[Closed] So thats not the slightest bit provocative then, is it?

Ooh! Can we burn copies of Richard Dawkins' books? Pleeeaasee??

Well, what with govt spending cuts and 'austerity measures', could help to provide more heat and energy for the poor and needy this winter. Yes, I'm all up for that. And Dawkins' books aren't religious books so it won't offend anyone. Brilliant! 😀

Provocative... I clicked on this thread expecting boobs, I feel cheated!

The Daily Mash's typical satirical take on the story [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/us-church-to-commemorate-9%1111-by-causing-another-one-201009083071/ ]Clicky[/url]

"But seriously, no book fires or it's kaboom-time. You can take that to the bank and cash it."

Quality!!!! 😀

"binners - Member

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero. But don't let that get in the way of an ill-conceived reactionary rant on Fox News"

The constitution protects my right to believe any random s**t I want and shout about it endlessly on the news.

You are Glenn Beck and I claim my £10!

The hypocrisy is astounding, I wonder how many of the protesters attended the many republican fundraisers in new York, some of which were hosted by Mayer Giuliani, that financed terror attacks in the uk for decades
War on terror my a**e

The craziest thing is when Faux News were banging on about the funding for the 'mosque'

I've been trying to find the video of The Daily Show's response but this is the best I can get:

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[pedant]
They were saying on the radio last night that while it might be legal to burn books, it's against a Florida State ordinance to have a bonfire on open ground...

So, technically what they are doing would be illegal...
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Like the Muslims who want to build mosque overlooking Ground Zero in New York!!

It doesn't overlook Ground Zero. It's already being used as a mosque (well, Muslim prayer room - don't know what the technical difference is).

It isn't a mosque. And its nowhere near ground Zero.

Well, you know - it's a Muslim community centre with a prayer room in it (is it or isn't it a mosque? a bit technical) and it's 200m away from the WTC site which is, really, right by the site. I don't think there's any need to disguise what it is - there's nothing to apologise for.

The idea that this area is "Hallowed Ground" is complete nonsense - it's a complete dump of a neighbourhood that empties out by 6pm with shagged out buildings and really crap restaurants. NYer don't give a monkey's because they're used to having Muslims and mosques around, and the world hasn't ended it. It's shitkickers from Hicksville whose minds are asploding about it.

And a big hat-tip goes to Michael Bloomberg about this: OK, he essentially bought the mayoral elections with his vast personal fortune, but he has supported the constitutional rights of both the Mosque builders *and* the Koran burners. (He also has contributed vast amounts of personal money to education of poor kids in public schools in NYC and free meals in the summer. He's essentially a benevolent dictator).

I don't actually have any further rights over and above silly little thick people like you for example.

It's shitkickers from Hicksville whose minds are asploding about it.

[i]And Dawkins' books aren't religious books so it won't offend anyone. Brilliant! [/i]

Yes, cos non-religious people aren't stupid enough to get upset by someone burning someone else's book! (Dammit, I got involved!)

Well the vast majority of Muslims wouldn't be too worked up by what this nutcase is doing, really.

Problem is, that Islam was formed in a region which was very unstable, with many rival tribes and factions vying for power. Some verses of the Koran are a bit inflamatory, but I think most moderate contemporary Muslims overlook such passages, as do most Christians with the bit about homosexuals. There are many flaws within the Koran and indeed most other ancient religious texts, in the context of modern society, but most folk have accepted that certain bits can be sort of 'ignored' really. I do know that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide do not condone the killing of anyone,regardless of belief. Given time, I suspect some of the more contentious passages from the Koran will be left out, as have some of the jucier bits of the Bible, Torah, etc. The Islamic World isn't a single entity; there are myriad branches and interpretations of the doctrine.

Looked at in a more positive light, Islam, like other faiths, has helped to unite people who were previously opposed. It has helped build communities and even nations. Islamic scholars have contributed greatly to Global knowledge.

It's a pity a few nutcases get worked up over a few other nutcases. 🙁

Junkyard - Member
Dont little thick people like me have the right to point out that my and ours do not mean the same thing without abuse from an intelectual giant like yourself? I write this from my keyboard ...so presumably it is ours?

The problem with little thick people like yourself is that they're not bright enough to understand even the simplest of concepts, yet still think they're clever enough to catch people like me out.

Let me spell this out for you: I can refer, for example, to MY country as MY country, because it is MY country. I can also refer to it as YOUR country (assuming you come from the same country), and I can refer to it as OUR country. All three possessive adjectives would be correct, as the country is MINE, YOURS and OURS.

In the same way, the rights that we collectively enjoy can be referred to as MY rights, YOUR rights, and OUR rights. Again, the three possessive adjectives are all perfectly acceptable and correct given that we are bound by the same laws - both moral and legal - therefore, we enjoy the same rights.

Now run along and digest what I've taught you, there's a good little thick person.

Is pedantry vs condescension the new religion vs atheism?

The problem with little thick people like yourself is that they're not bright enough to understand even the simplest of concepts, yet still think they're clever enough to catch people like me out.

All three possessive adjectives would be correct, as the country is MINE, YOURS and OURS

It really depends doesn’t it? My country is not necessarily your country – a point you yourself noted ... Therefore my , yours and ours ARE NOT necessarily the same thing ...which is the point I made originally.
If you wished to talk about our rights why not just say ours rather than my and remove this confusion? It is an issue hardly worth this level of debate , insult or anger ?
I see little point continuing this and really you should be able to make your case without insulting me. Especially when you are as bright as you assert and I am as dim as you suggest.

Is pedantry vs condescension the new religion vs atheism?

Possibly, but by the standard of ill-informed nonsense I've seen thus far, I fear pendantry is in for some very dark ages.

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It really depends doesn’t it? My country is not necessarily your country – a point you yourself noted ... Therefore my , yours and ours ARE NOT necessarily the same thing ...which is the point I made originally.

Erm... Are you taking the piss? I was originally referring to RIGHTS, which are shared. Thus any of the 3 possessive adjectives were correct in that case.

You tried to trip me up and prove that I'd made a mistake. As I've quite clearly demonstrated, I didn't make a mistake, and my original post was neither wrong, nor ambiguous. The weak link in this whole situation is your intellect and your propensity to read what you THINK you're reading, rather than what is actually written.

I think you're also suffering from an eagerness to outsmart me. Unfortunately, you've merely highlighted your own short comings.

Now, as I said, run along...

I fear pendantry is in for some very dark ages.

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*pulls up chair, choc hob-nobs and cup of tea*

Mmmmmmmhobnobsmmmmmm
No sugar, little bit of milk' ta

I had a hob nob flapjack the other day, not right.

Pendantry... Doh! Really should proof read before posting... 😳

Cheddars for me, 2 packs for a quid at th'Asda at the moment...

Just had some cheddar cheese on dark choccy digestives. Strange, but nice.

The weak link in this whole situation is your intellect and your propensity to read what you THINK you're reading, rather than what is actually written.

Or maybe he read what was written, rather than what you meant...

Shib/Adam; do you speak in such a manner to people in real life, or do you normally have to be so polite to them, that being rude on here is somehow cathartic? I sense a lot of pent up rage in you.

Carry on though, as we do find it amusing. 😀

But I'd fight to the death to defend my right to fling shoes, burn books, or whatever else might tickle my fancy if I too were to go a bit mental

I think you're also suffering from an eagerness to outsmart me. Unfortunately, you've merely highlighted your own short comings

Or maybe he read what was written, rather than what you meant...

Fred, as I've quite clearly pointed out, as I was referring to RIGHTS - which are shared - there was no ambiguity. He did read what was written, but in his eagerness to pick fault in my posts, he tried to find an error where there wasn't one.

Perhaps you and Junkbrain could attend some adult literacy classes or something.

I dont really care about out smarting you. Perhaps you are brightest , perhaps I am, frankly who cares? It has little bearing on this point/argument no matter how many times you assert you are the brightest and that I am the dumbest.

So why try to pick fault in my post? First you accuse me of trolling, and then when someone challenged you, you decide to blame ambiguity in my post. You were wrong on both counts.

Bourbon anyone? - the biscuit not the drink?

No, no....go for the drink. I think alcohol can only improve this situation.

Perhaps you and Junkbrain could attend some adult literacy classes or something.

Ooh no that's a bit challenging for me. Maybe we could do Cake-Making for Beginners instead! How exciting!

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Junkbrain and elfin after Bourbon on the way to adult literacy clases

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Shibboleth dont change track now defend your quote as discussing rights and ours please. Should be easy for someone as bright as you surely?

I tell you you're shit at computers you Junkyard! You're meant to post the larger image, not the flippin' thumbnail! 😀

Which one am I? I can't be the podgy one, surely?

Shibboleth dont change track now defend your quote as discussing rights and ours please. Should be easy for someone as bright as you surely?

That sentence makes so little sense on so many levels. Ask your tutor to run through the use of that wonderful punctuation mark, the comma, and get him or her to clarify how many Rs there are in the word "tack". 🙄

Oh Shib you are awful...

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...but I don't like you!

...but I don't like you!

The day I crave the approval of people like you will be the day I throw in the towel. 🙄

Still not defending your quote as meaning ours or referring to rights then? track was a typo as I am sure you are aware.

Junkyard - Member
Still not defending your quote as meaning ours or referring to rights then?

I'm sorry, you've lost me completely. I've no idea what exactly you're getting at now. I've explained why MY rights are the same as YOUR or OUR rights in the most idiot proof way I can think of.

If you can't get your head round that, it tells me one thing: that you don't even reach 'idiot' on my intellect scale.

Shibboleth - Member
That sentence makes so little sense on so many levels. Ask your tutor to run through the use of that wonderful punctuation mark, the comma, and get him or her to clarify how many Rs there are in the word "tack".

The commas in your first sentence were completely unnecessary.

Also, the Pedantry Police would like to bring you in for further questioning on whether something can fail to make sense on multiple levels as opposed to failing to make sense on any level.

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Am I too late for the Hob-Nobs? Just made a tea and found out the missus finished the last of my biscuits 🙁

"I'm not that keen on him having the oxygen of oxygen..."

I like this joke, I will be nicking it later