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Aaah… bless. Are you trawling through my old posts again?
You said you hadn't used the word "purges". You used the word "purge" on the first page of this thread. Is your defence that it was singular instead of plural? Please tell me you have something better than that.
Thats just me expressing an opinion, not any comment on whats actually going on or has ever gone on in the labour party
I think we're all aware of your opinion. It's really quite astonishingly hypocritical to now complain about others using "overly-dramatic" language in the same way.
So where does that sit with your accusation or ‘expulsions’ and purges’?
What accusation? Are you making things up again?
Binners, here's a small collection of your overly-dramatic language from pages one and two. I've gathered them here so you can copy and paste rather than having to re-type them.
worrying overtones of Stalinist totalitarianism
imbeciles
messianic cult
paranoid, bunker mentality of the tinfoil-hat conspiracy-theorists
doddering old imbecile
Overly-dramatic? I'd say 'entirely accurate', but whatevs...
Semantics...
Anyways... you are aware that all that time you spend trawling through my posts from years ago, you'll never ever get back, right?
You seem to enjoy it though, which is quite sweet
Overly-dramatic? I’d say ‘entirely accurate’, but whatevs…
Semantics…
Anyways… you are aware that all that time you spend trawling through my posts from years ago, you’ll never ever get back, right?
You seem to enjoy it though, which is quite sweet
It's a pity you won't adhere to the standards you expect of others. I'll remind you of that the next time you have a flounce.
For instance, here is one of the main backers of SKS’ leadership campaign and major donor to the Labour party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Taylor_(investor)
Seems to me like he made huge profits from Russian privatisation, just like, you know…
Makes more sense why he tried to keep the donations secret now.
They filed accounts late and were fined which smacks of incompetence, frankly. (My explanation for most things fwiw from vast, lengthy, and above all personal experience.)
A hedge fund making massive profits from the soviet sell off isn't frankly that surprising. That's the kind of thing they do. A hedge fund owner donating to the labour party is more man bites dog for sure. But waddyagonna do? Turn it down as illegal when presumably it's legit seems a bit of an ask. How clean does money have to be before labour can take it?
I was going to edit that line out as I'd like the answer to be "incredibly clean" - tobacco, alcohol, gambling, fast food, coke and hookers, should probably get the answer "no thanks", on work time anyway. But spreading freedom post communism, as privatisation would be repredented in some quarters (I knew folks who went off to do just this. Twits mind - stw doesn't like me spelling that with an "a".)? Less clear cut.
Or is there some insinuation intended - that this will make Starmer advance a pro-Putin case? Is that it? Taylor will be wanting his money back in that case, and could've saved it anyway as Burgon et al will happily do this for free.
A hedge fund based in the Cayman Islands that profited massively from Russian privatisation and the chairman of a pro Israeli lobby group (with close connections to arms dealers) - his two main backers in the leadership election.
Why on earth would he want to keep that secret?
You can't see how that compromises his ability to go in hard on dodgy financing of political parties?
Why on earth would he want to keep that secret?
You can’t see how that compromises his ability to go in hard on dodgy financing of political parties?
Yes I can see, but how was it ever going to be kept secret?
Are you trawling through my old posts again?
Oh bless, binners is yet again getting touchy about being reminded of what he's previously said!
Dontcha hate it geezer when people point out your hypocrisy?!?!
Afternoon comrade! Is that all of you here now?
Oh bless, binners is yet again getting touchy about being reminded of what he’s previously said!
Touchy? I think its absolutely hilarious! 😀
I think its absolutely hilarious!
At last, something we can agree on!
I too think it's hilarious, just how much you can contradict yourself is frankly staggering 🙂
Dunt getting Starmered.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1498629862361382919?t=FPicgRGmLUrEIg9QaXUuDA&s=19
Even with my low opinion of Starmer I really struggled to believe that ^^ could be true.
Tragically it turns out that there are Tory MPs who apparently feel more compassion towards war refugees than the current Labour leadership.
This link isn't behind a paywall :
I guess it's another case of "what would the Daily Mail say?" that is dictating the position taken by the Labour Party.
Yes I can see, but how was it ever going to be kept secret?
It was kept secret for long enough for him to win a leadership election claiming to be a kind of unity/continuity candidate, because this kind of corporate/Blairite funding would have blown that position out of the water.
Ukrainian refugees? Focus group says no
What does Monty F Python have to say about this?
It would appear Starmer wants to copy Corbyn's clever strategy of "constructive ambiguity", which won so many people over.
Should Johnson resign? Well yes and no apparently.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-labour-insist-boris-johnson-26397996
That's the confused position that voters love to support.
Starmer is backing the government on sanctions on those connected to the Russian government, and even encouraging them to go further and act faster... while also still saying that Johnson should resign, but not pushing it right now as the focus is on Ukraine... and you think this is the wrong approach because...?
while also still saying that Johnson should resign
Not according to the link ;
"Keir Starmer twice declined to repeat his call for Boris Johnson to quit over Partygate in a BBC interview. "
He kept the focus on Ukraine and Russia in that interview. Putting forward the "united" position as regards Russia (which is as much about pressuring the government to act as it about supporting their actions) starts to get very wobbly if it's mixed with fresh calls for the PM to resign. Focus on Ukraine now. Any repeating of calls for the PM to resign in interviews right now, when talking about the response to the war, isn't going to achieve anything or help anyone. Johnson should go. Shouting about that now in interviews about Ukraine is pointless. Pushing the government on Russian money, and distancing Labour from those focusing on Nato not Russia who used to lead the party, is absolutely everything politically right now if the aim is to be considered a government in waiting.
Johnson will give Labour plenty more chances to call for him to go. The police might even help with that (although few people are really holding their breath there).
Johnson should go. Shouting about that now in interviews about Ukraine is pointless.
No one asked Starmer to shout, he was asked a direct to which he could have given a direct answer. And it wasn't an interview about Ukraine, he was being interviewed as leader of the Labour Party. Or do you think the BBC asked an inappropriate question?
But if you think Starmer is doing a fine job as Labour Party leader then that's great Kelvin. However recent polls don't seem to be backing your confidence, the last two have only given Labour a 3% lead over the Tories.
It's almost as the Tories haven't had crises and negative headlines to deal with.
* Edited as I inadvertently exaggerated the Labour lead over the Tories, it's not as much as 5%
the last two have only given Labour a 5% lead over the Tories
They still have a lead? I’m surprised and pleased.
If his poll ratings slide any more he can always propose nukeing Moscow. Should piss off the lefty peacenik fith columnists some more which seems to be his main priority. He probably sees nuclear destruction as a price worth paying to finally rid the party of any remaining handwringing lefties.
Don’t wars always favour the incumbent government in the polls?
If Starmer keeps pressing on the Boris has to go line right now, it’ll be pounced on by the media as political point scoring during a crisis
If Starmer keeps pressing on the Boris has to go line right now, it’ll be pounced on by the media as political point scoring during a crisis
So why doesn't he make his position clear when asked?
He is asked a direct question so he should give a direct answer, or do voters prefer politicians to fudge issues?
How long can the Leader of the Opposition avoid issues so as not to incriminate himself?
His position seems to be "yes I am calling for the Prime Minister to resign but I won't say it publicly".
Perhaps he can provide clues as to where he stands by winking and tapping his nose?
They still have a lead? I’m surprised and pleased.
The Tories stagger from one crises of their own making to the next crises of their own making, Starmer is doing everything correctly, apparently, this results in Labour having a 3% lead, and you are surprised and pleased?
Remind me, you're not a Tory, right?
Starmer is doing everything correctly, apparently
If you're just going to keep making up your own points to argue about, you don't need anyone else to get involved. Carry on...
Fairy nuff, you weren't defending Starmer's leadership. I am apparently mistaken. You ought to perhaps make your criticism of him more obvious though.
make your criticism of him more obvious
[ and breath ] ... I have done, many times. And I didn't expect Labour to be ahead in the polls at this point because... end of Covid measures means voters want to move on from everything pandemic related, including Johnson's slow/late/absent decision making throughout it and his "one rule for you, another for us" approach to social distancing rules... plus Russia's actions give him a chance to look like a present rather than absent PM for a while... even when he has to be pushed into action (again), he can claim he's leading, the situation will enable him to get the benefit of the doubt over it, for a few months anyway. I would expect with any leader Labour would be falling behind at this point, never mind one I think fails to connect to voters. But I was replying to your original point about Starmer not using a recent TV interview to reiterate that Johnson should go. How Starmer handles this moment, and tries to present the UK as united in the face of Russia's actions, and push the government into acting deeper and quicker as regards people connected to the Russian government (currently or recently), I do happen to think he's getting that right. Acting "together" with the government in a way that also highlight's Johnson's slow and reluctant actions as regards Russia, and questions the closeness of Johnson and his party to people that should be caught up in sanctions, has been pretty smartly done.
Should Johnson resign? Well yes and no apparently.
I think it just recognises facts on the ground. Labour still want him to resign over what happened about the flat and breaking lock-down, but given that we are now, Tory MPs won't vote to get shot of him.. Events move and suddenly no one really cares about lock down drinks a year ago.
That’s the confused position that voters love to support.
Politics is messy and confusing sometimes
Acting “together” with the government in a way that also highlight’s Johnson’s slow and reluctant actions as regards Russia.
You think 'letting' the Government make a mess is good opposition?
He tried this approach with Covid. Result - Government still made a mess to the detriment of everyone.
I think Johnson will walk this current crisis in terms of polling.
Natural territory.
Starmer doesn't realise he's isolating himself more and more as he hides behind the Tories.
Given how lagging the polls are and where Labour were a couple of months ago and how the Tories have closed the gap; Tories will be ahead very soon.
(although the cost of living is boxing them in too.)
You think ‘letting’ the Government make a mess is good opposition?
Who said that? I said… oh, what’s the point, it’s all there to read. You can just make up your own stuff and argue with yourself about it as well.
Tories will be ahead very soon.
I expect so as well. And maintain a lead for a few months.
Looking at this I reckon Starmer is well on his way to doing a John Smith. It’s a hard life agreeing with the tories all the time.
https://twitter.com/women4wes/status/1500835264834506753?s=21
Show us your mug shots over the same period Dazh, for comparison.
😘
I look just as good at 54 as I did at 49 but you are not seeing my portrait in the loft.
I think the photo from 5 years ago was a flattering photo and the current photo is about as bad as he could look so a slightly skewed comparison from "Women for Wes". Who is Wes I wonder?
To be fair you can see it in all leaders.
Who said that? I said… oh, what’s the point, it’s all there to read. You can just make up your own stuff and argue with yourself about it as well.
Yeah often feel the same.
Thought you said acting together with the Government. Apologies for the misinterpretation.
Blimey, he must be a very thirsty boy to look as porculent as that.
He could have been good, such a shame.
Is Labours position on Ukranian refugees exactly the same as the Tories? Or is it being misrepresented on Twitter? (Owen Jones)
& prefer the second pic tbh. 1st is a bit too Zoolander for me.
Is Labours position on Ukranian refugees exactly the same as the Tories? Or is it being misrepresented on Twitter? (Owen Jones)
Not seen Jones' posts, but it's not the same... but it also not good enough. They haven't called for open visa free access, like the rest of Europe, which comes from a position of cowardice in my opinion. All the calls to open/widen/accelerate our system amounts to very little... do what everyone from Ireland to Iceland is doing... open door to any Ukrainian and put in place whatever is required for them. Put a three year limit on right to stay if you feel you need to do so to appease those scared of foreigners, and increase vetting once people are here. But don't keep them out. Let them in at speed, process them once they have a roof over their heads.
I prefer the second pic tbh.
I prefer the Thunderbird puppet look.
Liberals lining up to be disappointed at Labour's focus group love-in decisions - that they thought were the path to victory.
Brains made from philadelphia. Light philadelphia.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1501823020784046083?t=7NoSkRnxPF1FXhPOaoqi_w&s=19
I think one of my first comments on this thread was that you never out Tory the Tories.
Brains made from philadelphia. Light philadelphia.
That's no way to talk about a brilliant forensic mind!
The irony is that it is pretty damn obvious that showing compassion and humanity towards Ukraine war refugees under current situation is likely to have huge voter appeal. Even the Daily Mail appear outraged by Priti Patel's position on the issue.
What do Starmer fans think?
What do Starmer fans think?
Are there any Starmer fans here?
I’m not a Starmer fan. But cowardice about being labelled as being in favour of “open doors” or “open borders” has come about because promising to keep people out (yes including refugees) has resulted in us leaving the EU and the Conservatives being led by the people that now lead it… and the UK. Yes, most people are in favour of visa free access for Ukraine refugees right now. But there is a section of the population for whom keeping people out is a strong motivation to vote, and a big factor in how they vote.
In my opinion, Starmer should ignore this political reality, and stand up for refugees, and call for the UK to do what the rest of Europe are doing. But come the election, it would be used in the inevitable “Labour are pro-EU and pro-immigration” campaigning. He should take the political fight head on. That he is reluctant to do so is down to the success of recent campaigns by others.