Well if it was in the Spectator, case closed your honour
Well, he stood as a candidate for the Brexit party and writes for the Spectator. And you love using the phrase he invented. Makes you think...
Just because you broadly disagree with somebodies views doesn't make them wrong about everything. If you look at what I was referring too, specifically... the outpouring of frankly cringy, cultish, hero-worshippy support for Corbyn yesterday (it got very, very competitive to see who could expres their love and devotion the most) then I can't think of a more apt phrase than 'virtue signalling'
It sums it up in a nutshell for people of all manner of political views
But what you're doing here is highlighting why 'The Left' so easily alienates such large swathes of the electorate by hectoring and dismissing those they deem to be insufficiently possessed of enough righteousness to be one of their hallowed and sainted number.
Add David Lammy to the list of blasphemers, comrades...
But what you’re doing here is highlighting why ‘The Left’ alienates large swathes of the electorate by hectoring those they deem to be insufficiently possessed of enough righteousness to be one of their hallowed and sainted number.
Or just pointing out when someone is very confused about their politics. 🤷♂️
If you look at what I was referring too, specifically… the outpouring of frankly cringy, cultish, hero-worshippy support for Corbyn yesterday
Why do you follow these people binners? My twitter feed isn't full of anything of the kind.
Just because you broadly disagree with somebodies views doesn’t make them wrong about everything.
That's true but in your case it's reasonable to make an exception.
the outpouring of frankly cringy, cultish, hero-worshippy support for Corbyn yesterday (it got very, very competitive to see who could expres their love and devotion the most)
Where was this, got a link? Sounds interesting.
Just put 'Jeremy Corbyn' or 'David Lammy' into Twitter
Knock yourself out....
How many times per day do you search for Jeremy Corbyn on twitter roughly binners?
I was actually looking for the David Lammy stuff to see what it was he'd actually said, but the righteous anger of the Corbynites was , as you can imagine, somewhat unavoidable
When it comes to expressing their righteous anger, indignation and moral outrage, they're quite prolific, bless 'em
When it comes to expressing their righteous anger, indignation and moral outrage, they’re quite prolific
But are they as prolific as you?
I find the idea hard to imagine.
How many times per day do you search for Jeremy Corbyn on twitter roughly binners?
Enough times to get himself suitably frothy for one of his tedious rants here.
Add David Lammy to the list of blasphemers, comrades…
That was pretty much what I took away from the whole event (well, it’s a non-event really) on Twitter. Express any regret as regards Corbyn and you’re the enemy. Lammy is now on the wrong side [ not in my opinion, I hasten to add ].
Do you not understand that 2017, where the Great Leader led the party to defeat that wasn’t quite as bad as everyone expected, in the face of an opponent who seriously looked like they were trying to throw it, must be respectfully revered as some kind of Maoist ‘Year Zero’?
None can ever call into question the Great Leader or the magnificent defeat victory!
Mention 2019 and 80 seat Tory majorities and it’s off to the re-education camps in the Islington gulag for you, comrade
Do you not understand that 2017, where the Great Leader led the party to defeat that wasn’t quite as bad as everyone expected, in the face of an opponent who seriously looked like they were trying to throw it, must be respectfully revered as some kind of Maoist ‘Year Zero’?
None can ever call into question the Great Leader or the magnificent defeat victory!
Mention 2019 and 80 seat Tory majorities and it’s off to the re-education camps in the Islington gulag for you, comrade
I have absolutely no idea who that is aimed at binners. The person who posted before you was Kelvin but none of that appears to be directed at him.
Is this the equivalent of you standing in the middle of the road shouting abuse at car drivers as they drive past?
Merely agreeing with Kelvin’s point as to the transgression that has landed comrade Lammy on ‘the list’
Express any regret as regards Corbyn and you’re the enemy.
But then, that’s always been the case
It’s definitely not a cult, though. Clearly.
Merely agreeing with Kelvin’s point
Oh I see, you were adding to Kelvin's point because presumably you felt it was missing a protracted rant?!?!
Good ol'binners...... always willing to help out 😅
That was pretty much what I took away from the whole event (well, it’s a non-event really) on Twitter.
I'm not sure that Twitter is evidence of much. See also: stw.
Agreed Ransos.
And I enjoyed Binners’ little rant. It didn’t add anything of substance, but it made me chuckle. And god knows we need to take fun from anything and everything we can this month.
it’s off to the re-education camps in the Islington gulag for you, comrade
This sounds like something from the Museum of Communist Terror. Prizes for guessing which one of binners' heroes set that up?
No Wikipedia!
Here's a clue
the museum’s trustees include the MP and former minister Owen Patterson, the former Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan, the Tory activist Tim Montgomerie, the Conservative peer Nigel Vinson and the Vote Leave digital strategist, Thomas Borwick.
it’s off to the re-education camps in the Islington gulag for you, comrade
The irony being of course that the only people acting like Stalinist authoritarians are Starmer and his 1990s centrist cult followers conducting their paranoid witch hunt against people who describe themselves as socialists or anti-zionists.
And I enjoyed Binners’ little rant
It's the only reason I come here.
There is something hugely entertaining about someone working themselves up into an incandescent frothing rage,
It has been used with great effect since the dawn of comedy.
Binners rants remind of Alf Garnett's rants, I can almost visualize the bulging veins on Warren Mitchell's neck as I read them.
Well, he doesn’t take himself too seriously, we could all learn from that.
Yet he has a bizarre ability to get incredibly wound up about stuff he doesn't actually seem to care about or take seriously at all. It's the football tribalism approach to politics.
You are funny. It’s the “football tribalism” of politics he was poking fun at. And rightly so. Lammy is now “the enemy” for expressing regret about Corbyn. And in today’s politics, he who no longer supports the past leader, and past Labour MP, is our enemy. It’s all nonsense of course, and hopefully completely ignored out in the real world, beyond the empty noise of Twitter and this forum (and no doubt many other corners of social media and the internet).
Lammy is now “the enemy”
Who has been saying that Kelvin? I know that Daz wasn't impressed by recent comments but I can't see where he has claimed that Lammy is now the enemy.
That only exists in you and binners heads as far as I can see.
You are funny. It’s the “football tribalism” of politics he was poking fun at.
Binners might well poke fun at it but he is without doubt guilty of it. Consistency and lack of hypocrisy are not binners strongest points.......he will regularly accuse people of the very things which he is guilty of.
Which of course, however unintentional it might be, greatly adds to the comic value of his rants 🙂
Who has been saying that Kelvin?
The people we both observed on Twitter, that we were both talking about.
And perhaps a few people in this thread. It’s all very dull now. Goodnight.
but I can’t see where he has claimed that Lammy is now the enemy.
If Lammy is the enemy of anything it’s not Corbyn or those of us who wanted him to win an election. He’s the enemy of everyone who wants our politicians to be honest, principled and to act in the interests of their constituents.
In making those comments he wasn’t doing that. He was acting in his own career interests and the interests of those who are seeking to rid the Labour Party of anyone with an opposite view to the current leadership. He allowed himself to be put in the ‘they’re all the same’ box and that’s bigger than any party or factional issue.
What is unprincipled about expressing regret about playing a part in making Corbyn leader, or supporting him as leader? At this point I’d be disappointed with Lammy if he wasn’t prepared to say that on the record. I’m glad Lammy supported Corbyn while he was leader. I’m glad he is supporting the lack lustre Starmer as leader now. Labour MPs that support the elected leader and work to try and get them into office… it’ll never catch on.
perhaps a few people in this thread. It’s all very dull now.
Not too sure eh? I can well understand why it's suddenly become rather dull for you now.
What is unprincipled about expressing regret about playing a part in making Corbyn leader
I’m glad Lammy supported Corbyn while he was leader.
I think you’ve answered your own question. The public want politicians who are principled and act on their behalf not their own and the corporate interests who have privileged access to them.
Lammy supported Corbyn because he thought it would be good for his ‘career’. Now he does the opposite because he thinks it will again be good for his ‘career’. This is exactly the thing that people hate about politics and politicians.
Instead of slagging him off and dredging up the anti-semitism smears again, all he had to say was ‘Corbyn was the democratically elected leader of our party and it was my job to support him’. He didn’t do that though did he?
That Lammy has been supportive of a string of Labour leaders makes him front bench material to me. What do you want from him? To sulk off to the back benches, singing the praises of a failed leader? I just wish Labour had a far more engaging leader for him to be backing right now.
The public want politicians who are principled and act on their behalf not their own and the corporate interests who have privileged access to them.
Is this the same public who just gave Boris Johnson a huge majority?
Just checking?
Is this the same public who just gave Boris Johnson a huge majority?
28% of them, yes.
But with the majority he has, he gets to rule like a medieval king, right?
And that’s what the electorate of this country delivered
And… erm… wasnt his opponent somebody who apparently exemplified all those values you stated, according to his fan club?
Hmmmmmmm
So… given that, would you care to re-state your previous assertion…
That Lammy has been supportive of a string of Labour leaders makes him front bench material to me.
Supporting a leader all well and good. But to then come out and say that you wish you hadn’t, and because you think he’s a racist, just looks a bit stupid. Or it looks like he’s willing to suck up to anyone, even if they were a racist, in order to further his career.
Is this the same public who just gave Boris Johnson a huge majority?
Just checking?
I think it is fair to claim that the public want politicians who are principled and act on their behalf not their own and the corporate interests because it is undoubtedly true.
If you are claiming that the Labour Party shouldn't be concerned by such considerations because Boris Johnson isn't, as you clearly are, then you really need to re-evaluate your morality mate.
I don’t need to question my morality.
I voted for the weirdy beardy bloke. Twice
I’m questioning the faith you’re placing in the electorate given their track record over here last decade
Not great, is it?
I’m questioning the faith you’re placing in the electorate given their track record over here last decade
A significant minority of the electorate. Their track record is poor because the politicians who represent them repeatedly fail to do their jobs and the electorate don’t possess the power to hold them to account.
Have you forgotten why Corbyn trounced (twice) the candidates who you weirdly support today? He won because he offered an alternative to the cynical careerist principle free politics that preceded him. He would have beaten the tories too had those same people and their supporters done what Kelvin wants them to do. They didn’t though did they?
I’m questioning the faith you’re placing in the electorate given their track record over here last decade
No that's not true. You were questioning Daz's claim that the electorate want politicians who are principled and act on their behalf.
There is no doubt that Daz's claim is correct. The idea that the electorate want politicians that are unprincipled and not acting on their behalf is clearly absurd, as well you know.
He won because he offered an alternative to the cynical careerist principle free politics that preceded him.
To an electorate of what? 150,000 people? Most of them doing their A levels. That really went well with the actual electorate, didn’t it?
There is no doubt that Daz’s claim is correct. The idea that the electorate want politicians that are unprincipled and not acting on their behalf is clearly absurd, as well you know
So explain Boris’s 80 seat majority to me then. Because I got the impression that his opponent, who he absolutely trounced, was some kind of living god who exemplified everything you say the electorate actually want
Most of them doing their A levels
Who then went on to vote for starmer. I really don’t understand your hatred for the labour membership when you are one of them.
So explain Boris’s 80 seat majority to me then…
Oh come on man. Are you seriously claiming Johnson’s 80 seat majority is proof of majority support in the electorate despite the documented figures? It’s plainly obvious that the vast majority is against Johnson, but strangely you support the system and people who enable him.
Oh come on man. Are you seriously claiming Johnson’s 80 seat majority is proof of majority support in the electorate despite the documented figures?
He’s got an 8o seat majority delivered by the UK electorate at a general election.
All other figures are kind of academic
Do you lot plan on consciously recoupling with the real world before the next election or are you just happy that you ‘won the argument’ last time and hoping for a similar ‘victory’?
exemplified everything you say the electorate actually want
I haven't said "everything" the electorate actually want, that's just something you have made up.
What I have said is that it is obvious that the electorate don't want unprincipled politicians who don't represent their interests. Only an idiot would suggest that they do.
Your ridiculous counterclaim is based on the fact that Johnson won the last general election.
To use that as proof is as absurd as to claim that because Johnson won the election it proves that the electorate want their politicians to be liars.
The whole premise is wackadoodle nonsense.
What I have said is that it is obvious that the electorate don’t want unprincipled politicians who don’t represent their interests. Only an idiot would suggest that they do
Obvious? Eh? Well colour me, and **** knows how many other people as idiots then.
Boris has an 80 seat majority
His opponent, who was apparently some kind of sainted. Allotment-dwelling deity and a model of honesty and decency lost a massive amount of seats that had been Labour since the ice age
I don’t know what type of crack you lot are smoking but you seriously need to rein it in and maybe consider re-engaging with reality.
Tripping is fine. We’ve all done it. It’s fun. But you can’t run away from reality for ever
