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Professional brick-layer builds a good wall.
Professional racer wins race.
I'd give the knighthood to the bricky!
Exactly. Knighthood is genuinely meaningless. Mo doesn't do his sport for our country. He does it because that's what he does. He is british hence wearing our vest.
because the evidence adds up'.
What evidence?
glasgowdan - Member
Exactly. Knighthood is genuinely meaningless. Mo doesn't do his sport for our country. He does it because that's what he does. He is british hence wearing our vest.
And while we're at it take away Sir Steve Redgrave, Sir Chris Hoy and Sir Bradley Wiggins knighthoods too. They did it because that's what they did. They are British hence they were wearing our colours....
Really??????
Too bloody right Mo's due an honour. Philip Green got one FFS.
Yes. No athlete gets into their sport as a youngster because they feel duty to their country. They do it because they like it, they're good at it and they want to be the best.
As a youngster no, they don't, I agree. But do you believe that any of those mentioned above continued in that "selfish" vein through their careers and that they've given nothing back?
I'd say the majority of people who have received knighthoods have done so by pursuing their personal goals. Richard Branson? Sean Connery? Patrick Stewart? Nicolas Winton? How many do we believe really carried out their careers for the good of Britain? Why should sportspersons be any different?
Funny isn't it. The amount of evidence that dullards on the Internet can find just by reading the paper. All those investigators and drug testers/labs spend millions on things like bio passports, OOC testing, legal investigations, procedural structures and come up with nothing.
Should just replace the entire shooting match with a couple of keyboards warriors and be done with it. Doping would be wiped or within months.
Thing with doping is that the evidence we see is not enough ( usually quite rightly) to convict.
After all many folk even on here continued to believe in Armstrong even after it was clear to us sceptics he was doping. took years after that to actually convict him - at least a decade after it was obvious.
ghostlymachine - Member
....Doping would be wiped or within months.
...by dopes? 🙂
If it was "evidence" it could be used to ban.
It isn't. It's just a load of coincidences, innuendo and a bit of smoke.
So those athletes are targeted. Unless they've got serious political clout and a few officials in their pocket, they'll eventually get caught. If they've been sufficiently naughty.
Both Armitstead and Farah will almost certainly be on lists of targeted athletes, both because they are the best and because they have question marks over their performances. Rightly or wrongly.
Yes, it took an age to catch armstrong, but they did in the end. If people are cheating they will be caught eventually, with the ability to backdate tests as new techniques are found. You can always argue that the dopers are a step ahead, but ultimately the testers catch up. Yes, it might spoil the occasion when medals and records are rewritten but that's where I think we are closer to resolving the issues than we've ever been because cheats will now in the end pay the price.
In the meantime - you can either take it all at face value and enjoy the spectacle, waiting (and hoping not) that the truth will out. Or you can be dismissive of it all, and maybe one day be right, but maybe miss the fun as a result because you spent the whole time pointing instead.
Your call, I can't say which is 'right' but I know what i enjoy.
I tend to agree but the problem is we have reached a point where folk go - look they win and then they conclude they cheat and the evidence is they win. Gamblers fallacy basically.
No athlete gets into their sport as a youngster because they feel duty to their country. They do it because they like it, they're good at it and they want to be the best.
No one does anything to earn a gong - beyond perhaps be a politically lacky/donate to the party in power so WTF is your point?
Its about who deserves it not whether they tries to get it
Secondly Mo could compete for at least two nations and he chose us as he considers its home - you really think it means nothing to him or the athletes their to represent the country?
Three no one has to represent the country - its not the law so at some level you have to accept they want to what with it being a free choice and all that
just rerunning the race and an interview on the BBC now. That proper hurts, but the faces of the guys behind says it hurts them even more!
He's said in countless interviews that running and winning for Britain makes him proud. Seems like a genuine grafter TBH.
I think there are worse candidates for a knighthood, and I think he deserves it
FWIW I think that the Knighthoods getting handed out for relatively young sportsman has got out of hand.
They aren't doing it "for the Country", they're doing it because they love it.
Some will make a lot of money as well.
Although I still think they are a lot more deserving than the majority of the lackeys and time served civil servants who get them every year.
Secondly Mo could compete for at least two nations and he chose us as he considers its home - you really think it means nothing to him or the athletes their to represent the country?
Yeah it must of been a really hard choice, Team Somalia or Team GB, with funding that equates to roughly 10% of Somalia's GDP.
Not denying that he considers the UK his home, why wouldn't he?
Honours system is all bollocks but that aside, he seems an obvious candidate. Also one for Loddrik for his impressive turn of speed in the non-olympic sport of thread-trashing.
BTW,
cheekyboy - MemberI thought he was a Somali immigrant who just happened to be of the Muslim faith, obtuse use of the islamic word (imo)
Does anyone know what this means?
Not denying that he considers the UK his home, why wouldn't he?
Doesn't he spend much of his time in Portland, Oregon trying to [s]avoid tax payments[/s] dedicate more time to training? 😈
Mohamed
Notter - Member
As a youngster no, they don't, I agree. But do you believe that any of those mentioned above continued in that "selfish" vein through their careers and that they've given nothing back?POSTED 2 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
You're just making things up now.
My point is that knighthood means nothing. In his shoes I wouldn't consider it an achievement to have the BBC call me 'sir'. It's bollox. Mo is at the top of my list of inspirational humans and I plan to have a framed picture of him in the hallway of my new house along with Roger Bannister and Haille Gebresellasie.
Yes the 'evidence' against Mo Farrah is somewhat circumstantial.
His coach Salazar has ties to known dopers Ruff and Mary Dekker (who tested for T whilst she was being coached by him, although he now denies it) and is alledged to be TUE application happy.
His 'relationship' to Jama Aden (who was arrested recently on charges distributing doping products) also is somewhat muddied (just holding the stopwatch and shouting lap times, honest guv!).
He trains in Kenya (which iirc has had wada accreditation removed from its ADA) with training partners who are, well, suspect (aren't some of them now banned?).
And he missed two dope tests (one of which was because he didn't 'hear the doorbell'...).
And yet this is not smoke? Doesn't make him guilty (obviously).
Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in [s]cycl[/s] running, the cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.
Also metalheart his performance increase in a very short span of time - thats what makes someone I know who is a serious runner convinced.
there is no greater authority than being a friend of TJ so yes he is a cheat
Court is adjourned- teach you to ignore me 👿
Eh?
Not entirely sure what you're suggesting I've made up in my posts?
But fair enough, if you don't think any sportsman deserves honours or the honours system generally is flawed then that's cool.
My only point with reference to the other Sirs is that they have not just inspired with their performances but that they have helped the next generations develop, that's the giving back to their sport bit, and by extension to the country. All imo clearly.
Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycl running, the cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.
No need to feel sorry. Perfectly easy to accept/believe that no top sport is clean. It's still enjoyable to watch and you can still dream in a different way. Plus the added bonus on no disappointment when miracles dissolve into mirages.
History suggests that that is a more sensible position than the let's believe in miracles version. Sad but true.
@thm: you do know that quote?, it's Lance Armstrongs victory speech from his final win, but you knew that didn't you? 😆
Oops - that's embarrassing 😉
Good point !!!
i did not get it either
well played trick.
Well, it wasn't meant as a trick. I even scored through the cycl bit to give the obvious hint.
Sorry thm, I did leave it for 15 mins so you couldn't edit it. Guilty on that! 
But apart from that, I'm ****-ing offended you pair took me for a Kool-Aid drinking fan boy 😉
😀
FloJo never failed a drug test either. She also associated with some pretty dodgy characters. Of course, just like Mo, she was also clean...
Giving a bit back? I'm sure I read somewhere that he's a tax exile along with Sir Philip Green in Monaco.
Who loddrick? does trolling pay that well that it warrants such extremes?
FloJo never failed a drug test either. She also associated with some pretty dodgy characters. Of course, just like Mo, she was also clean...
There, there's the evidence that was missing. I'm convinced now... 🙄
BillMC - Member
Giving a bit back? I'm sure I read somewhere that he's a tax exile along with Sir Philip Green in Monaco.
Most athletes live somewhere that is a) Tax Efficient and b) suited to training. If you are out of the UK for over 6 months it's not really an issue (such as competeing all over the world, training where it's warm etc.) so it's actually a good place to be. Most of the pro cyclists are split between Monaco and Andora for the same reasons.
I don't quite understand all this knighthood b!llocks just because someone has done well at sport or anything else for that matter. Fair play to him and the other athletes, but the honours system is a load of archaic rubbish.
Fair play to him and the other athletes, but the honours system is a load of archaic rubbish.
It's a way that a community and nation an recognise what somebody has achieved. Mo has been the best in the world, best of everyone for the last 6 to 8 years. That is a hell of an achievement. From what people also say he's a great bloke with time for people. Same as the other people being honoured that you don't know who have given heaps of their time to make others lives better. It's a thank you and well done.
Been away for a bit. Any evidence yet? .......
Didnt think so.
maccruiskeen - MemberI think people who pour their whole life into being the best at something are quite partial to their efforts being recognised.
Whole life? the guy is only 33 years old now ... unless the drugs things comes out sooner, he prob be retired within the next 2-3 years.
The whole honours thing is nonsense.
mikewsmith - MemberIt's a way that a community and nation an recognise what somebody has achieved.
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But it's NOT! Are the public asked to vote someone for a knighthood? Are fellow athletes involved in the process? Other than one person who nominates them, the system is decided by a government committee... a branch of an outdated system that the public have no say in. The committee pick people who suit the image of Great Britain typically portrayed by the BBC, and archaic really is the best word for it all.
To summarise, the honours system does NOT show appreciation from one's nation or peers. It's a PR exercise by the government.
I'd rather Mo Farah got one,than any of David Cameron's little circle of friends,but then I'm too late with that one,eh?