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Pork markets never fails to crack me up
The look afterwards that says 'Why aren't you all cheering?' is absolute desperation personified
As ever I'm in a conundrum. The short termist in me would like the sanest bod for the job. Not a ****ing clue who that is mind, but it would seem an honourable wish.
The long gamer in me would like them to dredge up the most horrific turd imaginable, ideally far right. If the less rabid of the electorate that voted tory in 2019, can't stomach them at the next GE then happy days, we punt the tories out of power. If the more gammony english residents still vote them in, the case for Scottish independence is a little stronger. Either way, it's a win of sorts.
When the result comes in, do they announce it by releasing blue smoke from Conservative Party Central HQ?
They have it printed on a Union Jack banner then fly a Spitfire around the country towing it
Sky News: Conservative leadership race: Date new prime minister will be announced is revealed.
https://news.sky.com/story/number-of-conservative-mps-vying-to-replace-boris-johnson-could-be-narrowed-down-after-1922-committee-changes-rules-12650178
£300,000 spending limit for each candidate (excluding travel expenses) - an increase on 2019
UK politics becomes more like US politics with every year that passes.
Why on earth does a politician need to spend that much money arguing their case to members of their own party?
Plunging into the abyss - braverman has said there are too many people on benefits and she would cut the size of the welfare state.
Thst's viagra and multiple orgasms for paid up tory party members.
Are any of these candidates NOT fully bought and paid for by the ERG?
Yes, but you don’t want them to be PM either.
Quietly hoping that the candidate chosen is so bad it splits off more MPs, and we get a general election against the wishes of the new PM.
Javid has put a lot of energy into telling Tory MPs just how bad their party looks to voters right now, and where they might be heading… down the dumper… but then offering little in way of explaining how he can change that. Good positive stuff for the non-Tory voter. Going well.
Rishi or Penny.... Penny has more kerb appeal for the gammons.. military, "fatcher 2.0" nice hair, not Rishi...
Rishi not liked in his constituency, his office is in Northallerton not Richmond and lets just say when he was running against Councillor Blakie for the constituency nomination there were some challenging signs in local fields and roadsides "vote Blackie not p***" yes i am surrounded by charming people.
I think Rishi might come second.
I wouldn’t bet against Sunak and Patel being the final two. Which could increase Sunak’s chances with the members. There are a lot of declared candidates that are likely to be developing their support only to fall behind one of those two. I don’t see Hunt being allowed through again, and Javid’s recent behaviour will have lost him support from all sides of the parliamentary party. Mordaunt’s campaign will implode when the voting starts. Truss is a joke candidate that I fear has no chance of getting past the MPs… as someone who wants the Tories out as soon as possible for as long as possible, MPs choosing her would be a welcome shock… I can see the membership getting behind her… December election please.
You'd really hope.....really really hope - that if Truss does not win, JRM and Dorres are destined for the backbenches, or in my wildest dreams deselected.
I really really hope they have key roles in the new government, that doesn’t last ‘till Christmas. MPs will want to keep their seats though… they supported Johnson because he could work his majick to get people to vote for him/them… they won’t want people hanging around who will lose them votes. The Johnson hangers on will be pushed aside. Which reminds me… Shapps (or whatever he’s called currently)… no chance… his willingness to go out and lie for Johnson mean nothing to his fellow MPs now… they won’t be interested in him leading them.
The long gamer in me would like them to dredge up the most horrific turd imaginable, ideally far right. If the less rabid of the electorate that voted tory in 2019, can’t stomach them at the next GE then happy days,
That's what folks said when Trump running for president was still a joke
I find it remarkable that Mad Nads and The Haunted Pencil think anyone gives a shit about who they back.
I don't think it's about what people think that counts here. Liz Truss has currently 15 MPs endorsing her, she needs another 5 to move forward in the contest.
If Dorries and Mog endorse her tomorrow she will be closer to her target.
That’s what folks said when Trump running for president was still a joke
Yeah it's weird how some people who were constantly riling against Johnson, pretty much suggesting that he was the worse Tory politician who has ever existed, are now claiming that they would like whoever replaces him to be even worse.
Either because it would apparently be highly amusing or because it would really piss off voters.
The likely effect on the lives of ordinary people appears to be inconsequential to them.
there were some challenging signs in local fields and roadsides “vote Blackie not p***”
Bearing in mind that the votes will fall to the "send them back where they came from" brigade that is the bulk of paid-up Tory party members, I would be astonished if anyone with a bit of a tan stood even the remotest of chances.
The likely effect on the lives of ordinary people appears to be inconsequential to them.
We need this government out. If Tory MPs and members pick someone that shatters their parliamentary party, brings on an early election, and loses it… ordinary people stand a better chance of a government that acts more in their interest.
I would be astonished if anyone with a bit of a tan stood even the remotest of chances.
It now looks increasingly likely, based on the growing support he is getting from Tory MPs, that Sunak will be one of the two names on the ballot paper put to Tory Party members, I really can't imagine he won't be.
There is currently absolutely no way of knowing which other name will be on the ballot paper but based on the make-up of the Parliamentary Tory Party those not backing Sunak will almost certainly back a hard-right candidate.
Given a choice between Sunak and a hard-right candidate I think it is highly probable that the Tory crazies in the constituencies will back the hard-right candidate.
Given the fact that a fair few hard-right leadership candidates have brown skin if it is one of them colour obviously won't be an issue. If it's a white one like Truss it might be an issue but they were always likely to vote hard-right anyway so it will be of no significance.
No one can predict who will replace Johnson but it is reasonable to assume that it will either be someone more right-wing like Sunak, or someone very much more right-wing.
Quite possibly brown skinned, quite possibly female.
Sunak and Patel is a very likely final combination that could be put to the membership. If she stands. Does anyone really think she won’t? And Sunak is popular with members. He’d walk it.
If the MPs let Truss through, the members will go with her. Voters won’t be keen on that. MPs know what to do.
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Free MemberI find it remarkable that Mad Nads and The Haunted Pencil think anyone gives a shit about who they back.
Oh I think a lot of the .29% idolise one or the other
If Tory MPs and members pick someone that shatters their parliamentary party,
Whichever two names are on the final ballot paper they will only get there after having received significant support from Parliamentary Party.
The idea that the Parliamentary Tory Party might turn against them isn't feasible. There might be a few disaffected individual Tory MPs, although probably not, but it won't make any difference as the Tories have a 70 plus majority. No dissatisfied Tory is going to force an early general election.
I have no doubt that Boris will be looking to throw his hat into the ring if he can surreptitiously gather enough support.
Winning that confidence vote means that he could within the rules… but will he if he knows he’d lose horribly? And in votes this week he would. He may well be hoping something comes up before September to change his fortunes as PM. He won’t have given up hope entirely. But he won’t put his name in this week. It would be an embarrassing total defeat if he did.
@kelvin - Yes, that's why he's played it out this way; it still gives him hope. There's no other reason to trade dignity to remain as a lame-duck like this. Odds are probably against him I agree, but tomorrow is a new day in politics. This strategy is entirely befitting his narcissistic personality; he thinks he's Churchill and this could be his 'Churchillian moment'.
The absolute worse thing about this sham of an election is that Labour can say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, because they instituted the same dumb arrangement with their own party emnership.
It's f***ing monkey tennis.
Bearing in mind that the votes will fall to the “send them back where they came from” brigade that is the bulk of paid-up Tory party members, I would be astonished if anyone with a bit of a tan stood even the remotest of chances.
You are not getting how these people think. There are good brown people and bad brown people which changes to suit the scenario.
Sunak and Patel is a very likely final combination that could be put to the membership. If she stands. Does anyone really think she won’t? And Sunak is popular with members. He’d walk it.
He certainly would. I remember seeing Patel at the very bottom of tory member popularity where Sunak was at the top. I always assumed the tory members would love Patel but maybe she is too much of a **** even for them?
Sunak is the only one not wildly throwing around unaffordable uncosted tax cuts and appears to be advocating policy that might survive first contact with reality, so in the post Brexit La-La-land that is the UK economy that will be his undoing.
The Tory membership don’t want reality in any form, they want their Brexit fantasyland retold to them like it’s all going brilliantly, so it’s now apparently going to fund massive tax cuts for them
https://twitter.com/johnjcrace/status/1546575748005347335?s=21&t=PvCmLjV282-RNLkMCSgqGg
Oh I think a lot of the .29% idolise one or the other
Curious thing, the only publicly stated (from Joe Public) support Ive seen for the Haunted Pencil, both online and in person. Has come from working class northerners (in England), and theyve also usually cited "well spoken intelligence" as a key reason.
Whether hes a **** or not, didnt seem to factor.
There might be support further south than I venture in England (Northants way) dunno.
so it’s now apparently going to fund massive tax cuts for them
That's not that unfeasible, it's just that the rest of us (working, with mortgages, with children, etc etc) will pay more to fund it.
“well spoken intelligence”
They're conflating the two. Well spoken does not equal intelligence, especially in Mogg's case. But if one speaks well about Brexit, one is deemed to be intelligent.
You couldn't make it up.
Well - someones made that up! ^^^^
Sorry, having trouble telling the difference between reality and satire these days. 🙂
You can see his real logo in use here…
…he may well be a bit of tit, but that other logo is “made up”.
Editor of Conservative Home reckons it will be Sunak plus the right winger of choice of MPs goes to the Conservative Members. So strong possibility of a Truss or Mordaunt as next PM
The likely effect on the lives of ordinary people appears to be inconsequential to them.
Unfortunately until "ordinary people" actually fully experience where the Tory Party has gone (and is going) it won't make them really think about the consequences - basically they need to understand what not having access to free-at-source healthcare really means to them. This is the one 'policy' that the majority of UK folk just don't have a lived-in experience of living without.
That’s not that unfeasible, it’s just that the rest of us (working, with mortgages, with children, etc etc) will pay more to fund it.
When I had a mortgage (up to mid 2000's) the normal 'margin' for the vast majority of borrowers was 1% above Base Rate, it's now 4%. Where is that money going?
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/11/average-svr-mortgage-paid-uk-borrowers-tops-5-per-cent
plus the right winger of choice of MPs
Yup, the idea that a right-winger who does not meet with the approval of Tory MPs might be elected as leader is wishful thinking by some.
Whoever the eventual the winner is it is extremely likely that they will lurch the Tory Party significantly to the right.
I intensely disliked Johnson when he was London mayor as the alternative was Ken Livingstone. I disliked him far less as Tory leader as the most likely alternative was considerably more right-wing.
My comfortable middle class aunt and cousin love JRM and Johnson. Rabid brexiteers as well.
Sorry, having trouble telling the difference between reality and satire these days. 🙂
Seems Penny (nor any of her team) had watched the New Statesman. Life imitating art…
https://twitter.com/dave_blogs/status/1546565053213704193?s=21&t=PvCmLjV282-RNLkMCSgqGg
Ship all 11 out to Rwanda, take away their passports, and give them each a bundle of cash, and a wonky PAG phone. First one back to No.10 gets to be PM
Shame that wasn't the selection process when Rory Stewart was a candidate.