Balls?
Challenge?
What on earth are you blathering on about?
Why do you even care whether I post on a thread or not? What conceivable difference does it make to anyone?
You're off your ****ing napper
So; you could actually make some positive difference in society, but your need for attention means you'll just continue to spout shite instead. Because that's obviously more important to you. At least we have now firmly established that.
Rod Liddle; little bit of vomit comes out as he rants...
Ooh look! It's learned to post gifs now! Isn't it clever? Bless.
No but seriously. £25. Per week.
Rod Liddle; bit of mayonnaise on his vest...
I can't comprehend why you even care?
You know that I'm not real, right? I'm a leftie-baiting bot in a server farm in Murmansk? And that arguing on an interweb forum is effectively shouting into a shipping container?
£25. Per week.
Rod Liddle; burps Chow Mein all over himself...
I'd miss you too much. Admit it, you'd miss me too, wouldn't you hun? X
£25. Per Week.
Rod Liddle; red wine and mustard stains on his shirt...
It was actually the fact that he was absolutely ****ing hopeless and lost two consecutive elections that led to his demise
Okay so your guy appears to be doing worse, and yet doesn't have Brexit, nor the tirade of character assassinations. Neither does he have Tom Watson, Austin or Mann to deal with.
But he has your support. So let's talk about his work shall we?
How do you think Starmer is doing?
I wouldn't expect any form of coherent answer, Rone. That would be a major break from tradition...
How do you think Starmer is doing?
I think he's doing absolutely terribly, to be honest.
Along with pretty much everyone else, I'm absolutely mystified as to why he's being so consistently timid and refusing to engage with the Torys, when he's had countless opportunities that have just gone begging
With Corbyn, when faced with an open net he'd always spoon it into Row Z, With Starmer he won't even shoot. God only knows why.
The silence from the labour front bench when faced with the rolling car crash of the last 12 months is absolutely inexplicable and unforgivable.
I've all but given up hope of ever seeing a labour government, and that is unbelievably depressing
Can't see the point in the rant then😄
A nice little recap of why and how we can pay more wages to the NHS workers or any function of the state.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1418484237246865411?s=19
Thread it out.
My favourite pick.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1418484251704635392?s=19
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1418484262173609985?s=19
With Corbyn, when faced with an open net he’d always spoon it into Row Z, With Starmer he won’t even shoot. God only knows why
Corbyn was always stuck in a zero sum game. Starmer doesn't really have that.
Fair comments.
I think it's important to see this once more:
I’m just hoping the rumours are true (IIRC it was in the Guardian) that the first thing Kier Starmer is going to do is have a night of the long knives to clear out every last one of the utterly useless Corbynites, both on the front bench and behind the scenes, and actually appoint some people who are capable of finding their own arses using both hands.
I’m also hoping that involves firing Richard Burgon into the sun.
There needs to be a Kinnock/Militant style purge to even think dragging the labour party back from its Corbynite political irrelevence, where its presently languishing in its own delusional ‘we won the argument’ bullshit
Then, finally, when pushed on how that's actually working out:
I think he’s doing absolutely terribly, to be honest.
😀 Lol! You don't need any A-Levels to work that out! It must sting, that. Try a bit of Germolene.
Good to see Dawn Butler sticking to her principles, and refusing to retract her comments about Boris being a liar. If only Armrest had such courage...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57927398
Dawn Butler was just on LBC and she just said we are in a system that defends the liars, as we move to a Trumpian stage.
She said she was sick of the amount of lies.
I like this basic passion in an MP.
The fact that Dawn Butler is punished for stating the obvious, while Johnson continues to spout lie after lie with total impunity just demonstrates how ****ed our political system is
It stands as a metaphor for the UK in 2021
The fact that Dawn Butler is punished for stating the obvious, while Johnson continues to spout lie after lie with total impunity just demonstrates how ****ed our political system is
It stands as a metaphor for the UK in 2021
Dawn Butler could have said the same thing in different words and not been punished. She did it for the activists, I imagine they loved it. No representation in parliament for her constituency for a few days
Metaphor for labour in 2021
Why not put your money where your mouth is, and do something useful, instead of spouting ignorant deluded shite on here every. single. day?
The ironing.....
Rod Liddle; red wine and mustard stains on his shirt…
Is this some form of code? Is it a 50 cent army thing, do you have a man crush?
No representation in parliament for her constituency for a few days
It's Summer recess, is it not? So timed to that I'd imagine.
It’s Summer recess, is it not? So timed to that I’d imagine.
Good point, at least the timing is smart. Is she on manoeuvres for the leadership?
Is she on manoeuvres for the leadership?
On the basis that she can probably walk and chew at the same time? Probably should be
doesn’t have Brexit, nor the tirade of character assassinations
Well, he does. No excuses though, he's still doing even worse than I feared he would.
Is she on manoeuvres for the leadership?
Presumably she'll stand to be deputy leader again, if the current deputy stands to be leader. I'm not looking for any cynical motivations for what she did yesterday though. More should call Johnson out on the parliamentary record, as he keeps lying to parliament and not facing any consequences to do so. Her LBC interview was spot on as regards pointing out why truth still matters, and why acting as if it no longer does is so dangerous. Worth a listen.
The ironing…..
Coming from someone who keeps trolling with accusations of people using 'tropes' (and even admits it's all made up). Are you an Alanis Morisette fan? xD
do you have a man crush?
Veiled attempt at some sort of homophobic slur? An explanation would be good.
I’m not looking for any cynical motivations for what she did yesterday though
Nope me neither, just looked like it was borne of frustration.
Dawn Butler could have said the same thing in different words and not been punished. She did it for the activists, I imagine they loved it. No representation in parliament for her constituency for a few days
The Deputy Speaker then ordered Ms Butler to withdraw from the Commons for the rest of the day's sitting.
Don't let facts spoil your rhetoric, eh?
Challenging the archaic and outdated 'rules' of Parliament takes courage. Shame Armrest hasn't got any.
More should call Johnson out on the parliamentary record, as he keeps lying to parliament and not facing any consequences to do so.
There could be a tactic for Starmer here, a bit sixth form politics but could get traction. Simply put a MP up every day to call out a lie. Bound to get on the news and the lie gets discussed.
Juvenile but maybe where he needs to go
An explanation would be good.
you are the one who keeps mentioning Rod Liddell and what he is wearing or eating and drinking, as for a slur I've no idea what gender you are and in the context of this place half of STW have a man crush on Cav which I'm sure doesn't involve anything sexual.
If it's not that, is it a secret code or 50 cent army thing?
If it’s not that, is it a secret code or 50 cent army thing?
You don't need to worry yourself about that.
as for a slur I’ve no idea what gender you are
Or sexuality, or indeed anything else. So why not refrain from ad hominems? You could just as easily have said 'are you a fan of Rod Liddle's? Instead, you used the term 'man crush'. Why?
What could have been really powerful, would have been if all the other Labour MPs present got up and walked out too, in solidarity with their colleague. Whilst chanting 'Liar!' at Boris. That would have been very powerful. But, alas, Butler is on the 'wrong' side....
No excuses though, he’s still doing even worse than I feared he would.
Yes, we can all see he is doing dreadfully. I thought it was worth a try when he became leader as a bit of a change, potential different approach but it became clear after a few months that he was not good and never will be. That is the issue here, everyone know he is not doing well at the job (probably including himself) but he continues anyway until when, another few years?
The lack of anyone obvious who would be great is not really relevant, they should at least be given a chance at doing a better job than him.
So why not refrain from ad hominems?
More ironing....
More ironing….
Ok Balders. XD
Have a nice weekend.
Dawn Butler could have said the same thing in different words and not been punished. She did it for the activists, I imagine they loved it. No representation in parliament for her constituency for a few days
Metaphor for labour in 2021
yet she managed to get more column inches in one act than Starmer has managed in 6 months.
The loony left are at it again with their crazy nationalisation schemes. Oh wait...
Anyone believe Starmer would have had the balls to do something like this? Me neither.
If they were any good with the spyware he could have argued for nationalisation before the deal went public. Alternatively, he could argue for the privatisation of the Royal Yacht. Nope, thought not.
The loony left are at it again with their crazy nationalisation schemes.
The Guardian article leaves out an important detail :
"The MOD has already started working closely with the company to implement best practice governance that will ensure appropriate financial oversight to secure the company’s future success, with the aim eventually to return the business to the private sector."
That paragraph is from the government's website:
So the British people will pay to buy the company, pump £400million investment into it, and then at some point, presumably when it is making a nice healthy profit, it will be privatised again.
A strategy which appears to be enthusiastically supported by Starmer's shadow business secretary Ed Miliband.
So the British people will pay to buy the company, pump £400million investment into it, and then at some point, presumably when it is making a nice healthy profit, it will be privatised again.
It is very odd isn't it that the public/labour party seem to have accepted the government's role as the debt relief vehicle of dysfunctional businesses, but can't make the next logical leap of faith to support the continued ownership of those companies by the state. There's an (old) idea for labour here, which should be that any company or business which accepts government rescue money must be legally bound to limit executive pay and suspend shareholder dividends and pay a living wage etc. They won't though, because they don't have the media skills to present such a policy without being branded as communist nationalisers.
It is very odd isn’t it that the public/labour party seem to have accepted the government’s role as the debt relief vehicle of dysfunctional businesses, but can’t make the next logical leap of faith to support the continued ownership of those companies by the state.
I'd arms length it into a sovereign wealth fund. Civil Servants don't have a good record running businesses.
Obviously we would need to create a sovereign wealth fund....
Usefully would stop the sale of other stuff to American PE funds
Open goal for Starmer based on the pharma pricing fines rolling through at the moment
Open goal for Starmer
Not his strong point, he seems to be facing the wrong way most of the time.
So the British people will pay to buy the company, pump £400million investment into it, and then at some point, presumably when it is making a nice healthy profit, it will be privatised again.
Well, it's the Tories having to put right at greater expenses a restructure that was cancelled by Cameron as part of austerity. I genuinely doubt it makes "a healthy profit" but does have genuine strategic importance to country; it makes top secret bits for submarines, I'd imagine that probably reduces Forgemaster's ability to raise capital from foreign investors. This way 600 people get to keep their jobs (presumably you're happy about that) we still retain the capability to make the pressure vessel bits for subs (that's an arguable point admittedly) but it wants to grow into making large scale windfarms for the Dogger bank, so at least the investment made now will reap benefits in the longer term for out carbon emissions
Post-war nationalisations were not aimed at delivering some sort of socialised economy but rather to subsidise and support the regeneration of private businesses. Nothing new here. The labour theory of value applies in the same way to nationalised as in private businesses but I suppose it's preferable for surplus value to accrue to, ultimately, the taxpayer rather than the shareholder. The idea that nationalised industries are run by civil servants is straight out of the DM, as if private 'enterprise' provides the superior supply of pharmaceuticals or public transport, ludicrous and laughable.
Civil Servants don’t have a good record running businesses.
So you are assuming that since the private sector has failed to ran SFIL as a successful business nationalisation will be an even greater failure, and it will never again make a profit?
Why did the private sector buy a failing business from the government in the first place?
According to the government website :
The MOD also intends to invest up to £400 million for defence critical plant, equipment and infrastructure into SFIL over the next 10 years to support defence outputs. The acquisition has been assessed as the best value for money for the tax payer due to the unique capabilities and circumstances.
So it would appear that the present Tory government, of all people, has a reasonable degree of confidence in the business abilities of civil servants. Especially if they visualise SFIL eventually being profitably enough to be returned to the private sector.
Btw since Tory sympathisers have effectively been purged from stw political threads but some LibDem supporters remain, it's worth noting that when Vince Cable was the coalition government's business secretary he reversed the previous Labour government's decision to provide Sheffield Forgemasters with a £80m loan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11545188
What made the LibDem business secretary's decision particularly interesting of course was that the LibDem leader, Nick Clegg, represented Sheffield in parliament.
The LibDems did partially backtrack a year later when they decided to provide SFIL with less than half the original loan.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/31/sheffield-forgemasters-nick-clegg-jobs.
The LibDems contempt for the people who voted for them did have consequences however and in 2017 Nick Clegg lost his seat to a Corbyn led Labour Party.
The idea that nationalised industries are run by civil servants is straight out of the DM
That was one of the arguments used by the Tories against the creation of the NHS, ie doctors would become "civil servants".
since Tory sympathisers have effectively been purged from stw political threads
Who has the power to purge people? Or do you mean people ask awkward questions?
Yeah I mean there used to be Tory sympathisers on stw political threads but there isn't any more. I'll let you figure out how that came about.
Hasn't everyone to the right of Dennis Skinner given up on the political threads now?
Blairite/centrist/Tory bastards!
Now its just a Corbynite circle-jerk. The sense of pious, righteous, permanently-affronted sanctimony is now so large its developed its own gravitational pull
