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I can't see that happening really. Can you?
No i cannot see it happening either but that doe snot mean UK will get the favourable terms they think they deservse
As for Honda they will solve the issue by simply making them in Europe
You are right we dont know what will happen if we leave so lets spend another 8 pages guessing 😉
I'm sticking with my inner-city kebab wars theory
I am sticking with a drunken angry debate on Darwen moor in the rain followed by a fight...bagssy having the big european bear on my side 😉
We might not have to have some of the more absurd rulings handed down from Brussels.
Such as the recent EU-wide ban on neonicotinoids? Strange that the UK and Germany were the amongst the countries that opposed the vast amount of science supporting the ban. Nothing to do whatsoever with the fact that these chemicals are manufactured in these two countries?
I find myself in a strange position of agreeing with an EU ruling. perhaps they are good for something.
I find myself in a strange position of agreeing with an EU ruling. perhaps they are good for something.
They make so many laws, occasionally they're bound to make a mistake.
What 0%?
No, 15%. "Supplies of goods and services subject to VAT are normally subject to a standard rate of at least 15%" http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/
I'm fairly sure the rise to 15% was to comply with that, and nothing to do with the community charge.
[i]The main driver for the EU was / is Germany's guilt over two World Wars[/i]
Original plan was written by a French geezer Robert Schuman. I think* the very first sentance if the very first paragraph of the plan that predates the EU by several decades was " to mark the birth of a united Europe" so it's not like we didn't know what we were getting into in the first place.
* from memory, happy to be corrected by someone with access to google
They make so many laws, occasionally they're bound to make a mistake.
If only you were as successful with your posting on here 😉
You're on JY!!! Cheeky Vimto-fueled Euro violence it is then! 😀
I'm fairly sure the rise to 15% was to comply with that
rise to 15%? that was way way way back. In fact so afar back the EU wasn't even the EU then, so was 15% an EEC thing imposed on UK?
Some rates have been tinkered with, up and down, between the full rate and reduced rate, but any that went up to a full rate, went up to 17.5% or 20%.
Boats from other countries fishing in UK waters isn't a global problem.
Boats from other countries are allowed to fish in UK waters because UK fishermen sold them thier quotas.
I think the short answer is nobody knows as it is dependent on too many variables such as.
How long would it take for trade agreements to be negotiated between the UK and everyone else. If its quick then not so much of an issue. If it takes along time then it will be a problem.
How will industry that is based in the UK but largely exports within the EU react. If it stays then not much effect. If it leaves then a big impact. This will probably depend on the outcome of the trade agreements.
aracer - Member
Jeez - you did this before.
how dare I point out that the countries you use as examples are the 2 most expensive in the world
You see Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden up near the top of that list? Scroll down a few pages you'll find Macedonia, Moldova, Albania located a little below Romania. Do you really think there's a correlation between EU membership and cost of living?
Why exactly would ours change if we left the EU?
of course I dont, it was a question and using similar logic why not use Albania and Macedonia as your examples of non-EU countries that are doing so well?
Of course the cost of living is also totally unrelated to international trade relationships.
is this sarcasm or just poorly thought out?
The main driver for the EU was / is Germany's guilt over two World Wars
eh? has germany ever accepted clause 231 of the treaty of versailles ? if they have, i'm not sure that they should.
whilst accepting that the irreversible rise of german power made war with france, britain and russia a possibility, i doubt that anyone in their right mind would argue that germany was the sole cause of world war one.
This is a real conundrum for me, it's the knotty issue of the day...
whitegoodman - MemberIn the long run we'd be better off, 11-15 billion for starters..
Should I go with "Citation needed" or "Show your working"?
Calculations as it so retro to see a scanned back of the fag packet calculation
They covered this on Radio 4 and the short answer was no one knows.
All the studies are political in nature and assume loads of red tape etc for the cost savings which is highly debatable to put it mildly.
FWIW each of the other members pay a % of their Gross national income to us in rebate to reduce our contribution so they would also be paying less if we left - Win win scenario??
Maybe the UK government should ask the EU to explain what the EU position would be should the UK vote to leave. Or maybe they're afraid that someone might ask them to do the same thing in a similar situation 😕
FWIW each of the other members pay a % of their Gross national income to us in rebate to reduce our contribution so they would also be paying less if we left - Win win scenario??
Given we're net contributors it would seem unlikely. The rebate is after all a typical EU fudge when it would have been simpler for us to just pay less.
how dare I point out that the countries you use as examples are the 2 most expensive in the world
Which is completely irrelevant to the amount of import duty paid on their exports to the EU and the difficulty they have selling into the EU.
using similar logic why not use Albania and Macedonia as your examples of non-EU countries that are doing so well?
Why don't you check back what I wrote which you replied to? I couldn't care less how well they're doing - I was interested in their trade relations with the EU. I didn't use Albania or Macedonia because they don't have the same trade relationship.
"Of course the cost of living is also totally unrelated to international trade relationships."is this sarcasm or just poorly thought out?
You see that list you provided? Note where Luxembourg and Romania are on it? You tell me...
Given we're net contributors it would seem unlikely. The rebate is after all a typical EU fudge when it would have been simpler for us to just pay less.*
The rebate is calculated as approximately two-thirds of the amount by which UK payments into the EU exceed EU expenditure returning to the UK. Currently the rebate is worth £5 billion (GBP) a year and the UK remains one of the largest net contributors. [b]The method of calculating the rebate is complex, but its effect is to increase contributions required from all other member states, to make up the loss from the overall budget.[/b]*Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and Austria all have their contribution to make up for the rebate capped to 25% of the figure which would otherwise apply, leaving France to make up for the main part of the increase in what Britain would pay without the rebate. Final calculations of the rebate are only made four years after the budget year in question.
* within the EU this is calculated as if they gave it to us - whether they really do who knows