We are once again going to have to add the caveat 'so far....' to the title 'the worst prime minister ever'
Thats the fourth time running now
From Conservative Home (I went so you don't have to)
Here are the run-off scores from our latest Next Tory Leader survey for the top three candidates in the Parliamentary Party ballot.
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Penny Mordaunt: 41 per cent. (Last Monday: 58 per cent.)
Rishi Sunak: 43 per cent. (Last Monday: 31 per cent.)
Don’t know: 15 per cent. (Last Monday: 13 per cent.)
(844 votes cast.)
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Rishi Sunak: 42 per cent (Last Monday: 34 per cent.)
Liz Truss: 49 per cent. (Last Monday: 51 per cent.)
Don’t know: 9 per cent. (Last Monday: 15 per cent.)
(845 votes cast.)
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Penny Mordaunt: 41 per cent. (Last Monday: 51 per cent.)
Liz Truss: 48 per cent. (Last Monday: 33 per cent.)
Don’t know: 11 per cent. (Last Monday: 16 per cent.)
(845 votes cast.)
I put a bet on Liz Truss as next PM last September at 5/1
I put 3 £10 bets on 8 July on the ones I thought would get to the end.
Truss 9:1
Mordaunt 6:1
Little Rishi 10:3
So i,m up if any of them win
Truss has the highest cash out of £30
Mordant is £10 cashout
Ritzi is £10.80 cashout
So looks like the bookie is worried about Liz the most !
( aren't we all)
Whilst typing that Mordant has gone down to £9.35......
Is it a cunning plan to make me cash out ?
The plus side being that surely, surely(?), Labour can beat a Truss-led Tory party at the next general election.
The negative being that they can just go on offering to be the same but a "safer pair of hands" rather than offering any kind of alternative direction.
but as they’re not likely to be of benefit to Tory voters
Well you say that but I thought Tory voters now came from all over the place and were not just The Surrey Pensioners.
Labour having the best fun with this
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1549337977704402954?t=hqvT_C7_rUMmq0y4NbxPHA&s=19
I put a bet on Liz Truss as next PM last September at 5/1
I can only commend you on your farsightedness on this one
Labour having the best fun with this
That was amazing!
It's finally clicked why Truss and Rishi pulled out of the debate yesterday
Truss! Oh sweet Jesus!
What would her cabinet look like?
No doubt a shower of shitehawks and privileged miscreants, but who would it be?
(Not sure if I really want to know)
It’s finally clicked why Truss and Rishi pulled out of the debate yesterday
Conservative home were suggesting it prior to them pulling out it would be a good idea to end as apparently were lots of senior party officials.
It’s finally clicked why Truss and Rishi pulled out of the debate yesterday
Yep its an insane political position to put yourself in.
Pointing out that the last 12 years have been so bad under your parties leadership,
whilst the incumbent PM is trying to tell everyone how good it is.
You can't attack against your own party just to get the top job, its an insane own goal.
The harsh spotlight of truth they are weilding is just total bonkers.
Yep its an insane political position to put yourself in
We live in insane times.
Yep its an insane political position to put yourself in
Not necessarily. In any sane political system you’d have candidates who could talk about their own achievements in government (in this case: absolutely nothing), then articulate their vision for the next couple of years with them at the helm (the sum total of ‘vision’ in this case being economically illiterate uncosted, unfounded tax cuts)
So this isn’t a sane political system. It’s a million miles from that. This is the madhouse of Post-Brexit Britain where all political discourse has been reduced to peddling outrageous lies, but just shouting louder.
Of course this system, such as it is, having delivered King Boris will now serve us up PM Truss. It was inevitable
She’s going to have to go some to be the worst prime minister ever, but she will certainly be the thickest. She’s so dense, light bends around her
Labour having the best fun with this
…and still they fail to say what they’d do differently.
They’ve got two years to convince people, no good releasing a manifesto a couple of months before the next general election. People will have made their minds up by then.
The finger-pointing game doesn’t work.
They’ve got two years to convince people
Unless a snap election is called, which personally I think is unlikely, in which case as little as 25 days.
I totally agree that counterarguments and alternative policies to the Tories should be offered to the electorate right now.
Convincing voters to reject the Tory narrative and sign up to a fundamentally different one is very unlikely to be a quick process, it needs to begin as soon as possible.
Plus the earlier the support is established the more stable it is likely to be - people who change their minds at the last minute are just as likely to change it back.
The problem however is that the present regime in control of the Labour Party does not have an alternative vision or agenda to that of the Tories. Nor do they want to have imo.
They just want to be in government and enjoy the unique pleasures of being transported in chauffeur driven ministerial limousines as so well epitomised by Nick Clegg. And then bugger off to enjoy generously rewarded careers exploiting the connections which they established whilst in government - the revolving door is hard for any career politician to resist.
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Free MemberI read an interesting article in last month’s Economist yesterday..
In the decade from 1997 to the financial crash, UK productivity was second only to the US amongst the G20 nations.
Though as ever we have to remember that what we measure as "productivity" isn't actually productivity at all. Real world productivity is incredibly hard to measure- it's not even easy to agree on what it is. So instead we have a synthetic definition which has the advantage of being easy to measure and the disadvantage of not really measuring productivity.
Which is fine, it's still a useful tool for some specific things. It only goes wrong when people try to use it as an analogue for real productivity- but that happens essentially all the time.
(the world's full of things like this. I used to work in a job whose outcomes were really hard to measure, for a company that was obsessed with metrics, so they just picked up a few things that were easy to measure and used that as our entire performance metric. None of it captured what we really did, some of it was completely out of our control, but it was easy to measure...)
Catching up on the news. Seems like we’re finally going to have a radical as PM. Solidarity Liz! ✊
https://twitter.com/cllrdavidcox/status/759747222984495104?s=21&t=iIahbMEwEs1yb_-wnTR-Sw
Yup, looks increasingly like Truss will be the next UK PM.
Is this the bottom of the barrel yet? They can’t keep getting worse can they…
I still can't quite believe that the Tories are considering putting Truss in 🤣
Saying that the membership seems to have completely lost the plot
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372954416381952?t=VZjtfV1TdQOWteQ9m7ax5g&s=19
Is this the bottom of the barrel yet?
She's going to deliver pork barrel markets.
please let them put Boris on the vote. It’ll be an even more glorious farce.
And there's the full trump option.
PM Elizabeth 1st.. probably how she views it.
Thicker than Boris, that took some flushing out.
I actually think that the the membership are right,they did vote for him to be the pm and didn’t get a vote to remove him.
Letting the Tory mp’s decide they want a change of leader seems undemocratic well the same as letting the Membership pick the next pm.
The news ramming it down our throats of an ‘election’ that we cannot vote in also seems mad.
they’re only able to do this if they have cash in reserve provided by savers
Sorry, but that's not how modern commercial banks work.
they’re only able to do this if they have cash in reserve provided by savers
There is a reserve system between commercial banks and the BOE but nothing to do with savers.
An other note let's just say the majority of politicians and parties are simply out of ideas, and have nowhere to go other than argue about tax cuts.
Between them they've ruined the notion of how government spending works, and saddled themselves with a restrictive debate that I can barely listen to about funding public services.
Whilst we all suffer.
I predict (no real time frame) that the government of the day's hand will eventually be forced on spending due to things getting so bad.
I actually think that the the membership are right,they did vote for him to be the pm and didn’t get a vote to remove him.
Letting the Tory mp’s decide they want a change of leader seems undemocratic well the same as letting the Membership pick the next pm.
Well, I suppose there are other parties available, whoever said this was a democratic process? Yes there's some voting involved, not necessarily the same thing as democracy though...
I'm looking forward to it now, Truss as PM will be hilarious, obviously a disaster, but wouldn't that be the case with any of them?
Yep…. I don’t think the smart people are being allowed to rise to the top and we are getting the old guard who have nothing to bring to the table.
The brilliant ideas of deregulating the finance just makes me think they are gearing up for financial companies that take your money promise the earth and then go pop and they can just read you the small print. Ah you didn’t read the small print sir.
Thicker than Boris, that took some flushing out.
I don't think Boris is actually thick, just completely unsuited to any position of authority.
I predict (no real time frame) that the government of the day’s hand will eventually be forced on spending due to things getting so bad.
Ah the north will get that promised HS2 railway and the 40 hospitals shalt be built.
It’s the weird thing about his lies, there was no reason not to actually do them for real.
Based upon beatability in an election and entertainment value as a cherry on top, I hope Truss wins.
She's so busy repeating the words delivering/ delivered/ delivered that she has little time for much else hopefully.
Hopefully her utter incompetence limits the damage she causes... Though I see Northern Ireland potentially exploding. She will see that as a price worth paying though.
Actually, she is pretty dangerous, but they all are.
@rone Thanks for that easy to follow explanation of commercial banking and how government spending "creates" money.
Whether I'll remember all of it in the future is another thing.
I predict (no real time frame) that the government of the day’s hand will eventually be forced on spending due to things getting so bad.
Don't hold your breath.
Look at where the states is.
Actually, she is pretty dangerous
Like a monkey with a machine gun.
Yep…. I don’t think the smart people are being allowed to rise to the top and we are getting the old guard who have nothing to bring to the table.
Because all they need is a 'front man' to do as they are told, having one with any form of independent thought is a risk that they don't want to take again...
I get the feeling that Sunak is diverting some of his support to Truss. He'd much rather be running against her in the final ballot, she's denser than a dwarf star. He probably also knows there is some useful dirt on her in the whips list.
Like a monkey with a machine gun.
Ha! Made me chuckle.
I know we all talk about Truss being as dense as lead but she's an odd one.
Academically she most definitely isn't thick.
A terrible public speaker for sure but that alone doesn't account entirely for her lacklustre performances in front of the camera.
I've come to believe that even an intelligent person is hugely diminished when they embrace patently stupid ideas and ideologies.
Brexit is the perfect example. Even Stephen Hawking would have seemed a bit of a dumb ass if he'd tried to point out it's non existent merits.
Brexit is the perfect example. Even Stephen Hawking would have seemed a bit of a dumb ass if he’d tried to point out it’s non existent merits.
And yet I have never heard of Tony Been, or indeed Michael Foot, being dismissed as a bit of dumb asses.
I guess their redeeming quality was that they were intellectuals, had they been working-class they would no doubt have been considered to be both stupid and racist.
Academically she most definitely isn’t thick.
She's yet another example of how our definition of ability defined by narrow academic metrics - writing exam essays / collating arguments - is totally lacking when it comes to the real world. Stuff like emotional intelligence, 'common sense' in the non-Tory sense of the word etc are all irrelevant provided you're good at A-levels and playing politics at uni.
I'm looking at them all and I genuinely can't decide who's worst.
Rishi would seem safe but whys a multi billionaire wanting this job? Any answer I can think of is worrying.
Said before we've dissolved into Binary politics and it's dangerous.
We've evolved into a dirty little mini America