[Closed] So why do we let these people ? live ?

How does anyone imagine a UK state execution in these times ?
What odds on video footage being on the web within minutes, after all if the 'baying punters' don't actually get to see 'their' blood spilled they won't be happy will they ?
And what if the prospect of being publicly executed would actually encourage some severely disturbed individuals to commit ever more heinous crimes - as has been said, being 'caught' is not a factor in this type of behaviour, it seems to be risk based and we all know that the higher the stakes, the higher the thrill..........

if we're going to go with the kill 'em just in case risk assessment argument, let's start with....

Actually you should start by killing children who have been sexually abused. As they are by far, the most likely to become paedophiles.

Once these people start committing sick crimes, why give them the chance to do it again?
If they were properly dealt with i.e 'life in jail' or 'put to sleep' then there'd be no such thing as re-offending.

good point ernie, do you think all the right wing murder mongers will go for it though? it seems a bit weak willed and liberal to me.

Yeah, proactive executions 😈
Two of the convicted were well overweight, I've never trusted a fatty - kill them when their BMI exceeds 30, sure a few rugby players may go down in the process but hey, they'll just be collateral damage......

Sex crimes, murders, the mass underclass, drugs, theft.
These crimes/ people are all escalating year after year because of the failure of the justice system, which over the last 50 years has year on year become more relaxed in its way of dealing with it.

Just seen this :

ton - Member

shame on you......
you soft lefty fool.

ton ......... it has nothing to do with being a lefty. Not executing paedophiles is also Conservative Party policy.

[i]Sex crimes, murders, the mass underclass, drugs, theft.[/i]

sounds more like a failure of the social welfare system to me

These crimes/ people are all escalating year after year because of the failure of the justice system, which over the last 50 years has year on year become more relaxed in its way of dealing with it.

Criminal behavior is not best dealt with by punishment but by removing the means and incentives to commit the crimes.

steffybhoy - Member

Sex crimes, murders, the mass underclass, drugs, theft.
These crimes/ people are all escalating year after year because of the failure of the justice system, which over the last 50 years has year on year become more relaxed in its way of dealing with it.

Wrong!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/16/crime-survey-murder-rate-lowest

These crimes/ people are all escalating year after year because of the failure of the justice system, which over the last 50 years has year on year become more relaxed in its way of dealing with it.

These crimes/ people are all escalating year after year because of the failure of the justice system, which over the last 50 years has year on year become more relaxed in its way of dealing with it.

Evidence?

Sex crimes, murders, the mass underclass, drugs, theft.
are about the same as they've always per head of population,BUT the increase in mass media hysteria to sell copy has definately increased. You can guarantee that millions of parents will now be in a panic about letting their children go to nursery, or play out side, or use the internet. Stories about the fact that most abuse happens within families, just doesn't ignite the mob in the same way.

Wrong!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/16/crime-survey-murder-rate-lowest

Hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good argument.....

...personally I blame Thatcher

Anyway, more to the point! WTF am I doing on a greedy middleclass orientated website giving an uneducated opinion.
Earn more, ignore more by throwing money at it.

BUT the increase in mass media hysteria to sell copy has definitely increased.

If it bleeds, it leads.....

...a greedy middleclass orientated website...

Actually I'm more your [i]mass underclass[/i] than [i]greedy middleclass[/i]

Murder rate lowest?
What about the number of deals done with the prosecution dropping murder to manslaughter for a guilty plea?

We do need to remove these people from society, but killing them is not an acceptable option, and imprisonment is expensive. What we need is a place of exile where they can be kept at no expense to the state.

The UK has large tracts of land in Antarctica. We could drop them off there with a few fleeces and cans of beans and leave them to become self-sufficient. There's no children there, so they couldn't backslide, and after a suitable period of good behaviour, we could let them come home. I suggest 70 years.

now, now, hilldodger, don't upset the stereotype you'll make people sulk 😀

What about the number of deals done with the prosecution dropping murder to manslaughter for a guilty plea?

Maybe the prosecution don't have enough evidence to gain a safe conviction?

just 1 question to all you guys who think it is wrong to execute people who commit sick crimes against babies/toddlers/children.

how many of you are parents.

Dinnae patronise me laddie.
If you were underclass you would'nt be on a mtb website.
I deal with the underclass day in day out.
Surrounded by them. The disruption of the underclass kids in main stream schools is at an all time high, and is now affecting the education of kids who are there to learn.

LOL at lots of these posts. I reckon I'm the only person on Singletrack who actually works with offenders on a daily basis, (i.e. as a prison officer/screw..whatever, & TJ doesn't count cos he's a nurse/MH..whatever, etc) This morning I was detailed IDTS (Integrated Drug Treatment System) so was working with 82, thats eighty two, smackheads (don't go P.C. cos I couldn't give a toss, they ARE smackheads)who are all on varying doses of methodone. SOME, but not all, are genuinely trying to reduce the amount of meth they are on & understand the gravity of the situation they are in. Others simply couldn't give a flying **** & carry on trading medication etc & probably know they'll be in & out of prison for the foreseeable future.
I know it's not right but when my colleagues & myself are on duty on an evening we often talk about which prisoners would, err...not be missed, & out of a wing spur of 90 we'll be popping off about 75! That's just smackheads, not paedo's!

I am a parent and believe that murder is wrong, I even go so far as to teach that to my kids.

State sanctioned murder is still murder.

Also for all those who pine for the "good old days" would these be the good old days of the holocaust, mass murder of Japanese civilians by Atomic weapons, or just the regular mass murder of one another during war for long dead ideals.

Killing each other is not the way forward as any fule noe.

Adding smackheads, the underclass, disruptive children and any other undesirables into this thread for those to be killed makes me shudder.

you could just build some gas chambers and furnaces out back of the prison

sorry goodwins law discussion ends even if it means i loose

I am, and more importantly someone very close to me was seriously ****ed up in a catholic run childrens home so I know the lasting damamge that abuse causes, unlike a lot of the "kill 'em all" brigade on here!

By wanting to kill, tortue,destroy all you are doing is lessening youself, not improving society. If we remove all the sex criminals,the other criminals, the mentally deficient, the disabled, the elderly,those who are differnt from us , where do you stop? until it's ton's law and anyone you don't like the look of, you execute just in case.

joolsburger - Member

I am a parent and believe that murder is wrong, I even go so far as to teach that to my kids.

wot he/she said

Actually ess, I used to work regularly with offenders but it was the attitude of my "yeah, who'd miss 'em" colleagues that made me leave that area of work.

The comments from people who knew the perpetrators of the crimes in question here were all of the typical "who'd've thought it" type - if potential abusive offenders fitted an easy to stereotype profile it would be easy to prevent their crimes.

Revenge is not justice.

I know it's not right but when my colleagues & myself are on duty on an evening we often talk about which prisoners would, err...not be missed, & out of a wing spur of 90 we'll be popping off about 75! That's just smackheads, not paedo's!

You should all be sacked then as you're clearly in the wrong job. If it wasn't for the pointless policy of criminalising heroin use none of these people would even be in prison in the first place.

I is a he.

tazzymtb

i never said what you are imlying.
i said anyone who commits crimes on babies and such deserve to die.

Deserves to die? - Seriously think about what you're saying.

esselgruntfuttock - Member

LOL at lots of these posts. I reckon I'm the only person on Singletrack who actually works with offenders on a daily basis....

Actually you're not. Barnsleymitch works with paedophiles everyday. Although I'm not sure how much he likes to talk about it, quote :

[i]"I, like many folk, go to work, then come home and try and 'switch off' -an absolute necessity in my line of work...[/i]"

We could start a british one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4. Herr Ton could manage it and supervise a load of the other blind/terminally unreasonable fascists on this thread!

am not a parent but worked a summer at a camp for troubled kids some of whom had been abused - what little i was aware of their history was truly disturbing

esselgruntfuttock? Don't envy your Job.

We've created a society of druggers, muggers, abusers etc.
The jails are full because it's to soft.
Keep them in for the full duration, confine them to cell 23hrs/day, no visits, 30 mins cowlick time per day.
No television, no drugs, no interaction, no playstations or games.
Just good old hard time.
Give the above 5 yrs then re-assess the crime figures.

steffybhoy we netter start building a lot more prisons then locking them all up would be a massive job

So how do you deal with someone who kills/tortures/degrades a person they honestly and sincerely believe 'deserves it' ???

The jails are full because it's to soft.

The jails are full because of the opposite you ****ing moron.

joolsburger
you take your 18 month old to nursary
you leave them in the care of someone you think is suitable.
when you go the person commits terrible sex acts on them whilst photoing it.
and you think they deserve to live......
and you are a parent...........
you think about it..

never said what you are imlying.
i said anyone who commits crimes on babies and such deserve to die.

once you start state sanctioned murder it builds up it's own momentum FFS would you execute someone for cicrumising a child? it'll count as child abuse according to some of the posts on here 2nite

wee-al
did the germans deserve to die for their crimes......
did adolf and his cronies deserve to die

of ****ing course they did...

We cannot, should not and must not create a justice system based upon the reactionary & emotional need (of an enraged minority) for revenge.

Grumm? explain yourself you ****ing moron.