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A politician who lies. That’s settled it for me then.
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How would you rate this country’s performance on COVID deaths relative to the rest of Europe?
Really poor, how about you?
Even super 'centrist' Andy Burnham doesn't know what Starmer stands for in a Times piece today.
The Tories outflanked Labour (15bn v 6.6bn) on their suggested support package. And Labour are still talking about tightening fiscal belts. It's woeful.
(clue - 15bn won't be enough.)
didn’t present any of his own
Lies, lies, lies, lies.
There's a whole thread on this. Take a read there about the calls from the opposition, especially Starmer, for measures that the government dithered and delayed over (or just refused to put in place at all).
That the government required Labour votes to implement ANY measures as regards Covid, because of some of their own ostrich like back benchers, does not mean that the opposition just nodded along without proposing and pushing on what should be done.
There’s a whole thread on this.
Don't mistake rhetoric for policy. The only thing he ever differed on was calling for an earlier lockdown in the second covid wave. On every other thing he supported Johnson. The end result two and a half years later is the tories saying 'Boris got us through the pandemic' with almost no challenge from labour or anyone else. What should have been a mark of shame for Johnson is now one of his main soundbites and will probably be a future campaign slogan. How the hell have labour allowed 200k deaths and millions with long covid to be portrayed by the tories as a success?
On every other thing he supported Johnson.
Labour “supported Johnson” otherwise we’d have had no measures at all, and far more dead. But they pushed policies the whole way. You’re just making stuff up, sorry. Anyway, I’m out, bored of the loud but blinkered. Starmer can do no right. We get that you think that now. End of thread.
Work avoidance and general procrastination. Isn’t that what this place is for?
Certainly is for me and I would bet money that most of the posting on this forum is between 09:00 - 17:00 Monday to Friday. Threads like this one are just the sort of discussion I would have had in the pub when I was 19.
Starmer can do no right.
Go on then, what has he done right?
Go on then, what has he done right?
Pledged to keep the UK out of Europe?
From what I remember, that was the point where I said, 'I'm out' and you said, 'But he has no choice, of course he had to break that promise.'
Then he broke some other promises that you were quite keen on and you decided he was the Devil incarnate.
^😂
I think you might be confusing the Labour Party with the LibDems BW. It was them who pledged that a LibDem government would be committed to rejoining the the EU.
No second referendum was needed, the LibDem leader said, just vote LibDem. She lost her seat in the following general election.
In contrast Labour always claimed that they would honour the referendum result, even when Starmer was shadow brexit minster.
Sorry, should have specified it was his Freedom of Movement U-turn rather than the EU in general.
Gotta pander to those racists.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-labour-free-movement-eu-pledge-b1785041.html
COVID deaths relative to the rest of Europe?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01526-0
(Actually look a bit worse now WHO has moved Germany below UK having redone the sums)
Pledged to keep the UK out of Europe?
Has he pledged that? Like everything else he's said almost nothing on whether we should rejoin the EU or stay out. He won't even talk about it, which is a bit odd considering he was labour shadow brexit minister and the chief architect of Corbyn's disastrous second referendum policy. Even then, if the only thing we can agree that he's done right is saying nothing about the single most seismic and disruptive policy of the last 80 years does that make him fit to be Prime Minister?
Has he pledged that?
Like I said, I was thinking about his Freedom of Movement u-turn which, if I remember correctly, was a campaign promise you supported him breaking.
Even then, if the only thing we can agree that he’s done right is saying nothing about the single most seismic and disruptive policy of the last 80 years what does that make him fit to be Prime Minister?
I haven't thought he was fit to be PM since he broke his FOM campaign promise.
You disagreed with me at the time.
You disagreed with me at the time.
Well I did vote for him to be leader if you remember. We're all allowed to change our minds when the evidence shows we were wrong.
Well I did vote for him to be leader if you remember. We’re all allowed to change our minds when the evidence shows we were wrong.
Of course.
I just find it interesting that when I said I wouldn't vote for him I was a neoliberal stooge who didn't have the best interests of working people at heart.
Now people who would still vote for him are neoliberal stooges who don't have the best interests of working people at heart.
It's funny how anyone you don't agree with at any particular moment becomes the enemy.
It’s funny how anyone you don’t agree with at any particular moment becomes the enemy.
I was wondering that too 😉
I can only assume he's plant to keep people voting anyone but conservatives and split the vote for Boris, lol. I think you have a choice here keep someone who can't keep an ethics advisor or at least someone I at least you can probably agree with on some issues.
JeZ
I just find it interesting that when I said I wouldn’t vote for him I was a neoliberal stooge who didn’t have the best interests of working people at heart.
Well at the time he was selling himself as a Corbynite radical promising to implement the 2017 manifesto and unite the two sides of the party behind it. It was a very attractive proposition, and had he stuck to that he'd be much further ahead in the polls than he is now. That's what people voted for, but not what they got.
Well at the time he was selling himself as a Corbynite radical promising to implement the 2017 manifesto and unite the two sides of the party behind it. It was a very attractive proposition
And I remember when he broke his FOM promise to pander to Brexit voting racists that just made him all the more attractive to you.
I just think you should accept that it's possible to support Starmer without being a Tory-lite neoliberal scumbag.
I wouldn't vote for him myself, but I can definitely see why people would.
when he broke his FOM promise to pander to Brexit voting racists
Are seriously suggesting that not supporting a policy which restricts free & uncontrolled immigration to people from European countries is racist? Or am I misunderstanding?
Are seriously suggesting that not supporting a policy which restricts free & uncontrolled immigration to people from European countries is racist? Or am I misunderstanding?
KS promised to defend FOM (thus not appeasing Brexit voting racists).
Then he u-turned and said he wouldn't support FOM (thus appeasing Brexit voting racists).
Is that what you were asking?
Are seriously suggesting that not supporting a policy which restricts free & uncontrolled immigration to people from European countries is racist? Or am I misunderstanding?
Have you guys seen the new trade deals being signed at the moment? There is one that request s access to the employment market. So people coming over and stealing our jobs is always going to happen. Myself, my family were refugees, so my opinions on this are rather clear 😉
JeZ
I just think you should accept that it’s possible to support Starmer without being a Tory-lite neoliberal scumbag.
I accept the possibility - would you care to evidence it?
Is that what you were asking?
Not exactly but it's a whole different subject so not really appropriate for this thread.
would you care to evidence it?
The main evidence is that he isn't Boris Johnson and right now, even if Jimmy Saville were leader of Labour party, an argument could be made that Johnson is still worse.
There's definitely a case to be made that the best thing to do is to vote for whoever can beat Johnson, regardless of politics.
Saying that though, if I lived in England, I probably wouldn't vote for Starmer. FOM is one of my red lines and I simply couldn't vote for a party that was against it.
Politics in England feels more and more like Sophie's Choice.
Not exactly but it’s a whole different subject so not really appropriate for this thread.
I think the conclusion that we came to last time we discussed Starmer's u-turn on FOM was that England is simply too racist for any party that is trying to gain a majority to support it. Therefore it's good politics and a sensible decision.
At least that's what dazh and binners told me back when they were agreeing.
even if Jimmy Saville were leader of Labour party, an argument could be made that Johnson is still worse.
That's a pretty daft comment to make, you need to get some sort of perspective on things.
I know that vilification of Johnson is subject to inflationary pressures - every day on the Boris Johnson thtead I see the allegations made against him more extreme than the previous day.
The problem with languishing in an echo chamber with people egging each other on and trying to impress others with how much they despise Johnson, and barely any dissenting views to provide a reality check, you start entering the realms of absurdity.
Yesterday I saw him compared to Mussolini, today you suggest that he's worse than Jimmy Saville, what next - Hitler? Eventually you will run out monsters to compare him with and extreme adjectives to describe him. That's the problem with inflation.
England is simply too racist for any party that is trying to gain a majority to support it.
That's pretty daft too.
I think the conclusion that we came to last time we discussed Starmer’s u-turn on FOM was that England is simply too racist for any party that is trying to gain a majority to support it. Therefore it’s good politics and a sensible decision.
Lots of us that were offering a case for Lexit knew this and it would have been preferred over the shower that we knew was coming.
But the ultra-remainers thought they were going to stop everything. And landed us with this path.
That’s a pretty daft comment to make, you need to get some sort of perspective on things.
Yes, it was a deliberate exaggeration in order to make a humourous point that still has some basis in reality. Satire, I believe they call it.
But if you want to take it literally to argue that Johnson isn't as bad as we're all making out then go ahead. Strawman, I believe they call it.
That’s pretty daft too.
Yeah, I tried to make that point when Starmer did his u-turn on FOM.
Like I said, the general consensus went against me.
But if you want to argue that the u-turn wasn't done to appease the Brexit racists then feel free to make that argument. Last time I don't remember anyone trying to make the point that there was any other motivation, just that it was good politics.
But the ultra-remainers thought they were going to stop everything. And landed us with this path.
I prefer to blame Brexit racists for this entire shitshow but if you want to blame remainers then crack on.
Lots of us that were offering a case for Lexit
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Appeasement of values we don't necessarily share, with policies we don't agree with, seems pretty easy to turn on and off.
Labour need to move towards English voters... Oh, Starmer's trying to do that... no, he should move English voters towards the values and polices we want... no compromises.
Sorry... I'll leave you to it. I'll keep out of the way. Carry on...
But the ultra-remainers thought they were going to stop everything. And landed us with this path.
Something about your post has been rattling around at the back of my mind for the past couple of hours. It's the term 'ultra-remainers'.
I decided to google it and sure enough, links to the Daily Express, the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, GB-News, etc popped up.
I'm wondering how exactly ultra-remainers differ from just regular remainers? Is it like antifa? Anti-fascist sounded too reasonable so the right wing had to create the frightening terrorist lefty organisation Antifa?
When did ultra-remainers become a thing? Do you also think that ultra-remainers are some kind of borderline terrorist organisation?
I’m wondering how exactly ultra-remainers differ from just regular remainers
Perhaps ultra-remainers are intolerant extremists who denounce anyone opposed to the EU as racists.
And want to maintain immigration privileges for Europeans over migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Americas, despite the fact non-EU membership no longer makes it a requirement.
Perhaps ultra-remainers are intolerant extremists who denounce anyone opposed to the EU as racists.
And want to maintain immigration privileges for Europeans over migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Americas, despite the fact non-EU membership no longer makes it a requirement.
As Starmer made clear when he did his u-turn, right?
When did you start channeling jambalaya?
When did ultra-remainers become a thing? Do you also think that ultra-remainers are some kind of borderline terrorist organisation?
I'll help.
I'm a remainer but could see what was going to happen. An ultra-remainer couldn't - according to them we were never going to leave the EU.
I didn't get it from any of the newspapers and I'd rather we were in the EU.
Don't take the term too seriously. (The remainiac podcast often uses the term.)
I prefer to blame Brexit racists for this entire shitshow but if you want to blame remainers then crack on.
I agree but who's to say there wasn't another path between disaster Brexit and no Brexit?
And anyway the the point being when Starmer now says there's categorically no appetite for joining the single market again - why the **** don't the Starmer lovies get angry with HIM?
So the man that you all think is this forensic pro-EU mouth piece won't even stand on the side you all wanted.
Labour need to move towards English voters… Oh, Starmer’s trying to do that… no, he should move English voters towards the values and polices we want… no compromises.
But apparently there's a popular case for rejoining the EU?
So why doesn't he take this position.
Or are you simply just saying Starmer will just switch on a whim depending on what he thinks might make him electable.
Okay.
Sorry… I’ll leave you to it. I’ll keep out of the way. Carry on…
I'd rather you didn't there won't be any Starmer supporters left in this thread.
So, what do we reckon? Mr Blue Harbour will renege on the pledge to abolish tuition fees to show fiscal probity, get elected, then go all leftwing and abolish them?
He's really gunning for the younger vote(rs).
The coloured crayon brigade are going to be upset now Marina is speaking against the glorious leader.
So, what do we reckon? Mr Blue Harbour will renege on the pledge to abolish tuition fees to show fiscal probity, get elected, then go all leftwing and abolish them?
He’s really gunning for the younger vote(rs).
He's doing a solid job courting the young vote with this.
I don't think hes going left-wing any time soon.
More to the right. More to the right.
Even I'm taking more paths on the trails that turn right these days.
Wonder what their next digital slogan will be?
The coloured crayon brigade are going to be upset now Marina is speaking against the glorious leader
Lol wonder who's next in the Guardian?
When Freedland has a go we know Starmer is done for. Has Toynbee smelt the coffee yet? Mind you she says Johnson is not going to survive every month. And I remember her recently saying Labour had shelves of winning polices. PMSL.
And I remember her recently saying Labour had shelves of winning polices.
Guess they must be in that locked room which nobody has the key for.
The remainiac podcast often uses the term
😂
It hasn’t even been called Remainiacs for around two years. And as a regular listener, I can confirm that they don’t use the term “often.” And mostly, they’ve left the leave/remain argument behind. Do keep up.
And I remember her recently saying Labour had shelves of winning polices.
I think she meant that they’d shelved their winning policies.
It hasn’t even been called Remainiacs for around two years. And as a regular listener, I can confirm that they don’t use the term “often.” And mostly, they’ve left the leave/remain argument behind. Do keep up
Oh all right - "formerly remainiacs" as it says currently on the podcast. And Ian Dunt has never left that argument behind.
Oh God What now doesn't have the same ring to it.
They talk about it every podcast. I enjoy it - it's a deluded centrist love-in with some good humour.
The main evidence is that he isn’t Boris Johnson and right now, even if Jimmy Saville were leader of Labour party, an argument could be made that Johnson is still worse.
That's a thoroughly unpleasant thing to say.
That’s a thoroughly unpleasant thing to say.
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Quick question. What's more offensive, my crap joke or Johnson accusing Starmer of covering for Jimmy Savile in Parliament?
It wasn't a joke - it wasn't designed to make people laugh. You were clearly making the point that even if the Labour leader was as reprehensible as Britian's most notorious paedophile you would still prefer him to be prime minister.
In other words that is how extremely unimportant you believe the Labour leader's character to be.
You could have made your point without comparing him with a nonce.
The fact that Boris Johnson has said some unpleasant things is irrelevant, despite your attempt to make a connection.
It wasn’t a joke – it wasn’t designed to make people laugh. You were clearly making the point that even if the Labour leader was as reprehensible as Britian’s most notorious paedophile you would still prefer him to be prime minister.
In other words that is how extremely unimportant you believe the Labour leader’s character to be.
You could have made your point without comparing him with a nonce.
The fact that Boris Johnson has said some unpleasant things is irrelevant, despite your attempt to make a connection.
I don't understand, are you trying to make a joke now? Because I'm not sure if I get it.
I'm glad I found this thread again after I gave up on it a year or two ago. It's nice to see where all the closet Johnson fans have come to hide.
Ah, I think I see what the problem is.
I thought my exaggeration was big enough that people would think, 'Ah, that's so far beyond reality it's obviously parody. Not very funny but OK, fine.'
I didn't take into account just how much of a scumbag Johnson is so you think that when I said Jimmy Savile would be a better and less corrupt PM (both morally and financially) than Johnson you thought I was being serious.
Johnson really is like fundamentalist Christians. Impossible to parody without being indistinguishable from the real thing.
I see the Guardian and Observer are ramping up their Starmer out campaign today. A pincer movement from binners’ favourite establishment mouthpiece sticking the knife in and one of the most prominent backbenchers on his brexit silence. Come on Durham cops, put us all out of our misery.
I haven't seen today's Observer but other stuff I have seen recently is starting to suggest to me that you might be right Daz, it looks like the Blairites in the party might be deliberately manoeuvring against Starmer.
To be fair I am surprised it has taken so long. Perhaps they needed him to expel or drive out socialists from the party first so the new Blairite leader would be untainted by highly divisive baggage?
I'm don't know why you are so impatient to see him go though, he will simply be replaced by another right-winger offering nothing more than repackaged Tory policies.
PLP criticism of Starmer appears based on his tactics and strategies, not that he is too right-wing.
Too early for a Wes Streeting thread?
Ooh Andrew Rawnsley is starting to swivel. Must be bad.
Just Freedland (Johnson enabler) now from the big hitters.
I’m don’t know why you are so impatient to see him go though, he will simply be replaced by another right-winger
True. I’m under no illusions that if he goes he’ll be replaced with someone more left wing. Starmer has to go though for no other reason than he’s going to hand the tories another term.
It’ll almost certainly be Reeves or Streeting. Reeves would be a disaster, she’s more conservative and right wing than most tories. Streeting is an interesting one. He’s undoubtedly on the right, but he’s also an attack dog and passionate. I don’t get the impression from Streeting that he’s only there for the power and prestige, and he actually seems to want to do stuff.
Streeting at least opens his mouth which is one notch better.
He's had good media training I reckon, but his pedigree ain't exactly extensive.
Quick question. What’s more offensive, my crap joke or Johnson accusing Starmer of covering for Jimmy Savile in Parliament?
Try using emojis if you're going for humour, it helps the rest of us to tell.
Thats called reality, you honestly think that we would get FOM past our rabidly xenophobic populist outriders? the Rwanda policy is the only think keeping Johnson in his job atm
Thats called reality, you honestly think that we would get FOM past our rabidly xenophobic populist outriders? the Rwanda policy is the only think keeping Johnson in his job atm
Pledge No.6? "Defend free movement as we leave the EU"
So it's okay to keep moving rightwards providing the right set the agenda?
the Rwanda policy is the only think keeping Johnson in his job atm
Starmer is keeping Boris in his job.
So it’s okay to keep moving rightwards providing the right set the agenda?
Its amazing how often "realism" means pandering to Farage and co for the last couple of decades.
Then they wonder why we are in the mess we are.
Its amazing how often “realism” means pandering to Farage and co for the last couple of decades.
Then they wonder why we are in the mess we are.
Originally there was this idea that Starmer wouldn't move to the right - he's just trying to hide Corbyn first and then get on with the real issues - okay we said. (shaking my head.)
Now - as he does move towards the pub brawl - apparently it's a good idea! The same pro-EU voices appear to be no longer fighting this cause any longer.
So do you think Starmer should follow a "FoM isn't coming back" line... or not? And if not, how does he prevent Johnson or his successor successfully making hay with a "Labour want to overturn the referendum" line? I have my own views and ideas here... but I'm interested in what those who have been pushing against Starmer on, well, everything, think.
So do you think Starmer should follow a “FoM isn’t coming back” line… or not? And if not, how does he prevent Johnson or his successor successfully making hay with a “Labour want to overturn the referendum” line? I have my own views and ideas here… but I’m interested in what those who have been pushing against Starmer on, well, everything, think.
Simply leave it alone for the time being! - and push really hard on the cost of living, what Labour could do - big push against the government's shambles in this regard. Strong attitude towards fixing this countries mess that is not the mess of migrants but xx years of Tory governments. There's absolutely no end of things to go at.
To present it now - make absolutely no sense.
When the Tories don't want to discuss something they just change the subject.
It isn't hard.
We are just seeing time and time again Starmer trying to ape the Tories. It's pathetic, and not fruitful - go strong on what is good for the country and stop being so bloody weak.
And if not, how does he prevent Johnson or his successor successfully making hay with a “Labour want to overturn the referendum” line? I
Well Labour will never stop the Tories saying ANYTHING.
There's always going to be the question of what the Tories might say no matter what Labour do. Tories will just say - don't trust Labour on immigration. So it's largely irrelevant.
Change the narrative to your own agenda.
It's simply because Starmer and Labour don't have big ideas that they are taking this weak path.
He seems to be in need of an IT/photoshop specialist. Blimey, he'd only have to ask on here. His Wakefield 'crowds' have been hilarious.
Simply leave it alone for the time being!
So, avoid a clear policy/position in this area 'till closer to an election? Concentrate on the failings of the government right now? Especially as regards the cost of living, falling living standards, and failure on delivering essential public services?
So, avoid a clear policy/position in this area ’till closer to an election? Concentrate on the failings of the government right now? Especially as regards the cost of living, falling living standards, and failure on delivering essential public services?
An emphatic yes. And more look at the state of everything the Tories have done. Everything they touch is a mess. Everything. This is what we can put right.
We can fix ...
I don't understand the relevance of bringing it up now at all. It's kind of like fixing the fridge when the roof has caved in.
There are difficult times ahead that will be at the top of the shopping list that the Tories need to own.
It's an easy target.
The Brexit thinking is born out of some really deprived areas. Fix these first.
"I'm going to fix the UK first. That's the priority." That sort of thing if you want a slightly nationalistic approach that doesn't totally exclude future EU manoeuvres
I agree completely.
Many people would be happy with rejoining the the single market to get rid of import/export restrictions and fix the NI protocol rows. But Starmer has reminded them that they can't have that without freedom of movement, so that's killed it.
Only 52% of the voting electorate thought Brexit was a good idea. Some of them now regret that, and there won't be many remainers who think Brexit has worked well. There's probably a majority against Brexit now, and a bigger majority for the single market (effectively economic union without political union). If Labour won't support fixing the basket case that Brexit has led us to, they're no use to me.
If Labour won’t support fixing the basket case that Brexit has led us to, they’re no use to me.
You and lots of other voters.
But people do need to understand the damage that was being done precedes Brexit. Recent times - austerity was one of the big crunchers.
Go for the damage that caused first. It's really hard for the Tories to wriggle out of that. Decades of damage by contracting the economy,concentrating wealth and decimating the state. Taking more money out of people's pockets and destroying their services that led us to the pre-Brexit path.
Being in or out of the EU is secondary to a healthy, well-functioning UK. But I'd avoid the discussion as there are other priorities.
EU/FOM debate can come later when it's palatable.
Starmer is saying it now because he was a prominent Labour remain figure & The Tories have been using it against him, its been on Tory flyers in Wakefield
Lynton Crosby is back in No 10 and shifting the debate to immigaration, somnething he has weaponised to great success in UK and Australian election campaigns, its a culture war issue that works perfectly on many
Starmer is saying it now because he was a prominent Labour remain figure & The Tories have been using it against him, its been on Tory flyers in Wakefield
Again just deflect to the mess of the Tories. "We're out of the E.U - look at the mess we're in. I need to fix the mess the Tories have created. Here's how we can fix the UK first."
Tories will use anything won't they. They're controlling the narrative.
And lets face it the Telegraph will just say anything despite what the truth is.
Pandering to the enemy.
Lynton Crosby is back in No 10 and shifting the debate to immigaration, somnething he has weaponised to great success in UK and Australian election campaigns, its a culture war issue that works perfectly on many
Maybe, but the cost of living is the real deal now; and Scott Morrison is no longer running the show.
Maybe, but the cost of living is the real deal now.
I agree but theres mileage in blaming immigrants for that too
Starmer talking about immigration only highlights how naive, weak and incompetent he is. By any measure the tories are on much firmer ground on immigration than labour. They can send a clear and firm message to voters without having to dance the line that labour do. Just as with brexit labour will tie themselves in knots and end up pissing off everyone. So why the hell is Starmer even talking about it when there's much more important stuff that people are worried about? The answer to that is that he doesn't have any policies on the more important stuff so has nothing to say. Johnson's running rings round labour at the moment, which is pretty astonishing given he had a vote of no confidence in him a couple of weeks ago.
I agree but theres mileage in blaming immigrants for that too
Yes - so economy was rubbished when Austerity (Tories) took hold and now the economy (post-EU) is properly trashed. (Tories)
The Tories are in charge of all of this. The Tories always mess up the economy. It's that simple.
I know the immigration thing sticks. Friends around me are full blood red wall. But you've got to keep pinning the blame on the Tories style of economics. Because that's reality.
You know LBC will keep giving Starmer things for their audience to be outraged at. It's that mentality.
Decades of damage by contracting the economy,concentrating wealth and decimating the state. Taking more money out of people’s pockets and destroying their services that led us to the pre-Brexit path.
Agreed. The real con trick was convincing people that was the EU's fault.
The thing that worries me is that the Brexit mess is about to get worse unless Boris is stopped. The single market is the only real fix for Northern Ireland, anything else is short term fudge. Unless we can convince the EU that there's the prospect of a sensible outcome, even if not immediately, we'll have a trade war with the EU; the damage to the Horizon science programme is already serious.
Kier Starrmer telling his MPs not to join picket lines. He no doubt thinks he's being very clever in avoiding a tory 'trap'. Instead all it does is demonstrate to voters that his words are empty and he's not prepared to actually do any opposing. It'll feed into the narrative that he's pointless and useless, and further piss off anyone on left of centre who will call him Scab Starmer. Christ, even binners supports the rail workers, that's how much Starmer has misread the room.
Its an odd display of "leadership" to not do anything.
I am sure binners will switch soon now the glorious leader has spoken and start condemning those nasty rail workers. It just needs pointing out to him they are probably left wing.
If Labour won’t support fixing the basket case that Brexit has led us to, they’re no use to me.
Agreed, this lead me to vote for the greens in the last GE. Labour are quite safe in Leicester city, but I made my point to the Labour canvasser who knocked on my door asking for my continued support.