Forum menu
Whoa - I adopted the boys because we wanted to, not because they came from abusive back grounds - I feel a bit uncomfortable when people assume (and sadly its adoptive parents themselves, quite often) that adopting kids is some kind of selfless act - it's not, I loved both boys from the start, in exactly the same way as I did the two 'birth children'. It really is no different to having your 'own' kids, and luckily, my two were removed from their 'natural' family at an early stage, and have little or no awareness of that situation. Sorry if I sound a bit sensitive, and certainly dont want to upset anyone with my views.
Peace out y'all.
i had the task of viewing evidence of some child abuse 3 years ago, the videos i viewed affected me badly,i wont suggest on a public forum what should happen to these people. But the abuse they subject to children as young as 3 months is horrific beyond your wildest nightmares, you would not believe it.
Terrible just terrible
i had the task of viewing evidence of some child abuse 3 years ago, the videos i viewed affected me badly
I don't envy you. But let's not forget that the vast majority of the people who carry out such abuse were similarly abused themselves.
We cannot, should not and must not create a justice system based upon the reactionary & emotional need (of an enraged minority) for revenge.
This is my position also.
I am a father of two children, although older than those abused in this case. If anybody hurt them then like most people (I suspect) I would inflict terrible physical damage upon the perpetrators.
However, and maybe paradoxically, I would not want to be part of a society that condoned my actions and would not want my actions to be undertaken for me by the state in the form of legalised torture or capital punishment.
grumm - the figures would suggest youre right, but that doesnt excuse the behaviour or take away the responsibility. Sexualised behaviour from an early age can lead to the view that it is 'normal', and that is why its so important to break into the cycle early, rather than relying on punitive measures when it's too late. This, in my opinion, is where we fail people in this country - more money should be provided by our governments to improve health and social care, instead of relying on an overcrowded and underfunded prison service.
There is (I presume) an enormous amount of illicit sexual urges around. People, many of whom we would not necessarily think of as monsters, are endlessly fantasizing about people who they simply aren't going to have sex with - colleagues, friend's wives, people of the same sex who are decidedly hetero, people they saw on the bus, models, TV stars, porn stars etc. These fantasies hardly ever (as a proportion of fantasies engaged in) spill over into rape. There must also (I suspect) be a huge number of people who have at some stage entertained the idea of sex with siblings, animals and indeed children without ever actually doing it.
Equally, there are plenty of people who live their entire lives sexually fixated on one particular person they can't have, or on people of the same sex when they simply aren't going to have sexual relations with them for religious/moral or legal reasons.
Sexual abstinence is not particularly abnormal, and not acting on desires that we know to be inappropriate is very, very common. We all do it.
I think what I certainly don't really understand is what happens between someone looking at very young children and feeling sexual desire for those children and them actually doing something about it. What proportion of the people who look at a three year old and want to have sexual contact with one get anywhere near that point? Perhaps it is impossible to know. If the proportion is actually rather low (if most people with such urges never have sex with a child), then it doesn't seem much of a reach to say that the widespread public hysteria over this issue is deeply unhelpful to preventing it happening. It may be that the absolutely, positively best thing that could happen would be that most of those people who realised they had sexual urges towards children felt tolerably confident about walking into a doctor's surgery and explaining that they had this difficulty, knew it was problematic and wanted help with arranging their heads so that they never did what they sometimes thought about doing.
I rather doubt that many of them do this at present, though I don't know. Presumably, while you can't "cure" a paedophile anymore than you can "cure" a homosexual you can help them not to act on what they fantasize about, and thereby reduce the actual risk that they pose to anyone to an acceptably low level. Most of us have never raped an adult woman afterall, although many of us are big, strong and want people who aren't interested in us. We just have our heads adjusted so that we understand that there are lines you do not cross.
People, afterall, are not fundamentally defined by their sexuality. The fact that someone has sexual desires for children need not make them a monster, as long as those desires are [u]never[/u] acted upon. Polanski is a case in point. If he was a brilliant film director who had never raped a teenager we would have no problem with him at all, although we might not want to see inside his head some days. Likewise, there are certainly plenty of catholic priests who are homosexuals and have never, ever felt up a choirboy. They are far more than the sexual urges that they restrain and keep in check.
Don't know. 😐
Sadly BigDummy, the vast majority of abuse, both sexual and otherwise, takes place within families. This is most likely due to firstly the opportunity being present, and secondly the circumstances that allow 'grooming' to take place, so bad news for the daily mail, it's unusual to find paedophiles lurking on every street corner.
That isnt to say that predatory paedophiles dont exist, of course they do, just that this kind of abuse is more likely to be due to the actions of a friend or family member.
lethal injection in the neck, in a nice cold cell with no one they know around them, let it drag on a bit too, with a couple of evil sadistic screws to do the job.
Ton stfu
Sorry Ton, but has anyone got any realistic views or suggestions to make?
...
fella's it's friday......
lighten up.
but just remember, when your son/daughter gets raped/buggered/sodomised...........
what you gonna want done........??
but just remember, when your son/daughter gets raped/buggered/sodomised...........
what you gonna want done........??
I dunno, I'd rather cross that bridge if I come to it rather than fantasizing about it in expectation of it happening thanks.
lighten up.
You're the one fantasizing about torturing and murdering an imaginary paedo who has buggered your kids. 🙄
Ton - I believe I already pointed out that I know how I would feel (go back a few posts and read it again), but fantasising about torturing and killing paedophiles is both futile and unrealistic, and ultimately makes no difference.
...
BigDummy, harsh mate......i was only playing...and nicely too.
[i]and nicely too[/i]
Matter of opinion. Anyway, self-moderated, and apologies for getting irritated. 🙂
accepted mate........
and sorry back for being a big fat big mouth...... 8)
I completely agree with BigDummy. My problem with paedophiles isn't that they have urges, but that they seek to satisfy those urges. If I had those urges and thought that I might want to satisfy them, I would get help. There are quite a few women that I would rather like to have sex with, the day that feel any urge to rape them, I will see a doctor.
There is no excuse for paedophilia, although there might be some explanations.
Well if you ask me people should sometimes consider the fact that all this peadophile hysteria is whipped up by tabloid newspapers who at the same time have pictures of 17 year olds with their tits out or pictures of teenage celebrities either sunbathing or getting out of taxis in a compromising position. Funny how there's not the same fervour for stringing up newspaper editors though.
excellent post BigDummy (the long one)
Yarp, what I was trying to allude to. Unfortunately I do not have BDs talent with words.
I want to have intercourse with pretty much any good to fair looking woman with a good set of cans, i cannot be reprogrammed to suddenly not want to like women with big cans.
We must accept that we cannot change a peado and start controlling them more effectively.
And about bloody time! Glad to see the more positive posts creeping in.
Couldn't we just abolish 'suicide watch' in prisons for people who freely admit their guilt...
Blimey - we haven't moved on from the medievil period have we - Kill the witch. Seems a lot of people here want to bring back 'an eye for an eye'. Glad I am not on the receiveing end of mob culture at present. So people are sickened (myself included BTW 😡 ) by child abuse but then would happily kill the perpetrator. So unlawful killing is OK but child abuse isn't. Hmmmm....
Ton you seem to have missed my point (possibly because of being blinded by your own hate). But your starting to sound a little bit like them with your social Darwinism.
Apparently one of the families of those involved would like the perpetrators skinned and rolled in salt according to the newspaper I found in Costa today.
So that's nice.
😯 why???
double post.
I cannot comprehend what they did, therefore I can't comprehend what punishment would befit the crime.
Possibly the most shocking crime I have ever heard about that hasn't involved the taking of a life. Perhaps only because it involved at least two female perpetrators.
As they said on the BBC news last night - the actual details of what they did to these children could not be reported as it was too shocking.
I am sure their respective stays in prison will not be pleasant - the one crime all inmates hate is paedo crime. And there will be lots of prison officers looking the other way too.
not read whole thread but I think that sex crimes to
children are crimes against humanity. They are of a factor and a degree (much like war crimes) that puts them outside normal criminal behaviour and into some sort of abhorent category of behaviour. It means I abondon all thought of my ususl bleeding heart lefty liberal tendencies and just dont want to share a world with scum like them.
[i]the one crime all inmates hate is paedo crime. [/i]
Awesome. This forum accurately reflects the opinions of convicted criminals. 🙂
[url=
information on paedophiles for STW readers[/url]