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He’ll have it all mapped out; his rise to become PM, then whatever he can achieve for corporate interests, then to line his own nest once he retires from politics. Just like Blair.
That odious creep Mandleson has his grubby fingers all over Starmer and his policies, not to mention Alister Campbell and his shenanigans
So another candidate gone after being anti-semitic critical of Israel. How many is he going to have left come election day?
Saw Starmer on the news earlier and a reporter asked him ‘who should labour voters vote for in Rochdale’? He didn’t answer. Any labour leader who can’t answer that simple question shouldn’t be the leader.
Sir Kier Starmer’s U-turns has become the stuff of legends!
27 U-turns so far:
And that will brought up by tory election campaign every 10 minutes, which is exactly what I would do if I was in the tory party.
How much that gets to undermine anything he says and how much that sows doubt into potential Labour voters minds who knows but it is going to have some impact.
The other problem is that Starmer is not very good at dealing with anything publicly and always looks caught out/unsure which is not going to help matters on this one.
Is there anything else left to u-turn on?
There's not even anything out there that I can see.
Total despair.
Is there anything else left to u-turn on?
All that is left now is to u turn on the u turns which would actually be a positive outcome.
The other problem is that Starmer is not very good at dealing with anything publicly and always looks caught out/unsure which is not going to help matters on this one.
IMO that is because he relies very heavily on advice, which is why he often comments long after events occur.
As I have repeatedly suggested Starmer is very much the lawyer who is instructed by his client - he needs to consult with people. It also explains why he argues in favour of stuff which he clearly doesn't believe in.
None of that is particularly obvious, or that important, in the case of leader of the Opposition, but it will be a huge problem and his undoing imo when he is Prime Minister. PMs need to think of their feet and respond quickly to fast moving and unpredictable events.
Starmer is going to so regret being PM.
His comment came after the one I quoted, which kind of sums up the petty point scoring that this thread has become.
You see I think threads are just reflections of external factors. No point losing any more sleep than necessary.
Starmer could do something remotely positive and we wouldn't need down that path. Each and every move has been regressive. Thus provokes a pretty strong rejection.
Like I say I'm motivated by disappointment and lack of opportunity for change which can easily be part of winning an election too. Unlike the Sunak thread where constant shock and horror is apparently solved by being a grown-up - whatever that means, this thread at least points to many ways Starmer could still win and offer up better solutions.
He just chooses not to take them, often backed up with lies and misinformation.
Starmer is going to so regret being PM.
Not half as much as we’ll all regret the Tories sneaking back in.
Starmer could do a better job?
I think the hope is he couldn't do a worse job.
Not half as much as we’ll all regret the Tories sneaking back in.
Depending on how badly the Tories do in the next general election it won't necessarily be them who will benefit "if" Starmer fails to satisfy the electorate.
Reform UK are undoubtedly looking at the bigger picture and the Left will almost certainly give up believing that Labour is a vehicle for change.
The left have been forced to start organising as the result of expulsions and Labour support for a genocidal far-right government but its time hasn't come yet.
In the Sunak thread, Sunak was described as "every relationship is transactional" that is exactly how I view Starmer now.
When brexit was still not finalised under Corbyn, he played those of us who wanted to stay in the EU, he saw how that would be popular inside the party. During the leadership campaign he pretended to be more progressive and appeal to the party membership, now we know he clearly has no progressive principles, it was just part of the game to climb another rung on the ladder. The one big policy announcement made after the election, to entice in the progressive voters has now been abandoned.
I could kind of understand when just a few policies fell by the wayside, his supporters still defended him, but it is no longer about individual policies, he is indicating a clear policy direction, and it has **** all to do with supporting the majority of the uk population. He has now moved on to the oligarchs and the "masters of the universe", he knows the tories are currently so despised he doesn't really need to appeal to the voters any more, he has now moved onto the next transaction.
He is exactly the same as Boris and Sunak, they are all sociopaths who think ruling is their right, but Starmer will be more damaging in the long run because he is hollowing out the political party that could actually change things and improve peoples lives.
Very well put.
Good clear piece MSP.
I just can't get my head around why this is a favourable direction over getting stuff fixed (beyond the reform/regulation/efficiency pseudo capitalist supporting claptrap.)
I bang on and on about it but there is no shortage of strong anti-conservative problem solving arguments to be made.
but Starmer will be more damaging in the long run because he is hollowing out the political party that could actually change things and improve peoples lives.
This.
Good insights MSP. I think he often looks like a dithering rabbit in the headlights as he sort of makes a decision then he gets a quiet word in the ear and he has to change it. He doesn't come across as being his own man.
This seems like an ideal moment to give up on FPTP thinking. It's all very well to "keep the Tories out" but the alternative is what we see - a ghost of a Labour party. Voting for your conscience does have an effect - look at UKIP and the Reform parties, and if more people see that they aren't obliged to vote "tactically" then we might see a snowball effect where the political system is not just a closed shop. Or then again, we might not - but surely it's worth a try? What have we got to lose?
Yep, let's do it - when does it start?
when does it start?
So now there are calls for labour to suspend any councillor at the meeting with Azhar Ali because they failed to 'call him out' on his anti-Israel views. What are they going to do suspend every single MP, councillor and member of the party who doesn't like what's going on in Gaza? There won't be much of a party left. 🙄
These witch hunts will no doubt go after Boris Johnson for describing Jewish oligarchs who run the media amongst other tropes, I imagine the editors of these papers have a trove of possible stories that will be dribbled out as we get ever closer to the election. It’s no wonder the Tory party and the Labour Party cozy up and suck the boaby of the owners of these papers, burn the ****ing lot to the ground is my solution.
It's amazing how the horror of people dying and having their lives torn apart seems to be of much less importance whilst all this stuff goes on.
(I know two things can be valid at the same time.)
Another one of those outliers.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1757743150766968845?t=pjyOZXUKr2G-B16hu2XFvA&s=19
These witch hunts will no doubt go after Boris Johnson for describing Jewish oligarchs who run the media amongst other tropes,
Oh, there's nothing fair about it, and of course it's all about political opportunity rather than actual concern about racism. But Starmer weaponised the same issue when it suited him, so what goes around...
But Starmer weaponised the same issue when it suited him, so what goes around…
Whoa hold on, Im not defending starmer in any way possible, 5 or 6 years ago I thought he was alright but over the past couple of years I’ve come to realise he’s just as much of an opportunistic shape shifting **** as the rest of them
Bit awkward. 😬
he has a thing for antisemites obvs
He's not the only one. 🤔
I cant believe Ive sunk to this level!
I think probably the party just needs to disband. It's clearly riddled with racists and anti-semites and can't be trusted to wield power with such ingrained bias and prejudice against the state of Israel and its genocidal actions in Gaza. Or you know, they could just grow a pair and start making the case for peace and justice like it's supposed to do.
Or you know, they could just grow a pair and start making the case for peace and justice like it’s supposed to do.
Its possible to do that without peddling nonsense conspiracy theories
So now there are calls for labour to suspend any councillor at the meeting with Azhar Ali because they failed to ‘call him out’ on his anti-Israel views.
I assumed that you were joking and exaggerating, but I clicked the link. FFS.
The "joke", except that it is not in the least bit funny, is what the Labour Party has become.
Who would have believed a few years ago that condemning a neo-fascist racist and genocidal regime would result in disciplinary action?
As someone who is deeply involved in local solidarity campaigns in support of Palestinian men, women, and children, who are currently being murdered by the IDF, I have to occasionally remind people that the current slaughter is being carried by Israeli zionists, not Jews.
I invariably point out that not all zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists. Indeed some of Israel's most outspoken critics are 100% Jewish.
Keir Starmer has just made my job a little bit harder by deliberately lying and pretending that Netanyahu and his bunch of far-right fascists represent all Jewish people and that to criticise their grotesque racist policies is anti-Jewish.
Its possible to do that without peddling nonsense conspiracy theories
Yup, absolutely, I couldn't agree more. So what "conspiracy theories" are you talking about?
The conspiracy theory is that Israel knew what Hamas had planned for October and let them do it, 'evidenced' by not having troops in the area or even going away from it, just so they could then use it as an excuse to bomb the shit of of Palestine. Sounds like something the Israel government would do, being the utter ****ers they are but just a theory nonetheless.
Not sure if it is the conpiracy theory part or the thinking the Israel government is bad part that is the problem. Probably better if our MPs don't believe in conspiracy theories I suppose.
The president makes contemptuous references to Netanyahu such as “this guy” and “asshole”, according to unnamed sources who spoke to NBC News, and has said Netanyahu wants the war to drag on so he can remain in power.
Maybe Starmer should demand that Biden resign?
The conspiracy theory is that Israel knew what Hamas had planned for October and let them do it, ‘evidenced’ by not having troops in the area or even going away from it, just so they could then use it as an excuse to bomb the shit of of Palestine.
yep, theres plenty of questions to ask about the IDF's catastrophic intelligence failure , that led to the rape and murder of so many Israelis, but to say that
"they deliberately took the security off, they allowed that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want"
is completely baseless and in the context of his comments “people in the media from certain Jewish quarters” were “giving crap” about the MP Andy McDonald, only makes it look much worse
not just offensive but naive and foolish things to have said
is completely baseless
Except that that is what happened. Whether it happened deliberately or not, who can say.
naive and foolish
Possibly so, in the context of Starmer's party. Like Corbyn - a terrible politician, but right on the substance.
The conspiracy theory is that Israel knew what Hamas had planned for October and let them do it
If that's the conspiracy theory it seems that there are quite a few players, including the United States House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047
And of course the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260
Presumably according to Starmer the BBC and US House of Representatives Committee are anti-Semites.
Of course to claim that the Israeli government is lying when it claims to have had no warnings is not a "conspiracy theory" anymore than to accuse the UK government of lying is.
It is strange how genuine "conspiracy theories" falsely claiming that Jews control world is now being used as a tool to silence any criticism of Israel and its war crimes.
My personal view on the matter is the Netanyahu was almost certainly warned that Hamas were planning something big. One of the most shocking aspect of Oct 7 was the apparent total failure of Israeli intelligence - shocking because it doesn't sound feasible.
It is now widely accepted that the female IDF conscripts did warn their superiors of a possible attack, how far that went up the chain isn't known but it is obviously in the Israeli government's interest, especially Netanyahu, to claim that they were not told.
If Netanyahu was told I have no doubt that he did not imagine that it would be on the scale it was, after all no one did. Netanyahu had been lured into a false sense of security and did not feel that Hamas posed a serious threat, everyone accepts that.
So it is perfectly feasible that he thought a Hamas attack could be contained and give him the accuse he needed to go into Gaza. At that point his far-right allies in government were pushing for the full annexation of the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians into Area C.
Palestinians in the West Bank were getting killed daily by both Settlers and the IDF so a new Intifada seemed more than likely. Indeed many believe that Hamas attacked on Oct 7 to take the initiative in what was a rapidly evolving situation.
Anyway that's my IMHO on the matter and unfortunately for Starmer he can't silence me by accusing me of anti-semitism.
Oh and btw, the "Hannibal Directive" is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact. The only dispute is whether it kicked in on Oct 7.
I think most reasonable people accept that it did as a consequence of the total chaos following the devastating attack by Hamas and its allies.
At least some of the 1200 Israelis who died on Oct were killed by friendly fire, either because of the Hannibal Directive or because of IDF incompetence, or more likely both. The IDF are currently experiencing a massive amount of casualties from friendly fire in Gaza. I think the only issue concerning Oct 7 is how many Israelis died from friendly fire, not "if".
Yep, the border guards who repeatedly warned of exercises carried out for year prior to the vicious attack on Oct 7th were belittled and ignored by their superiors, the New York Times carried the story, fact checked and verified.
There were similar theories about 9/11. Let the attacks happen as they won't be that bad, whoops they turned out a lot worse than we imagined (i.e. who actually thought they could fly two planes into buildings) but anyway, let's get on with killing loads of people in revenge.
Link to new C4 report from Dr Andy Ferguson who worked at a hospital in Gaza , I won’t link directly to youtube as I imagine it’ll irk the mods,
I hope the new report to the ICJ by South Africa regarding the Israeli assault on Rafah will force Starmer to pull his head out his arse.
not just offensive but naive and foolish things to have said
Well god forbid anyone offends a government which has murdered and maimed tens of thousands of innocents and made the best part of two million people homeless in a matter of months. It was certainly foolish to say those things and think it wouldn't get back to Netanyahu's chief apologist, but maybe not that naive because for a short while it looked like Starmer was going to forgive him on the grounds that he wasn't a rabid lefty.
And besides, any party which seeks to control what its members think and say to the extent that the labour party does can f*** right off. We've seen many times in history what happens when political parties and leaders exercise such dictatorial control and if the Labour party are going down that path then they're simply not fit to govern a country like the UK which supposedly prizes freedom of speech.
Yep, the border guards who repeatedly warned of exercises carried out for year prior to the vicious attack on Oct 7th were belittled and ignored by their superiors, the New York Times carried the story, fact checked and verified.
BBC ran it a while ago as well. Whatever the reason the warnings were ignored, the attack proved much more successful than anyone probably expected, and gave the Israeli government an excuse to go on what has become an illegal war crime riddled assault on Gaza.
Worrying if that opinion makes me antisemitic, what with extended family being Israeli, and probably serving and maybe dying in this awful shitshow.
Careful now, with that kind of extremist talk I expect Starmer will strike you off his Xmas card list, and put an end to any hopes you held of gaining a seat in parliament under the Labour Party.
Worrying if that opinion makes me antisemitic, what with extended family being Israeli, and probably serving and maybe dying in this awful shitshow.
thats not the same as saying that the israeli government deliberately allowed the massacre to happen to justify what israel are doing now and that "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" were attacking labour MPs
Anyway that’s my IMHO on the matter and unfortunately for Starmer he can’t silence me by accusing me of anti-semitism.
youre not running for MP for a party thats been blasted repeatedly in the media for the last few years for antisemitism
as I said, Ali was naive & foolish to think saying this wouldnt end up with him in the shit
Starmer was willing to stand by him until the comments about jews in the media came out
and any other prospective or current Labour MP will be being scrutinised in exactly the same way, these allegations helped bring down corbyn and the RW press are well aware of that!
and any other prospective or current Labour MP will be being scrutinised in exactly the same way,
Let’s hope the media also go for those in the Tory party such as Boris Johnson’s comments regarding Jews controlling the media and banking,
Let’s hope the media also go for those in the Tory party such as Boris Johnson’s comments regarding Jews controlling the media and banking,
if you think that the tories will be scrutinised over this or any other ism in the same way as Labour, then I have a garden bridge to sell you!
the double standards are pretty epic, but thats the reality of our press & politics
Then in that case this antisemitism witch-hunt is a media led non story and should be treated as such
the double standards are pretty epic, but thats the reality of our press & politics
It is but Starmer has made a fatal mistake by using the AS issue to purge his enemies from the party because it's handed the tories and the RW press all the ammunition they need to use the issue now to question the suitability of pretty much every parliamentary candidate and councillor who dares to express an opinion on the Gaza war. That thing they've feared so much that could derail their election campaign? Well this is it, and they deserve everything they get.
"us government deliverately ignored intelligence about sept 11 attacks so that they had a pretext for big war"
- conspiracy theory
"us government incompetently ignored intelligence about sept 11 attacks, resulting in big war"
- not a consipracy theory
Ah, yes again the opposition leader for the UK is being lambasted because of a conflict that he has zero control over, or ability to stop, and now his reasoning for removing support for a candidate is being 'reworded', Labour removed their backing due to conspiracy theory on the October 7th attack, something that they have stayed on the same page on since the start.
Again, as for the conflict in Gaza (and neighbouring areas to Israel), there is barely a beep in the press these days, nothing on BBC, or other sites, the simple fact is that Netenyahu and his inner circle are just not caring about anyone or any thing, they are ignoring all that ask for ceasefires, or peace, even the US can't get through to them and none of the major powers that could potentially influence them aren't doing anything just now, bar through diplomatic channels. It's a horrific story unfolding daily, and there is no winning outcome i can see for Israel, just a future of them being even more isolated and holding more land that they'll struggle to control.
Ah, yes again the opposition leader for the UK is being lambasted because of a conflict that he has zero control over, or ability to stop
That is very obviously not the case. And I can see why you don't seem to have a problem with Starmer's dishonesty when you yourself have such a relaxed attitude towards the truth.
The only criticism of Starmer that I am aware of refers to things which he definitely has a lot of control over - withdrawal of the Labour whip and wild accusations of anti-semitism.
Interestingly Andrew Feinstein, currently a Labour Party member, and former South African ANC MP and political advisor to Nelson Mandela, is apparently toying with the idea of standing against Keir Starmer at the coming general election, due to Starmer's continued support for the murderous far-right Israeli regime.
Obviously Starmer won't be unseated as he has one of the safest seats in the country, but what makes this particularly interesting is that Andrew Feinstein has not only helped to achieve freedom for a racially oppressed people under an Apartheid regime, but he is himself a Jew whose parents were both Holocaust survivors.
Should Feinstein decide to stand against Starmer (he says he will only do so if the Palestine Solidarity movement gives him their full support) Starmer will not only have to justify his continual support for Israeli Apartheid but he will obviously struggle to dismiss Feinstein as an anti-semite.
Although I don't doubt that he will try to.
If Feinstein does stand against Starmer with the support of Palestinian Solidarity Movement then I’m pretty sure Starmers attack dogs will be frantically attempting to dig up dirt on them both.
That is very obviously not the case. And I can see why you don’t seem to have a problem with Starmer’s dishonesty when you yourself have such a relaxed attitude towards the truth.
Wow, you said that then went on a conspiracy theory rant right after it, you'll have to show all these references to Keir Starmer 'supporting the far right Israeli regime' and the 'wild accusations of anti-semitism'.
If some of the people on here ever want your arguments to be taken seriously then they need to stop rewording everything they say with baseless statements and just stick to the truth, there's enough of that to have healthy arguments.
It’s been well reported that Starmer wholeheartedly supports Zionism, he has openly supported it.
Conspiracy theory rant, wtf are you talking about?
you’ll have to show all these references to Keir Starmer ‘supporting the far right Israeli regime’ and the ‘wild accusations of anti-semitism’.
You seem to live in a parallel universe. Starmer's support for the Israeli government, which is most definitely far-right, is indisputable. And yes of course Starmer makes wild accusations of anti-semitism, as does with tedious regularity the Israeli government - according to them the International Court of Justice at the Hague is anti-semitic ffs.
Jews have been expelled from the Labour Party for alledgedly anti-semitism, that's how wild it's got.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-jews-expelled-from-labour-over-antisemitism
Oh dear:
https://www.parallelparliament.co.uk/mp/rachel-reeves/financial-disclosure
Rachel Reeves Financial Disclosures
Name of donor: Lord Bernard Donoghue
Address of donor: private
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: £10,100 for campaigning support in my constituency
Date received: 22 January 2024
Date accepted: 22 January 2024
Less than two weeks later:
"Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves are ditching Labour’s flagship policy pledge to spend £28bn a year on green investment"
Lord Donohue:
Donoughue’s 30 shareholdings include four investment funds that list BP and Shell in their top five holdings, while another fund has shares in ExxonMobil, the House of Lords’ latest Register of Interests shows.
Donoughue has repeatedly cast doubt on the importance of tackling climate change, calling efforts to reduce emissions “virtue signalling” and the climate change movement “evangelical.”
Just a coincidence I guess.
I know we can't help ourselves (look at me, I just incorrectly told the whole of STW we were about to be nuked from orbit) but this thread is either going to get locked, or at the very least some mod is going to have to have a good sweep up in the morning.
we can’t help ourselves
Expressing a variety of opinions about the current leader of the Labour Party in a perfectly reasonable way?
Quite unlike the Rishi Sunak thread.
Yeah I don't see the issue. This thread is critical of both leaders and world events.
"The Labour leader and his officials will spend the next few days deciding how to handle an SNP motion on the Middle East crisis"
I bet they will. They won't want to rush and support a ceasefire. They will want to carefully discuss any possible fallout from their decision, which is obviously their priority - not the thousands of dead, mutilated, and orphaned children.
Up until now Starmer's line has been to simply parrot Joe Biden's line, so first calling for a humanitarian pause, and then a sustainable ceasefire. Maybe Biden will help Starmer out by calling for an immediate ceasefire before the SNP motion?
I'm sure Biden will be awaiting the SNP motion, i mean what is the motion, does it involve peacekeepers, or sanctions, or something more decisive?
i mean what is the motion, does it involve peacekeepers, or sanctions, or something more decisive?
If you read the link you wouldn't have to ask that question argee. Stephen Flynn the SNP leader in Westminster makes clear the purpose of the motion:
"The UK parliament cannot just sit on its hands and do nothing. International pressure is paramount if an immediate ceasefire is to happen – and the UK has a moral duty to do its part."
Although at this point we don't know how, or if, Starmer will whip Labour MPs one thing that we can be absolutely certain about is that Starmer will consider the consequences of this vote extremely seriously - hence the Guardian headline.
But you on the other hand argee consider it to be a completely irrelevant and unimportant vote, right?
If only Starmer agreed with you. It would certainly make his life as Leader of the Labour Party a tiny bit easier.
No the "main reason" the SNP are raising this motion is so that the UK can, along with the international community, exert pressure and help to save innocent lives.
Is it really beyond your comprehension that people can be horrified by the current slaughter occurring in Gaza without having any ulterior motives?
And why should it be assumed that it will cause "conflict" in the Labour Party?
The issue of a ceasefire does not seem to be causing any conflict within the SNP and LibDem parties.
The only reason it might cause conflict within the Labour Party is because of Starmer. You cannot blame the SNP for that. Although you will obviously try to.
Up until now Starmer’s line has been to simply parrot Joe Biden’s line
But now Biden called Netanyahu an “asshole” Will we see Starmer follow suit?
No the “main reason” the SNP are raising this motion is so that the UK can, along with the international community, exert pressure and help to save innocent lives.
So if they're looking at exerting pressure internationally, why use parliament, when there are international organisations, courts, etc that are managing this activity in unison, the motion failed once, it'll fail again because the tories vote against it.
Is it really beyond your comprehension that people can be horrified by the current slaughter occurring in Gaza without having any ulterior motives?
Everyone is horrified by the Gaza conflict, i'm just not impressed with politics coming into play around it, or empty words.
And why should it be assumed that it will cause “conflict” in the Labour Party?
Because it has, it's not assumed, it's fact.
The issue of a ceasefire does not seem to be causing any conflict within the SNP and LibDem parties.
And how do they get a ceasefire, instead of virtue signalling, how do you actually get a ceasefire between Israel, led by a hard right who believes in one state, that's what needs to be worked internationally.
The only reason it might cause conflict within the Labour Party is because of Starmer. You cannot blame the SNP for that. Although you will obviously try to.
Yeah, 100% all about Starmer, nothing else, he's the devil incarnate.
So if they’re looking at exerting pressure internationally, why use parliament
As a wild guess because they are Uk politicians.
Everyone is horrified by the Gaza conflict, i’m just not impressed with politics coming into play around it, or empty words.
Really? Plenty of people dont seem to give a toss.
Did you get equally outraged about the glorious leader speaking out in support for Israel or is your outrage selective?
Because it has, it’s not assumed, it’s fact.
Only if Starmer decides to get authoritarian on the issue which, admittedly, is generally a good bet with him.
Its hilarious how you are parroting the tory attack lines with "virtue signalling", "playing politics" etc.
Before we go too navel gazing, another ceasefire vote is not entirely comfortable for the Tories either. A lot of the public, supporting all parties, want the horror to stop and humanitarian aid rushing in.
I think the Israelis have pushed on so far with their offensive since the last ceasefire call that Starmer has room to "seek advice" (aka read the room) and support it, but he needs to try and get the jump on the messaging ahead of Tory U turn claims.
He's got a chance to isolate the government on a contentious issue and make them look unpopular, as well as do the "right" thing. Win/win.
It won't happen.
I figure this thread is the best place for this interview with Yanis Varoufakis, he rips apart the current Labour Party, Keir Starmer and specifically Rachel Reeves
Quote : I’d prefer to have bastards in power who claim to be bastards representing the Aristocracy than Bastards in power who claim to be representing the working class
Before we go too navel gazing, another ceasefire vote is not entirely comfortable for the Tories either. A lot of the public, supporting all parties, want the horror to stop and humanitarian aid rushing in.
They have, i think David Cameron has pretty much gone the furthest in terms of declaring that the UK are against the current conflict with the statement regarding the UK recognising the Palestinian State, sounds small, but is quite a big statement to make against Netanyahu.
The reality though is that any vote will be voted down by tories, the west are staying in lockstep and working with the US, and nobody will break the line, you'll get the odd politician making statements, like Cameron has, but it'll just be words until the US actually do something drastic, which in an election year is going to be a nightmare to get parties behind, especially with Trump running around like a dafty.
Watty
I’ve just watched that whilst on the turbo
What is it we say? Ah yeah. Username checks out...
so that express poll definitely looking like an outlier
before this one below the average tightening had been 2%
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1758498007337558337
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1758519448435069424?t=WgcvDCjlW_gh_RlQurVsEw&s=19
Someone likes the Tories.
Someone likes the Tories.
Well they have been doing a lot of good stuff.
I know we're not supposed to cross post but
I’d forgotten about the by elections, just caught up on the results.
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Obviously Starmer’s Labour party has got it all wrong and will be rejected by the electorate.