Not Starmer. 2019 manifesto.
He’d probably have dropped that too if he’d had half a chance.
The good ideas came in 2017 and 2019. Starmer doesn’t have any of his own.
So it would be better if he didn't try to implement this?
Did Johnson just accuse Starmer of corruption in PMQs, then not withdraw it? Pretty noisy, so I might just have missed it - any penalty if he didn't withdraw it?
No, he (claims he) said “mish-conduct”. The man’s a joke.
No, he (claims he) said “mish-conduct”.
Yes it was a hilarious joke based on Starmer having done some work for Mischon de Reya law firm.
Top bants there from the combover.
No, he (claims he) said “mish-conduct”. The man’s a joke.
Ah - very droll. He sounded poorly - hope he gets worse soon.
Just seen the highlights from PMQs, someone put an extra shot of expresso in shot of expresso in starmers coffee today
Johnson is failing to get a grip on the sleaze thing and Starmer seems much more comfortable on this than anything else
Both Starmer and Hoyle giving johnson a kicking.
Made my day.
You know how Starmer made a point about the Randox documents… in a “we’ll believe it when we see it” way…
https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1460983127153823746?s=21
At this rate the Tories will ditch Johnson before the GE, whch actually kinda sucks for starmer because as an ex QC he seems most comfortable going after the sleaze angle- and you know that johnson is in up to his nuts in all kinds of corruption
Both Starmer and Hoyle giving johnson a kicking.
Made my day.
Caught a clip of Hoyle on the news headlines. Made me happy.
The sleeper has awakened
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1461248186320891917?t=U8zs53KVPXGtAcgRdqTZ1Q&s=19
A key point and would make it even more obvious, i.e. an MP getting paid £100,000 for 4 hours work a year. I wonder why anyone would pay that much for 4 hours work…
Someone who’s far better with words has put it better than either you or I could…
https://twitter.com/frankcottrell_b/status/1461267618665574409?s=21
Hoyle finally growing a pair with Johnson just furthers the idea the Tories are getting ready to ditch him, IMO.
Now Graham Brady has been dragged into 2nd jobs row, he might well be soliciting those letters
fwiw I dont think Johnson is done yet, the Daily Mail just fired Jordy Greig who was antibrexit and has been instrumental in attacking Johnson lately, Dacre is heading to OFCOM & his protege is being brought in to replace Greig
FFS! Is that it?!
https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1461369398485303303?s=21
Even I’m starting to miss Grandads shouty 10 second YouTube rants. At least he meant it.
There’s a general feeling in the north about this total betrayal, which registers on the scale as ‘apoplectic’ with many people, that we’re having the piss taken out of us and this is the best he can muster
And this is in the constituencies he needs to win back
Absolutely ****ing clueless!
Will the last person out of the Labour Party office kindly turn off the lights. I think they’re done
Andy Burnham was quoted on R4 news about it, Starmer wasn't even mentioned.
BBC News had Starmer saying levelling up was a Tory luevsnd you couldn't believe a word they said.
For once I thought he was getting the message and tone right. Very dependent on how widely it gets reported, but more people probably saw it than read that thst lame Twitter post
Starmer was looking way more confident on the news earlier than he has in a while.
See his HR is at least at 95bpm here
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1461321825951096839?t=eh7Z4Ygrxa37MnclJyyr4Q&s=19
Oh really? (jokes aside you would've at least expected a few weeks of the Tories on an immediate downtrend.)
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1461642155164938240?s=20
Corruption doesn't stick - maybe for a few days.
Absolutely ****ing clueless!
Will the last person out of the Labour Party office kindly turn off the lights. I think they’re done
And that's why Labour polling is crap.
Starmer doesn't do politics.
(He'd be okay helping you sort a spreadsheet for areas with limited cycle infrastructure.)
jokes aside you would’ve at least expected a few weeks of the Tories on an immediate downtrend.
Tbh I'm surprised it lasted that long. Once the Tories backtracked on Paterson I expected them to recover fairly quickly in the opinion polls.
One greedy individual who has been caught out is unlikely to damage a political party, whatever hue it might be, but the party throwing its weight behind him is likely to cause a public backlash.
Johnson has corrected his error over Paterson and whilst there might still be a few ripples to be felt I think it is unlikely to cause lasting damage.
After all the opposition hasn't changed due to this debacle, and an effective opposition is the only sure way to defeat Johnson/the Tories. Relying on Johnson's regular blunders to defeat the Tories is a particularly poor strategy.
Johnson has been performing blunders throughout his political life. It didn't stop him from becoming leader of the Tory Party, becoming Prime Minister, and easily winning a general election.
Same polling data saw Starmers approval above Johnsons for first time in a long time
https://twitter.com/OprosUK/status/1461427813798629377
its bascically saying theyre level given margin of error
now obviously that isnt good enough midterm and while its an improvement on 2019 it likely means a Tory government for the forseeable
Whilst personal approval polls are great fun the only question that actually matters is, "how would you vote if there was a general election tomorrow?".
Btw Priti Patel in fourth place is scary.
And Liz Truss in fifth just funny.
Sunak in first place is scary; balance the books = more austerity.
His personal circumstances mean he's totally insulated from the effects of any policies which are implemented on his watch.
He's equally as corrupt as any other tory - just in a different way.
Johnson has been performing blunders throughout his political life. It didn’t stop him from becoming leader of the Tory Party, becoming Prime Minister, and easily winning a general election.
All of your text rings true Ernie.
But I'm still expecting a bit of fatigue to gnaw away at their polling eventually. If not now - when?
Sunak in first place is scary; balance the books = more austerity.
Yup.
Although to be fair all Tory politicians are generally well insulated from the effect of their economic policies. Which is of course why they fear a left-wing Labour government so much.
Sunak in first place is scary; balance the books = more austerity.
His personal circumstances mean he’s totally insulated from the effects of any policies which are implemented on his watch.
He’s equally as corrupt as any other tory – just in a different way.
Absolutely, this incompetent idiot is dressed up as some sort of super economist.
He's exactly the opposite; tells lies about macro-economic policy, distorts the truth about growth and expectation, chief Brexiteer - and architect of the eat out to help out.
And as you say one of the Tory conference fools that talks up tightening the government's belt as though it's a sound economic thing to do.
He's terrible but has a polished media image.
Meritocracy doesn't matter with the Tories.
He’s terrible but has a polished media image.
Very much like Cameron then.
Sunak did a really good job of distancing himself from dropping HS3 & NPR, despite the exchequer being apparently a driving force behind dropping it.
He couldn’t do that without the cabinet, not least the PM, being happy to go along with it. Succession.
From his first speech as an MP:
https://twitter.com/mrdandonoghue/status/1461261805863555081?s=21
Now Starmer won't say whether he thinks Corbyn would have been a better PM than Johnson. This is a man for whom he served in the shadow cabinet.
What does it say about Starmer's judgment if he now thinks his party leader wasn't fit to be PM, when compared to the narcissistic buffoon we now have in power.
I meant mainly it just says he's too scared to upset the Daily Mail/his Blairite backers by saying anything positive about Corbyn. Just comes out looking weak and spineless, again.
Well it sends a clear message to voters that they were right to vote Tory.
But perhaps he should be a bit more self-critical and admit that as chief architect of Labour's second referendum election policy he bears a personal responsibility for Johnson's huge majority.
Perhaps the “Johnson vs Corbyn” election is long behind us, and telling the voters now that they should have chosen Corbyn, telling them that they voted the wrong way in 2019 (I think they did), isn’t the way for the new leader to signal to them that they have been listened to, and the party has changed. The focus needs to be “we get that you liked what Johnson was saying, but he is letting you down, his promises mean nothing, he doesn’t serve you he serves himself and his contacts”… all focus should be on the choices voters have coming their way. It is highly likely that voting for Johnson again will be one of those choices. Voting for Corbyn won’t be.
I also wouldn't be able to say whether Corbyn would have been a better PM than Johnson.
I think he would have been pretty useless in fact. I would still MUCH rather have a useless Corbyn (and his associated party and polices) than a useless Johnson but that is not the question.
I’d take Corbyn over Johnson any day. But then I voted Labour when Corbyn was leader. Telling me I was right, wise, smart, conscientious, righteous for backing the loser might make me feel good, but so what? If Starmer nails himself to the mast of Corbyn’s ship now, he’s sunk. The answer is to de-personalise it… “any Labour government would be better for the country than any Conservative government”. Lecturing the voters that they should have backed someone who is now not even a Labour MP doesn’t seem wise.
How often does Johnson have to field questions about Hague or Howard as alternative PMs?
I also wouldn’t be able to say whether Corbyn would have been a better PM than Johnson.
He would have been a magnitude better.
He might have had flaws but he's honest and decent enough to have put the country in the right place.
There is nothing positive about Johnson.
I would still MUCH rather have a useless Corbyn (and his associated party and polices) than a useless Johnson but that is not the question.
That is just a messy way of saying you thought Corbyn would've have been better. No need for gritted teeth.
I also wouldn’t be able to say whether Corbyn would have been a better PM than Johnson.
Yeah but I am fairly confident that you are not leader of the Labour Party.
I have no idea who you voted for last election kerley or who you are likely to vote for next general election, but I do expect the leader of the Labour Party to be a Labour Party supporter.
At least Tony Blair came out and said he would rather a left-wing Labour party lost. I guess it would be weird for Starmer to say that when he would have been part of the government.
"He has also said he does not think the big six energy companies should be brought into public ownership, in a rejection of the sweeping nationalisation Labour planned in 2019."
It is interesting that the Guardian should describe it as simply "a rejection of the sweeping nationalisation Labour planned in 2019" when much more significant is that it is a rejection of Starmer's own personal pledge he made in 2020, never mind 2019.
Starmer pledge number 5 in fact :
Common ownership
Public services should be in public hands, not making profits for shareholders. Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water; end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system.
The one thing that is absolutely certain about Starmer is that he cannot be trusted at all on any commitments he has made in the past, is making now, and will make in the future.
Voters will never be in a position to know what to expect from Starmer, apart from dishonesty.
He will say whatever he feels he needs to say to gain support without any actual commitment whatsoever.
British politics deserves better.
British politics deserves better.
Given our recent voting record I'm not sure we do 🙂
The whole system needs a massive shake up but that won't be happening anytime soon
He's also going to 'balance the books' guys, austerity isn't dead yet.
The abandonment of energy privatisation is deeply disappointing. Now do freedom of movement of workers…
The abandonment of energy privatisation is deeply disappointing.
The wholesale nationalisation isn't a panacea, just nationalise a chunk, then use it as a comparator and drive the others to meet or exceed the performance of the nationalised bit. Doesn't get everyone overexcited about lefty sweeping nationalisation, reduces cost and risk, makes room for more innovation, achieves the outcomes desired.
The one thing that is absolutely certain about Starmer is that he cannot be trusted at all on any commitments he has made in the past, is making now, and will make in the future.
Voters will never be in a position to know what to expect from Starmer, apart from dishonesty.
Completely.
Though Starmer acting in the interests of the market is absolutely no surprise.
He's all about the status-quo. He sees that as the path to centrist victory.
Shortly everything will be in such a mess anyone with half a brain will realise we can't carry on with the same ideology - which Starmer is intent on.
