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Secondly, there are many more (and worse) things than cigarette ends dumped all over the place (possibly even by non smokers!)
No, in the area I carefullly described it's exclusively butts, the litter goes in the bin, which some how makes it worse. They respect the environment enough to put their paper, including fag packets in the bin but butts Just get dropped + ground into the floor
I thoroughly enjoy tobacco. Very clean. Smoke it all the time
KFC is a disgusting habit.
As you were
Why should non smokers have to eat inside or drink inside because of a few smokers?
On the dying bit- great having a tab but you deny your children their parent too young. Great now but fast forward to your early 50's the news wont be swallowed easily by anyone. Harsh but smoking is selfish in every way imaginable.
No, in the area I carefullly described it's exclusively butts, the litter goes in the bin, which some how makes it worse. They respect the environment enough to put their paper, including fag packets in the bin but butts Just get dropped + ground into the flo
At the entrance to my local hospital (with big - 'this is a no smoking area' signs on the walls) they have made the unusual cost saving measure of replacing the need for bark chippings on the flowerbeds by just sweeping all the dropped butts off the pavement into the bushes. It's a good look.
I've given up feeling annoyed by all the ill looking knobbers dragging their drips out form the wards for a smoke there and just feel sorry for the poor sods now. Kind of the way I feel about homeless people - it's not their fault - just a character flaw, a sign of a weak personality or someone who has been through a rough time.
Smoking is in it's death throws in blighty, we need to start giving alcohol consumption a similar kicking.
I have no problem with people smoking outside as long as they don't let their smoke invade my airspace and force me to breath it.
Twinw4ll, alcohol consumption is fine if its in moderation. Its use in moderation far benefits the population interms of a release than breathing in someones poison.
What do you propose next gambling?
Yes... let's stop everyone smoking and drinking altogether. I'll take it drugs are a real no no
You sound like fun. My.., how the long winter evenings must just fly by!
Council depot just round the corner of my house. They make the filthy stinkies smoke outside the gate and don't even give them a receptacle for their butts. So the road and footpath are covered in them. Like I say, with that little self-respect, one can't expect them to respect somebody else's neighbourhood. I am however, happy to accept that all these are the minority and the rest of them everywhere else are perfectly clean and put their butts in the litter. Just unlucky to have all the minority working round the corner. 😡
Steady on there Volstead!twinw4ll - Member
Smoking is in it's death throws in blighty, we need to start giving alcohol consumption a similar kicking.
Yes... let's stop everyone smoking and drinking altogether. I'll take it drugs are a real no no.
No one wants to stop you drinking binners. And you can smoke if you want, just do it in your own house while you're watching Corrie, Emmerdsle and Hollyoaks on catch-up.
Smokers not smoking while drinking, aye that'll catch on. 😆deadlydarcy - Member
Yes... let's stop everyone smoking and drinking altogether. I'll take it drugs are a real no no.
No one wants to stop you drinking binners. And you can smoke if you want, just do it in your own house while you're watching Corrie, Emmerdsle and Hollyoaks on catch-up.
Smokers not smoking while drinking, aye that'll catch on.
Plenty of smokers manage it. Maybe the rest just don't have the willpower.
Yes... let's stop everyone smoking and drinking altogether. I'll take it drugs are a real no noYou sound like fun. My.., how the long winter evenings must just fly by!
To be honest you sound like a typical smoker - flinging around a few amusing insults to deflect a bit from (what you know deep down) are your own inadequacies at not being able to stop it. So everyone else must be uncool partypooers because they don't 'get it'. 😉
deadlydarcy - Member
Plenty of smokers manage it.
Nonsense.
Don't you realise my inadequacy is why I drink, smoke and eat Pies?
I ask you.... Where's the humanity?
*bursts into tears*
Bet half of you smoke haters think nothing of knocking back a bottle of some poncy whisky every week while sitting in you driftwood carved chair and fingering your axe while switching off the light to see the million dials on your hideous watch glow in the dark.Smoking is quite smelly tho so fair enough. 🙂
Above anything else, this thread just highlights how many w***ers there are that post on here. One can only hope that the many lurkers that don't post, are of a less sanctimonious/ignorant view. You'd probably guess from the fact they don't post, they are.
Smokers, generally, are fully aware of what a stupid and nasty habit it is.
They usually behave appropriately and not inflict it on anyone else. An ask to persist would be met with slight shame and immediate compliance.
However, it's just so easy to associate a smoker with some dole-claimer that lives on a council estate for some of you, an ignorant nob with a fag in his hand, or some poor bastard that is unfortunate enough to be drinking at the dog & duck at 11am, or "smelly scum".
So, to the people that throw your insults on this thread about smokers - you are just shouty, ignorant, stereotyping, generally unpleasant & offensive - well done you.
You know nothing about me, what I value, how I behave and the person I am.
Richard, 37 (fitter than you 🙂 ), smoker.
smoker
Oddly, I guessed that long before you explicitly stated it.
[i]Some[/i] smokers are considerate. [i]Some[/i] smokers are inconsiderate. That's the fact of the matter. There's no "generally" anything, as there rarely is when you're discussing any group of people.
Please allow me to do the whole "FTFY".
Some [s]smokers[/s] people are considerate. Some [s]smokers[/s] people are inconsiderate.
You'll have to shout. It's a long way up in those saddles.
Can't, I'm out of breath just using the keyboard.
Richard, 37, fitter than you, smoker.
And ever so slightly tetchy about people not respecting your right to smoke too I sense.
You are right though, I've lost my ability to be particularly sensitive and non judgemental about smokers. After my father died very young of lung cancer from a lifetime of smoking I have come to realise that those that truly loose out most to smoking are not the smokers themselves (they are now dead, it makes little odds to them) but their families. I've watched my mother come to terms with spending a good chunk of her life alone and with financial worry. It's heart breaking.
So yes, I do think your average smoker has a surplus of the selfish gene and I tend not to miss a chance to insult their ability to make good decisions and it being a pretty good indicator of poor personality traits. I spent a lifetime of the cajoling approach with my nearest and dearest with no effect so I've elected to take a more arsey attitude from now on! Sorry.
Personally, I couldn't give a monkey's if people smoke in beer gardens.
It's part of pub life as far as I'm concerned.
Never found it in the least bit irritating when a faint whiff of fag smoke comes my way.
Should I get myself to the docs sharpish to check out my lung function?
Please allow me to do the whole "FTFY".
I don't disagree, but we're not talking about all people, we're talking about smokers. So that's just a, erm, smokescreen.
Convert, I know you don't shy away from a contentious topic, but I'll pipe down. Sorry about what you've experienced, and you've every right to feel how you do.
Cougar, not sure what your point is.
I'm not sure I am either. (-:
Convert, we all do stuff that others could consider us to have the selfish gene. Probably even you.
Probably even you.
Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.
bearnecessities - Member
...Richard, 37 (fitter than you ), smoker.
A false dawn.
Let's check back on your status in 5-10 years time. You're soon going to hit the wall where smokers stop doing physical activity or get their heart attack while doing it.
How would people feel if the person in the beer garden next to them was farting continually, say every 10 or 15 seconds, and it was blowing your way?
I'd be really impressed. Everyone knows farting is funny.
They usually behave appropriately and not inflict it on anyone else. An ask to persist would be met with slight shame and immediate compliance.
You are joking? Any polite request is usually followed by swearing, "where the * am I supposed to smoke & a * ** inside if you don't like it,outside is for smoking"
This has happened at pubs & outside cafés
Thats not true, is it?
You've actually asked someone to stop smoking, and you've been met with a deluge of abuse? On a number of occasions? Really?
Could you get into specifics of what, and where, these incidents happened, because frankly I don't believe that for a second.
Epicyclo, pretty aware of that 😐 I really should pack it in. Stupid habit.
You've actually asked someone to stop smoking
I prefer not to talk to them at all tbh.
We got this once - sitting outside near the canal basin in Edinburgh after a bike ride - having a drink at the outside tables with all the bikes stacked up where we could see them.
Lassie comes out and starts having a go at us "the outside tables are for the smokers" was hilarious !
I don't blame you Bravissimo. Us smkers are so desensitised to the feelings of others, that we've retreated into our cynical and selfish shells, and the only way we can communicate with people of superior judgement and, well... just superior everything, is through profuse, aggressive swearing, and by blowing smoke into their children faces
Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.
Problem is by making all the noise you've more chance of no one listening.
A little sympathy for converts experiance, not in a similar way but my Mother used to smoke back in the 60'/70's/80's, Dad didn't. Dad died of bowel Cancer and Mom stopped smoking. Roll up to 3 years ago and now 83yrs of age shes started again. I went up to see her one weekend not long after and was amazed. No amount of talking to her persuaded to stop, she just said "my life, my business"
She's a strong willed old stick my Mother, that comment is what I would have expected.
Any polite request is usually followed by swearing, "where the * am I supposed to smoke & a * ** inside if you don't like it,outside is for smoking"
In my experience, it's usually followed with a grovelling apology and the other party offering to pay for my meal, all my drinks, a new suit from his personal Tailor, free use of his holiday villa in Monaco and a taxi home.
(Meaning, I've never actually asked either. But if I did, I imagine that's what would happen)
🙂
I reckon if they introduce an extended ban there will be very little fuss, and in a few years everyone will be saying "why didn't we do that years ago?“
Undoubtably. Probably a huge hypocrite but I'd rather be that and made enough noise that even one person thought about their actions and changed their ways.
Absolutely. Its only human nature to respond in an overwhelming positive manner when someone adopts a lofty, morally superior tone, and haughtily informs me that I am an idiot, and my lifestyle choices, which are far inferior to theirs, need to change
Absolutely. Its only human nature to respond in an overwhelming positive manner when someone adopts a lofty, morally superior tone, and haughtily informs me that I am an idiot, and my lifestyle choices, which are far inferior to theirs, need to change
Well it might work for someone - just maybe not you. Most smokers are pretty thick skinned it seems. The cajoling approach doesn't seem to work on a lot. If some can be shamed into stopping because you feel socially despised or made to think about the long term impact on loved ones that most smokers like to brush over that's great. If it just makes you just feel insulted - well there's no great loss there in my book. Sorry, I've yet to meet a smoker I don't feel superior to because it is such a visible sign of failure as a person and I suspect most non smokers feel the same. Most (and me for years) just choose not to articulate it. As a smoker I suspect you just don't see it.
What happened to your attempts to stop? I remember reading your posts about your attempts to stop over the years. Conscious decision to go back or did it just beat you? Do you ever connect you kids being likely to loose their father from their life earlier than necessary to the act of pulling the packet out of your pocket or the possibility you won't get to meet your grandkids?