[Closed] So then, what this forum was originally designed for: Coffee...

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Yes, we have one of those. Now I want something that makes coffee taste somewhat nicer than nescafe.

I don't really like our new Gaggia (Revolution Espresso). It's messy, dribbly and moves around the worktop when you try to put the coffee holder thingy into it. I much prefered our old cheapo espresso machine.

I'm currently drinking a cup made with a Sainsbury's Columbian coffee bag as I type this. The Gaggia sits on the worktop a short distance behind me unplugged and unloved 🙁

Most of the cheap espresso machines with a pump will make good espresso. The main difference between cheap and expensive is their durability and robustness.

I've had a few over the last 30 years and the thing I like about my Gaggia Classic Caffe is the chunkiness and usability of the filter carrier. Much nicer than messing about with a flimsy little thing that doesn't hold quite enough coffee (for me) and burns your fingers when trying to knock out the grounds.

But as far as taste goes, a £30 Krupps Vivo produces a cup that's no different.

Im on the hunt for a decent espresso machine.
Rancilio is current fave, though hoping i can get a SanRemo ex-demo unit at a reasonable price.

I tried a cheap machine from some home appliance company (I forget) and a Gaggia - the Gaggia made nicer coffee (and yes I know that in theory with the same pump pressure the coffee should be identical, but it wasn't, ok? It was clearly very different, and I wanted the cheap one to be better so don't call me gullible and all that crap please).

I didn't want to spend £350 but then I found out that all the cheaper Gaggias above the very cheapest one (Cube) have the same internals, so I got a Dose for £150. I bought my parents an excellent one too from a different company which was cheap and better than my Dose in terms of the shot measuring capability but I can't remember the make.. 🙂

this might be sacrilige but the nespressos are actually very good and far far less hassle and mess than a traditional

+1 for Gaggias being worth it. For good Espresso you need good pressure, and a machine that will continue delivering good pressure for 5 years, not 5 months. A decent flat white is frothed, but not as much as a cappuchino, so you will need a frother. Just heating milk in the microwave is NOT the same. Buy a maching without a frother and guaranteed within a month you will wish you had one

Have had our Gaggia Baby Class for about 3 years. Great coffee, well made, looks good. The frother is pivoted so you can get a jug under it, and the water refill system is really neat.

Previously had the Gaggia classic which was also good, but you cannot froth a jug, the water refill is more of a faff, and it doesn't look as good

titusrider - Member
this might be sacrilige but the nespressos are actually very good and far far less hassle and mess than a traditional

Sorry, but IMO it is sacrilige. They are very convenient but the pods are hugely more expensive than loose coffee, you are very restricted on coffees and suppliers and there is all the plastic waste which is an environmental no-no

I take your point but it definatly works for me, and the range of available coffees is very good

+1 for nespresso's. Really lovely coffee unfortunately I am always dissappointed when I buy a coffee now. The machine cleans itself.

It is the only machine we have had (including a gaggia) where the coffee is spot on every single time.

There is no plastic waste as far as I am aware unless you buy the supermarket pods in France. I recycle the aluminium pods.

If you drink a lot of coffee you may consider it expensive.

Another for Nespresso here. The pods aren't cheap but it's still about a tenth of the cost of going out and getting one from the chains. Loose coffee inevitably goes off by the time I can be bothered to use it and the times I want coffee I don't have the time to faff about grinding, tamping, then operating several buttons on a machine to heat and pressurise and produce my coffee.

Machine on, wait for light to go steady, empty shot through to warm pipes and cup, pod in, press button, one more empty shot to clean, machine off. All done in 2 mins tops.

My Gran Gaggia is 10 years old now and still makes perfect coffee.....I seem to remember it being one of the cheapest gaggias around at the time....

BF

Jura

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kin ace.

Another vote for the Nespresso, excellent costomer service if you have any problems.

Can't bring myself to spend 100s on a coffee machine but I do get annoyed by how inconsistent cafetiere coffee is - one pot will be spot on, the next will be watery, bitter muck despite using the same "conditions" every time.

Would beans and a grinder help? I use the usual vacuum packed ground coffee and store it in the fridge. I guess it goes off/dries out pretty quickly?

this is mine- was given it by the in-laws as they didn't use it. I'm having a cuppa from it right now. Brilliant
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I suppose the question is do you want an espresso machine or an 'espresso-a-like'? All the Nespresso's and all that rubbish are...er...rubbish and I don't have any truck with the 'well I like it' argument either. Some people like X-Factor but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul pox on the face of music.

A decent machine with a quality pump and metal construction, including heat stable boiler etc is the best way forward; Rancilio, Gaggia etc and a decent burr grinder plus lots of practice.

Do the right thing, get a good machine (or if you want your espresso in about 10 years a hand pump machine that you can learn to use in said 10 years....)

Would beans and a grinder help?

I've got a Gaggia Classic which I picked up second hand for £100 5 years ago. Paired with a GOOD grinder, it's not perfect, but if I'm on form I can get a top notch espresso out of it. Rancilio Silvia is the other good "decent beginner" machine.

Pro's over cheaper machines - all metal construction - big weighty brass portafilter to keep the pour warm before it hits the cup. Decent sized pump and boiler, three way solenoid valve to depressurize the brew head once the pour is done - stops the dreaded "portafilter sneeze" which sprays scalding hot coffee grounds all over the kitchen. There's room on top for warming cups. Steam capability is OK, but not as good as proper dual boiler or heat exchange machines.

Real world though, its the grinder and good fresh beans that make the difference. Spend there and you'll get a better cuppa.

Nespresso - based on the comments on previous STW threads, the missus and I went for a demo at Selfridges a few weeks back. Very easy and convenient, but the coffee produced was absolute, utter shite. Thin, watery and massively overextracted. We tried about 6 different varieties of capsule and it was the same all round. [u]Really[/u] unimpressed. I think there's simply not enough coffee in the capsules to make a decent shot.

If you are always in a tearing hurry when making your coffee then I agree the pods are great but it only takes one to two minutes longer to use a normal machine.

Buy ground coffee from a specialist (lots on line) and keep it in small plastic bags in the freezer. Will not go off for a couple of weeks and spot on every time. Huge choice of coffees and suppliers.

Even if people do recycle the pods, there is still the recycling overhead, plus the packaging, and that's also why they are much more expensive.

Search on here for the thread about coffee storage too.

Quick calculation. Looks like pods are about 40p-50p per cup delivered. Ground coffee about 15p per cup delivered.

IMO there is also something about the ritual of using a normal machine that adds to the whole experience of enjoying the coffee but I'm sure the Netspresso fans will just shoot that down

Is it worth mentioning the Aeropress at this point?

Quick, clean and consistent. Not as good as a full-on espresso, but better than a press coffee. Use a bean of your choice and a fresh grind. And much advanced on that premade rubbish.

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Does me fine.

Nespresso 28p per cup delivered on average if you buy 200 at a time (which I do), less if you get them from an outlet.

There is venom here against nespresso.

Everyone with a nespresso buys coffee at shops, has had other machines. If they are happy with their purchase then they are happy and therefore likely to recommend them.

I'd love to try a Nespresso coffee but that's easier said than done.

Got a Krups espresso machine but like most of them, it's a faff and a half to use so I tend to take the easier cafetiere option with mixed and random results.

And the coffee I've just made (new batch of coffee) is perfect - lovely crema, nice and strong, ideal. Yet yesterdays was horrible.

IMO there is also something about the [s]ritual[/s] faff of using a normal machine that [s]adds to the whole experience of enjoying the coffee[/s] is a pain in the arse

Fixed it for ya 🙂

Nespresso coffee is good to be honest, but a little.. generic, really. The reason I didn't get one is that I couldn't choose what coffee I was drinking. I like to get beans from a single origin, so I can taste the place and the qualities. Blends can be delicious but it's all so fuzzy on the palette I think. And with Nespresso you will be drinking the same blends for years and years.. I'd get bored.

But yes it is good stuff.

Getting away from machines I use a Bialetti in the camper and it makes very good coffee.

The stove-top machines btw can make fantastic coffee but it's a bit slow and takes a very careful hand to get it right. And it's easy to get wrong and mess up.

+1 Nespresso <3

CoffeeKing's idea is the only one worth exploring. Cheap, easy to use, reliable. End of.

+1 for Cofeekings percolator.

After working opposite the nestle factory for years the smell of roasting coffee put me off the stuff for life, I can barely walk into costa without either gagging on the smell or remembering the secretary..............

Anyway, bought my parents one for christmass seeing as Dad's cutting down on caffine by not drinking instant anymore (more effort per cup therefore less coffee). They use it on the boat, the house, camping, everywhere and even I have to admit it makes a nice cup.

Getting away from machines I use a Bialetti in the camper and it makes very good coffee.

Yep, +1 for them cracking little espresso makers when out in the wilds....

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And +2 on behalf of shinythings whose currently unable to access the forum (he dosen't have an desk based job)....

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[b]slugwash[/b], I want to come riding with you <drools> 🙂

Slugwash - now that is proper coffee drinkers kit! All that effort with lightweight tents, cookers, etc and you still bring a relatively heavy/bulky stove top coffee maker - love it!

slugwash, I want to come riding with you <drools>

Ooh aye ? 😉

I suppose the question is do you want an espresso machine or an 'espresso-a-like'?

An expresso machine, of the gaggia ilk. I knew here would be the place to come for advice!

The stove-top machines btw can make fantastic coffee but it's a bit slow and takes a very careful hand to get it right. And it's easy to get wrong and mess up.

I already have 2 of the mini-expresso stove thingys, but one is so big it's real pain to get tight enough to seal without being so tight you can't undo it again after, whilst the other is too small, and obviously you have to wait a while to make a second cup as it's too hot. I already have a good burr-grinder, and in Adelaide, there are 101 places to get 1001 different varieties of beans 🙂

I guess I just need to get some plastic moneys out now and makes my choice...

Divagirl - Member
slugwash, I want to come riding with you <drools>

Ooh aye ?

bring yer espresso kit !! <cupboard love>

waits for many other male STWers to proclaim to divagirl that they [i]also[/i] carry an espresso maker on every expedition ride

😉

Like I say, stovetops are not easy to use. Well they are, if you want bad coffee. To get it right is a bit of an art.

I have one of these for outdoor trips 🙂
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Divagirl - Member
slugwash, I want to come riding with you <drools>

Ooh aye ?

bring yer espresso kit !! <cupboard love>

Crikey, I think I need to sit down in a quiet room with a cup of hot, sweet [b]tea[/b] and recompose myself after that bout of online flirting 😉

I have the same percolator as coffeking and it does me perfectly well.

I’ve never taken it biking, but now that I know there are female bikers out there who appreciate a mid ride refreshment, I will

i bought a gaggia coffee deluxe from amazon about 8 years ago, a good bit cheaper as it was a refurbished warranty return. only problem i've had is having to strip and unblock the boiler as i got lazy with the descaling when i lived in a hardwater area. never misses a beat.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaggia-Coffee-Deluxe-Espresso-Cappuccino/dp/B00008BQZ8

i never got a good espresso from it until i bought a [i]good[/i] burr grinder (rossi rr45; 60 quid from a cafe that was closing down) - not all burr grinders are created equal - and started buying fresh roasted coffee, ie not illy etc.
you have to learn how to tamp evenly too, comes with a bit of practice. they reckon about 30lbs of pressure.

molgrips - Member

I have one of these for outdoor trips

I like the look of that one [b]Molgrips[/b] 🙂

Lol! Molgrips FTW 🙂

McQ - Member
I have the same percolator as coffeking and it does me perfectly well.

I’ve never taken it biking, but now that I know there are female bikers out there who appreciate a mid ride refreshment, I will

I would be [b]very [/b]appreciative 😉

 

Hey Divagirl, I put one of these on a trailer and drag it behind me, along with a bowser of water and a small generator on every long ride 😉

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Surf-Mat - Member
Hey Divagirl, I put one of these on a trailer and drag it behind me, along with a bowser of water and a small generator on every long ride

Fabulous. I will bring cake 😈

Damn you and your competitive nature Mat.

Zokes...

Simply Coffee on Rundle Road, near PAC. They roast on-site and have machines for sale etc. If it's in town, Perfect Cup in the Markets.

coffeesnob.com.au for local opinion inc machines in price brackets.

I'll be riding road Sat, MTB Sun or Mon - you about? Or are you heading up to the Flinders after all?

i love this one. Half a mug of hot milk, a scoop and a bit of lavazza gold ground coffee in the press, and 2 marks of hot water, ppuuuusssshhh and viola, bloody delicious!

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Kev

Hi Langy!

Sat is being spent buying things (possibly coffee machines), and picking up the bits from CRC at the post office. Sadly I'm not up to Flinders as nowhere to stay, but a quick blast Sun / Mon would be good. I may even have the new bits on my bike by then 🙂

Shall have a wander up Rundle and see what I find. We need to go to a picture framer's on Saturday that way anyway...

Will email about the ride,

Z

I have a Gaggia Classic and a burr grinder and I love the lazy weekend ritual of making good coffee and the smell of freshly-ground beans - loved it since I was a kid and we went into 'Ye Oldest Chemist Shoppe in England' in Knaresborough to buy freshly-ground coffee for my dad.

But I also have a stovetop and it does make a nice coffee too.

I don't have a Nespresso as I enjoy making coffees, not having them made for me.

I would be very appreciative

Consider the French Espresso coffee packed as well!

 

Like I say, stovetops are not easy to use. Well they are, if you want bad coffee. To get it right is a bit of an art.

Eh? I find them perfectly easy to use. How complicated can it be?

Too much heat, water gets too hot and spoils the coffee
Slightly too much heat, water comes through too fast and coffee loses taste
Not enough heat, takes too long

If I am ever at your house, remind me to have tea 😉

Aeropress for work and a Gaggia Classic for home. Got the Classic on E Bay after looking for the lovely words 'used it a few times, been on the shelf since' in the advert. After a back-flush and de-scale it is as good as new. I can't recommend it highly enough and well worth the £120 I paid for it. Anything from Krups is rubbish - all made in the far East now - used them, sent them back.

McQ - Member

Consider the French Espresso coffee packed as well!

wahay!!

I pump hard on my handpresso at home and when camping and when standing around in the outdoors waiting for divagirl - hoping for face moisturiser in return for an espresso

did i really write that? 😯

omg hahahahahaha

Ive got a Gaggia Colour and althoiugh it makes great coffee I regret not getting a Nespresso machine, so much easier!

Also I dont use the spout to froth, I've got a seperate milk frother that does a better job and is far less hassle and mess.

For all the tightwads/poor people tk max sell the stove top ones cheap, in one the other week and they had a selection ranging from tiny two cup ones through to big 12cup ones for between £5-15

for between £5-15

but you could buy a car for that!

If I am ever at your house, remind me to have tea 😉

You can have a kick in the nuts if you like 😉

iDave, see that

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That's you that is 😆

Like I say, stovetops are not easy to use. Well they are, if you want bad coffee

I've never had a bad coffee from one. How do you manage to make a bad one?! Must take some pretty epic failing to get that wrong!

If you put it on too hot, the coffee's bitter. Don't you mind bitter coffee?

CaptainMainwaring - Member
titusrider - Member
this might be sacrilige but the nespressos are actually very good and far far less hassle and mess than a traditional
Sorry, but IMO it is sacrilige. They are very convenient but the pods are hugely more expensive than loose coffee, you are very restricted on coffees and suppliers and there is all the plastic waste which is an environmental no-no

Do you mean Aluminium? The Nespresso machines use aluminium capsules and have a very large selection of coffees, the Dolce Gusto (Nestlé) machines use plastic capsules and have more restricted sorts of coffees.

Do you mean Aluminium?

Ah, have you ever wondered about the fantastic mount of energy required to make aluminium? Plastic is probably better.

(Best not to think about this when considering a new bike though, which of course is entirely sustainable, even if you drive 100 miles to ride it in a circle then drive home again...)

zokes - Member
Do you mean Aluminium?
Ah, have you ever wondered about the fantastic mount of energy required to make aluminium? Plastic is probably better.

(Best not to think about this when considering a new bike though, which of course is entirely sustainable, even if you drive 100 miles to ride it in a circle then drive home again...)

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uuhmm yes thanks Zokes..i work in this field but thanks for the heads up!

I was actually picking up on his mixup of the two systems...pernickerty maybe but as i said i work in this field.

Yes the plastic is possibly better, but Aluminium is a very recyclable material.

TBH if you can't use a mocha pot molegrips you shouldn't be allowed near any machinery. Stove tops + beans + grinder. Simple. Works everytime ( unless you're molegrips and are a bit useless)

TBH if you can't use a mocha pot molegrips you shouldn't be allowed near any machinery.

Er I'm the one telling you HOW to do it, so I clearly CAN use one!

I suspect you've either been lucky or don't know the difference between burned coffee and correctly brewed coffee 🙂

No, I just know how to make coffee. y'know: ground coffee, water, heat. simples...As performed by millions of people everyday...

Apart from you, you special special man... 😉

You can "scald" coffee but I think you've got to be a bit sensible. Methinks Mols method means a coffee takes about an hour to make!

I don't see how a stovetop can make a bad coffee by having too hot water.

The water is at the bottom, it boils at 99.97deg (or thereabouts dependant on contaminants and atmospheric pressure) and then rises up the pipe, through the coffee and then into the upper compartment. Obviously by this point the temperature of the water has dropped just below the boil point and doesn't scald the coffee.

It is the only way the stovetop works and water only boils at one temperature surely?????

Question for all - does a stovetop work okay on an electric hob (the glass type ones that "glow")?!

I assume they will if they are designed to be used with them. I doubt a standard one would (just like some standard pans don't work with them).

mastiles_fanylion - Member
I don't see how a stovetop can make a bad coffee by having too hot water.

Believe it or not but coffee is actually quite a tricky subject, and is very sensitive to temperature. Studies have shown that temperatures above 92°C gives the coffee a burnt taste..therefore your just off 99°C is too hot..