[Closed] So you chop someone head off and now you want to sue the prison service

Mr 100% wrong yet again - who'd have thought it?

Deserves everything he gets because killing people for your beliefs is horrible - unless it's for Queen and country.

When we blow up, shoot and torture people, it's heroic and noble. Only recently Prince Harry was spitting feathers at the digusting treatment of one of our brave murderers:

http://www.****/news/article-3299606/Jailed-Marine-s-treatment-ludicrous-says-Harry-Sergeant-Blackman-s-wife-praises-Prince-angry-outburst-friends.html

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retro83 - Member

piedi di formaggio - Member

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

Two front teeth.

He is hoping to get them in for Christmas.

I agree with those that say how ever abhorrent his crime was, there is still a duty of care towards him. As said when does a crime determine the level of violence against the criminal.

Also I don't think he had been convicted of the crime at the time of the incident.

When we blow up, shoot and torture people, it's heroic and noble. Only recently Prince Harry was spitting feathers at the digusting treatment of one of our brave murderers:

http://www.****/news/article-3299606/Jailed-Marine-s-treatment-ludicrous-says-Harry-Sergeant-Blackman-s-wife-praises-Prince-angry-outburst-friends.html

I've never been able to work out the outcry about the "unfair" treatment of this soldier. He murdered an injured prisoner and admitted at the time 'I've just broken the Geneva convention'. 😕

I've never been able to work out the outcry about the "unfair" treatment of this soldier. He murdered an injured prisoner and admitted at the time 'I've just broken the Geneva convention'.

Agree, and he got a sentence which reflected all of the obvious mitigating factors.

Strikes me as a very fair result.

Also I don't think he had been convicted of the crime at the time of the incident.

Err yeah...He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack. Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack

Court might have decided he was psychotic.

One of those none of us will be feeling that sympathetic and i begrudge funding his defence and his pay out but how we treat the scumbags in our prison is a measure of how cultured and civilised we are.

It is one of things that separate us from ISIS; we dont kill or damage or harm our prisoners even if we have no personal empathy towards them

If you're happy condoning violence as being acceptable for revenge, where does it end?

Am I condoning that? I think what I said was that I don't have much sympathy:

I'm not happy for him to get a kicking.

I'm just finding it difficult to be particularly sympathetic.

Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

Actually as I remember JHJ thought the whole thing had been staged and had an extensive collection of screengrabs to prove it.

DId he not have some video showing that they never did it and something to do with car position????

Did he 😯

Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

Anyone ever seen the film "They Live" ? I think jivehoneyjive lives in that world and he's the only one who owns a pair of glasses.

Crikey he is still a headline news ... 🙄

We still need to feed him? 😯

Absurdity is he and the like of IS and others despise the west for everything they stand for, especially rights such as this, and yet here he goes asking for such a right.

Well. Either the Law is available to all fairly and as unprejudiced as it can be, or we're all ****ed.

Couldn't care less for the man, but if he's suffered because the people responsible for making sure he doesn't suffer haven't done their jobs properly, then the Law says he has the right to be heard. What he's done previously has no bearing on it, because fairness.

Sort of surprising that a number of folk seem not to have grasped the concept TBH

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

A smaller tooth brush?

retro83 - Member
piedi di formaggio - Member
He's serving a whole life sentence isn't he? What does he need the money for?

Two front teeth.

pictonroad - Member
He can whistle for it.

Very good you two.. 😆

"All I want for Christmas is my two front..."

Hold on, he doesn't celebrate Christmas does he?

Err yeah...He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack. Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

I don't dispute the evidence of the case which was overwhelming and compelling, however due legal course still has to be undertaken, and anyone is innocent of a crime until proven guilty.

Also, giving compensation he may receive to the family of Lee Rigby may effectively result in prison guards beating compensation from other inmates in the future.

I do abhorr all of his actions and have not a shred of sympathy for him btw, but we have to suck it up because an alternative justice system would be a lot worse.

Thats quite a jump to make,that PO's will start targeting inmates to help their victims get compensation. But you crack on,it will fill the time till JHJ googles his name and then arrives. But you appear to be applying a double standard,they were cleared.If he is innocent till proven guilty,despite what you term as overwhelming evidence,do they not deserve the same courtesy?

I think he should be treated the same as every other prisoner, no more no less, No special treatment either way.
Condemned to the same mundane life as every other prisoner except for him he knows he will be living this unremarkable life for the rest of his.

I have no reason to believe he did not lose his teeth while reasonable force was being used to restrain him.

So, he is full of hatred and commits violence...now others are full of hatred towards him and think violence should be put upon him...so, if violence is to dealt with by more violence...when does the violence stop?

We seem to be assuming that the prison officers were to blame for the injuries. A police enquiry found no case to answer.

An MoJ spokesman said there had been a police investigation into the incident and no charges had been brought against members of staff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35058076
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While I appreciate the standard of proof for a civil claim is lower it is equally possible that Adebalajo, a violent terrorist, kicked off and was injured while being brought under control. Shit happens. If the only significant injury he received was his front teeth it wasn't much of a kicking.

If it is the case he kicked off I think it's a great result that no prison staff were injured. It's a risk he takes if he kicks off (if that was the case.)

all of the above are suppositions based on the fact that he's found in favour and that he receives a 'substantial payout' (as defined by the average pitchfork wielder on the clapham omnibus)

Smiling about an imaginary incident of someone getting violently assaulted. Go you.

This, mostly. Either we think that prisoners have the right to serve their sentences without being assaulted, or we don't - we don't get to make exceptions for the people we dislike the most.

Article i read mentioned something along the lines of being compensated based on cost of treatment needed.
He should have free dental care in prisson meaning he should be awarded compensation covering that, so nothing.

Didn't he refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the British court at the time of his trial?

If so, perhaps the court should not recognise his claim. You can't have it both ways.

Yes yes yes - but apart from that, Jamba ia 100% correct. Again!!

Looks like he's going to perhaps need a few more fingers for his one hand.

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Absurdity is he and the like of IS and others despise the west for everything they stand for, especially rights such as this, and yet here he goes asking for such a right.

Didn't he refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the British court at the time of his trial?
If so, perhaps the court should not recognise his claim. You can't have it both ways.

lines of being compensated based on cost of treatment

What is more concerning is that this non-news makes the national headlines whilst [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-anti-isis-march-not-covered-by-mainstream-media-outlets-say-organisers-a6765976.html ]Muslims marching against Daesh/IS[/url]
does not.
That is a much more damning indictment of our media bias.

Indeed - There is no longer any legal aid for personal injury cases in the UK - so how is he affording it?

No win no fee?
Judge Rinder?

If pandering to the odd pisstaker is the price to pay for living in a free & fair society then so what. It's not like he's having the last laugh - he's banged up for life. The UK Government wastes far more than this on a daily basis anyway.

Whenever I see "news" like this I'm immediately suspicious about who's gone to great lengths to ensure it ends up as a headline, and why. (see also: "benefit scroungers").

According to the investigation, there is no crime to answer. That's enough for me.

Probably not the end of the story for someone that understands the difference between civil and criminal law, though.

Couldn't care less what the difference is, I'm happy that nobody under crown employment has done anything wrong.

Thats quite a jump to make,that PO's will start targeting inmates to help their victims get compensation. But you crack on,it will fill the time till JHJ googles his name and then arrives. But you appear to be applying a double standard,they were cleared.If he is innocent till proven guilty,despite what you term as overwhelming evidence,do they not deserve the same courtesy?

It is true that PO's have not neen convicted of anything and they are innocent until proven guilty also, I suppose the tone set by the thread assumes what would happen if they were guilty of wrong doing

I point out that if prison officers are guilty of miconduct and he receives compensation which then goes to to the victims family then it does open the door to potentially similar cases in future.

Link me with JHJ if you like but I don't know what your problem is and am glad you are not in charge of criminal justice in your country.

This, mostly. Either we think that prisoners have the right to serve their sentences without being assaulted, or we don't - we don't get to make exceptions for the people we dislike the most.

Unless on online forums - where revenge fantasies may bear unlimited fantastical intricacies.

I don't have a problem,ATG. You are the one making a case for innocent until proven guilty,unless you are the PO it would seem. All I did was mention your inconsistency in pointing out the difference between him being innocent until proven guilty(which has happened) and you suggesting that( established as innocent)PO's will be starting to target cons to get comp for victims families.Which is a progression only you are able to make it would seem.

and am glad you are not in charge of criminal justice in your country.

duckman - Member

Also I don't think he had been convicted of the crime at the time of the incident.Err yeah...He had been filmed at the scene and carrying out the attack. Even JHJ might find it hard to set him up as a fall guy for lizards living in a hollowed out volcano...Or the Bush family.

I state a fact that the 2 men had not been convicted of the murder of Lee Rigby at the time and you accuse me of being a conspiracy theory fantacist. The only person running with nonsense is you.

I also did not determine guilt of the prison officers. I did pose a question about duty of care and perhaps should also affirmed ot by stating that the officers are also innocent until proven guilty.

I was also careful to say that he "MAY" receive compensation.

wrecker - Member
Couldn't care less what the difference is, I'm happy that nobody under crown employment has done anything wrong.
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If you knew what the difference is, you'd know why your conclusion is unsafe.