronson and let the chips fall where they may.

Sometimes our law system completely amazes me !

I'm not happy for him to get a kicking.

I'm just finding it difficult to be particularly sympathetic.

Then we'd be no better than ISIS.....

No, we'd be no better than ISIS if we made a low quality video (using technology developed by all the people we purport to hate) of a "soldier" slicing his head off, then crowing about how glorious our army is and how god will give us some jolly nice afterlife reward for all this. Then posting it on the internet.

By comparison, falling down the stairs seems rather humane.

For all those happy for him to get a kicking; what level of criminal are you comfortable for this to occur to?

Middle lane hogging.

Nah,treat him with humanity and compassion and show him everyday that WE are better than him. Oh,and if he gets money,let the family of Lee Rigby sue him for every penny.

This. 100pc this.

Classic abuse of legal aid. If you are a Jihadist why not waste the UK tax payers money like this ?

By comparison, falling down the stairs seems rather humane.

If you're happy condoning violence as being acceptable for revenge, where does it end? AIUI his original crime was supposedly revenge for the deaths against his brothers, by the military, in the Middle East.

May 20, 2011
"The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw ..... injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb after stabbing the Marine," according to a police report.

Sometimes karma is swift. It is true that we should do our best to rise above those who carry out violent acts, but when we succumb to our humanity and administer a bit of a shitkicking to those who live by it, then I can easily be coaxed into turning a blind eye, while quietly smiling.

I suspect he's been encouraged to do this by ISIS. It will stir up interracial hatred in the UK, which will increase the susceptibility of British Muslims to radicalisation, hence feeding the machine.

This kind of story incites even more hatred towards the man. It also helps people think that terrorism is awful - which of course it is.
My concern being a cynic is - is this some kind of propaganda led to help justify the bombings of Syria and wherever else needs bombing (in the mind of our leader)? ie Get everyone so incensed that he's doing it thus reinforcing the idea that bombing is a great idea.

footflaps

They should just put him in a cell with Charles Bronson and let the chips fall where they may.

Then we'd be no better than ISIS.....

I don't agree footflaps. I agree with those saying he shouldn't be tortured, and I do believe one difference in our society and an ISIS society would be how we in the "civilised" world should treat our prisoners....ie not setting them on fire in a cage. However, he is serving a life sentence for a heinous murder and I don't believe that should be a life sentence of watching sky sports and playing pool.

My post was intended to be somewhat tongue in cheek, but if he spends his days avoiding savage beatings from other prisoners I doubt anyone would lose any sleep over it, he chose to be there. I don't think prison staff or anyone in a position of authority should intentionally or systematically abuse him.

Classic abuse of legal aid. If you are a Jihadist why not waste the UK tax payers money like this ?

1) there's no legal aid for personal injury claims

2) the articles don't say he is getting legal aid

3) respected legal journal The Sun (whose article the BBC article is based) even said (had you bothered to read it)

changes to the law mean he is unlikely to get legal aid

[i]I suspect he's been encouraged to do this by ISIS. It will stir up interracial hatred in the UK, which will increase the susceptibility of British Muslims to radicalisation, hence feeding the machine.[/i]

It was/is a tactic for Al Qaeda captives to manipulate the legal system for propaganda to undermine its credibility don't know if ISIS'd be too bothered with this 'tard though

Let him have his few quid, fat lot of good it'll do him in Belmarsh

I suspect he's been encouraged to do this by ISIS.

coaxed into turning a blind eye, while quietly smiling.

Smiling about an imaginary incident of someone getting violently assaulted. Go you.

[b]CLASSIC [/b]JAMBAFACT!

It was/is a tactic for Al Qaeda captives to manipulate the legal system for propaganda to undermine its credibility

Let him have his few quid, fat lot of good it'll do him in Belmarsh

This, he can't use the money and it's obvious it will cause a furore (just look at all the hatred in posts on this thread), so it's only real 'value' is ISIS PR.

[quote=konabunny spake unto the masses, saying]Classic abuse of legal aid. If you are a Jihadist why not waste the UK tax payers money like this ?
JAMBAFACT!
1) there's no legal aid for personal injury claims
2) the articles don't say he is getting legal aid
3) respected legal journal The Sun (whose article the BBC article is based) even said (had you bothered to read it)
changes to the law mean he is unlikely to get legal aid

Yes yes yes - but apart from that, Jamba ia 100% correct. Again!!

Mr 100% wrong yet again - who'd have thought it?

Deserves everything he gets because killing people for your beliefs is horrible - unless it's for Queen and country.

When we blow up, shoot and torture people, it's heroic and noble. Only recently Prince Harry was spitting feathers at the digusting treatment of one of our brave murderers:

http://www.****/news/article-3299606/Jailed-Marine-s-treatment-ludicrous-says-Harry-Sergeant-Blackman-s-wife-praises-Prince-angry-outburst-friends.html

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retro83 - Member

piedi di formaggio - Member

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

Two front teeth.

He is hoping to get them in for Christmas.

I agree with those that say how ever abhorrent his crime was, there is still a duty of care towards him. As said when does a crime determine the level of violence against the criminal.

Also I don't think he had been convicted of the crime at the time of the incident.

When we blow up, shoot and torture people, it's heroic and noble. Only recently Prince Harry was spitting feathers at the digusting treatment of one of our brave murderers:

http://www.****/news/article-3299606/Jailed-Marine-s-treatment-ludicrous-says-Harry-Sergeant-Blackman-s-wife-praises-Prince-angry-outburst-friends.html

I've never been able to work out the outcry about the "unfair" treatment of this soldier. He murdered an injured prisoner and admitted at the time 'I've just broken the Geneva convention'. 😕

I've never been able to work out the outcry about the "unfair" treatment of this soldier. He murdered an injured prisoner and admitted at the time 'I've just broken the Geneva convention'.

Agree, and he got a sentence which reflected all of the obvious mitigating factors.

Strikes me as a very fair result.

Also I don't think he had been convicted of the crime at the time of the incident.

Err yeah...He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack. Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack

Court might have decided he was psychotic.

One of those none of us will be feeling that sympathetic and i begrudge funding his defence and his pay out but how we treat the scumbags in our prison is a measure of how cultured and civilised we are.

It is one of things that separate us from ISIS; we dont kill or damage or harm our prisoners even if we have no personal empathy towards them

If you're happy condoning violence as being acceptable for revenge, where does it end?

Am I condoning that? I think what I said was that I don't have much sympathy:

I'm not happy for him to get a kicking.

I'm just finding it difficult to be particularly sympathetic.

Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

Actually as I remember JHJ thought the whole thing had been staged and had an extensive collection of screengrabs to prove it.

DId he not have some video showing that they never did it and something to do with car position????

Did he 😯

Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

Anyone ever seen the film "They Live" ? I think jivehoneyjive lives in that world and he's the only one who owns a pair of glasses.

Crikey he is still a headline news ... 🙄

We still need to feed him? 😯

Absurdity is he and the like of IS and others despise the west for everything they stand for, especially rights such as this, and yet here he goes asking for such a right.

Well. Either the Law is available to all fairly and as unprejudiced as it can be, or we're all ****ed.

Couldn't care less for the man, but if he's suffered because the people responsible for making sure he doesn't suffer haven't done their jobs properly, then the Law says he has the right to be heard. What he's done previously has no bearing on it, because fairness.

Sort of surprising that a number of folk seem not to have grasped the concept TBH

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

A smaller tooth brush?

retro83 - Member
piedi di formaggio - Member
He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

Two front teeth.

pictonroad - Member
He can whistle for it.

Very good you two.. 😆

"All I want for Christmas is my two front..."

Hold on, he doesn't celebrate Christmas does he?

Err yeah...He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack. Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

I don't dispute the evidence of the case which was overwhelming and compelling, however due legal course still has to be undertaken, and anyone is innocent of a crime until proven guilty.

Also, giving compensation he may receive to the family of Lee Rigby may effectively result in prison guards beating compensation from other inmates in the future.

I do abhorr all of his actions and have not a shred of sympathy for him btw, but we have to suck it up because an alternative justice system would be a lot worse.

Thats quite a jump to make,that PO's will start targeting inmates to help their victims get compensation. But you crack on,it will fill the time till JHJ googles his name and then arrives. But you appear to be applying a double standard,they were cleared.If he is innocent till proven guilty,despite what you term as overwhelming evidence,do they not deserve the same courtesy?

I think he should be treated the same as every other prisoner, no more no less, No special treatment either way.
Condemned to the same mundane life as every other prisoner except for him he knows he will be living this unremarkable life for the rest of his.

I have no reason to believe he did not lose his teeth while reasonable force was being used to restrain him.

So, he is full of hatred and commits violence...now others are full of hatred towards him and think violence should be put upon him...so, if violence is to dealt with by more violence...when does the violence stop?

We seem to be assuming that the prison officers were to blame for the injuries. A police enquiry found no case to answer.

An MoJ spokesman said there had been a police investigation into the incident and no charges had been brought against members of staff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35058076
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While I appreciate the standard of proof for a civil claim is lower it is equally possible that Adebalajo, a violent terrorist, kicked off and was injured while being brought under control. Shit happens. If the only significant injury he received was his front teeth it wasn't much of a kicking.

If it is the case he kicked off I think it's a great result that no prison staff were injured. It's a risk he takes if he kicks off (if that was the case.)

all of the above are suppositions based on the fact that he's found in favour and that he receives a 'substantial payout' (as defined by the average pitchfork wielder on the clapham omnibus)

Smiling about an imaginary incident of someone getting violently assaulted. Go you.

This, mostly. Either we think that prisoners have the right to serve their sentences without being assaulted, or we don't - we don't get to make exceptions for the people we dislike the most.

Article i read mentioned something along the lines of being compensated based on cost of treatment needed.
He should have free dental care in prisson meaning he should be awarded compensation covering that, so nothing.

Didn't he refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the British court at the time of his trial?

If so, perhaps the court should not recognise his claim. You can't have it both ways.

Yes yes yes - but apart from that, Jamba ia 100% correct. Again!!

Looks like he's going to perhaps need a few more fingers for his one hand.

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Absurdity is he and the like of IS and others despise the west for everything they stand for, especially rights such as this, and yet here he goes asking for such a right.

Didn't he refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the British court at the time of his trial?
If so, perhaps the court should not recognise his claim. You can't have it both ways.

lines of being compensated based on cost of treatment

What is more concerning is that this non-news makes the national headlines whilst [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-anti-isis-march-not-covered-by-mainstream-media-outlets-say-organisers-a6765976.html ]Muslims marching against Daesh/IS[/url]
does not.
That is a much more damning indictment of our media bias.

Indeed - There is no longer any legal aid for personal injury cases in the UK - so how is he affording it?

No win no fee?
Judge Rinder?