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Maybe London Jewish members are different, or, much more likely, left-wing Jewish members are different.
The only Jewish Labour Party members I've talked to or heard talking in meetings have been strong Corbyn supporters.
But then I rarely go to meetings where right-wingers are likely to speak so I am perfectly willing to accept that right-wing Jews might have different opinions.
I don't subscribe to the view that all people of a certain race think and act in the same way. I judge people on the basis of them being individual human beings, not on the basis of their race.
Except I’m not blaming the Jews though, am I?
Yes you are, you specifically said that the reason Bury went Tory last election was because of a large Jewish community.
I assume that as a Labour Party member you voted Labour so did not agree with the (alleged) conclusion of the Jewish community.
You are blaming them. People have been expelled from the Labour Party for less than that. Claiming "I wasn't being racist" isn't good enough. You blamed Jews for voting incorrectly.
The only Jewish Labour Party members I’ve talked to or heard talking in meetings have been strong Corbyn supporters.
Well maybe have a walk around Prestwich - one of the biggest Jewish communities in Europe - and ask people what they think of Jeremy Corbyn
You don’t really need too. The last election in this previously safe Labour seat compared to today’s polling tells you everything you need to know
Like most people in London, of all political persuasions, it might be worth acknowledging that other parts of the country actually exist
You voted Labour didn't you?
Did you vote Labour because you aren't Jewish?
That sounds very racist.
Yes you are, you specifically said that the reason Bury went Tory last election was because of a large Jewish community
They expressed their opinion at the ballot box. Specifically about the culture in the Labour Party under grandad
You or I can say what we like. It’s their opinion that matters. Ours is frankly irrelevant. We don’t get to judge as we aren’t on the receiving end
Carry on defending Corbyn if you like. You’re a fully paid up member of the cult, after all
Maybe come up to Whitefield and try it there? Can I watch?
You voted Labour didn’t you?
Did you vote Labour because you aren’t Jewish?
That sounds very racist.
Racist? Say what now?
I can’t even comprehend what that nonsensical gibberish is even meant to mean, comrade
I take it that it’s an insult, but I’m just guessing.
Who knows?
Carry on defending Corbyn if you like.
I have done no such thing. Are you hallucinating?
I am challenging your claim that all Jews share the same political opinion.
And I have questioned whether you voted Labour last election because you aren't Jewish.
I am challenging your claim that all Jews have the same political opinion
I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest the vast majority share the same opinion of Jeremy Corbyn and his associates. Certainly in this part of the world. The election result and recent polling would support that
And I have questioned whether you voted Labour last election because you aren’t Jewish
Eh? What on earth are you on about? Do I also have to vote Labour as I’m not Nigerian?
I voted Labour because I’m a Labour Party member and support the party even though at the last two elections I thought the ‘leader’ and all those around him, and all his disciples are… erm… shall we say “less than perfect”
We all know what the option is. We’re living it
Except I’m not blaming the Jews though, am I?
Yes you are, you specifically said that the reason Bury went Tory last election was because of a large Jewish community.
You voted Labour didn’t you?
Did you vote Labour because you aren’t Jewish?
That sounds very racist.
I'll be honest, I'm no fan of the way binners bangs on on this thread and the circular arguments it creates, but jeez Ernie, those two comments are utter bollocks to the point of trolling.
Ideology is not really for most people, from whichever direction
Lmfao.
If houses prices took a crunch let's see what the asset class thought about ideology.
It's just that most people ignore the poor and the associated problems of society unless it affects them directly.
I had no idea you were being serious when it is so clearly the right-wing that is hellbent on treating Labour Party members as the enemy, instead of focusing on the Tories.
As i said in my clarification - I did not mean the left of the labour party - I meant the whole of the left in UK politics - ie including the right wing of the labour party. Yes its the right of labour driving the useless and counter productive infighting now but as long as I have followed politics the infighting in the labour party and amongst the left of Uk politics has hampered the labour party.
Why the labour party is so hamstrung by infighting I do not understand but its been like that all my life. At times its been the right of the party as the aggressors, At times the left. Sometimes its even been sectarian in Scotland
Scottish labour is pretty much dead because of this as they allied themselves with the tories rather than making common ground with the SNP to fight the tories
Is that what you call Ramsbottom when you’re trying to sound more ‘salt of the earth’? Even when you’re not posting here any more.
He doesn't even live in the same constituency!
It's also worth remembering that the former MP - Ivan Lewis - was suspended from Labour over sexual misconduct allegations. He subsequently resigned and ran as an independent, splitting the Labour vote and even encouraging people to vote Tory.
But yeah, it's all Corbyn's fault of course.
Bury South has always been Labour
No it hasn’t, it was Tory from 83-97. Anyway aside from the obviously ridiculous spectacle of labour welcoming a right wing Tory c into it’s ranks, which bizarrely you lot think is great, Starmer’s politically naive ‘coup’ has done an amazing job of rallying Tory MPs behind the leader they were about to depose. Totally f*** clueless!
I have questioned whether you voted Labour last election because you aren’t Jewish.
sorry, I'm still meditating on this gem of a koan...
I just about get used now to the antikeirs mainly say the opposite of what they mean, and then it's an effortless jink, jink round a couple of corners and I'm lost again. Anyway, what was it about Corbyn?
Starmer’s politically naive ‘coup’ has done an amazing job of rallying Tory MPs behind the leader they were about to depose. Totally f****** clueless!
It was not Starmers coup although he could have told him to eff off
IMo this is good for labour - the longer the lying incompetent drunkard stays as leder the more damage he does to the tories d the better labours chances are at the next election
Anyway aside from the obviously ridiculous spectacle of labour welcoming a right wing Tory c*** into it’s ranks, which bizarrely you lot think is great,
...and then a fully non-ironic statement. No wonder I'm confused 🙂
I think most people posting on this thread have mixed feelings, with "hold your nose" being the consensus given he'll have voted as whipped.
Replies to the tweet you posted a page or so ago about this shoring up support for Johnson were of the view that his staying (longer) would be good for labour. fwiw. Though personally i think he should never have had anything to do with government and the sooner he's gone the better.
Ernie, those two comments are utter bollocks to the point of trolling.
That's your prerogative MDTD, you are entitled to think what you want, so am I.
Binners fully and enthusiastically supports the anti-Semitism witch-hunt in the Labour Party and yet he himself makes a wild and false suggestion that all Jews share the same political views and vote accordingly.
I have no doubt that there are right-wing Jews who were strongly opposed to Corbyn, especially his views on Palestine. But I also know that there are left-wing Jews who very strongly supported Corbyn.
I reject the very old and tired racist nonsense that all Jews are communists, all Jews are capitalists, all Jews are Zionists, all Jews are right/left-wing, etc etc.
There are Jews in the Labour Party and there are Jews in the Tory Party.
Binners cannot suggest that all Jews are anti-Corbyn, as he has very clearly done. People have been expelled from the Labour Party for less than that. Would it be acceptable for a Corbyn supporter to make that claim? Of course not.
Furthermore binners suggests that Jews in Bury were correct for not voting Labour, you can only assume that if he was Jewish he would not have voted Labour.
I'm not sure what message the attacks on Wakeford send to Tory voters they want to win back.
If Labour can't attract a broad range of voters (and MPs) , they will remain in opposition forever
Except I’m not blaming the Jews though, am I?
Yes you are, you specifically said that the reason Bury went Tory last election was because of a large Jewish community.
It's not really blame, it's an attempt to understand what happened. It's a completely different thing to 'blaming the Jews' as an antisemitic historical phenomenon. You should know that.
Binners cannot suggest that all Jews are anti-Corbyn, as he has very clearly done.
koans thick and fast!
I’m not sure what message the attacks on Wakeford send to Tory voters they want to win back.
Oh I dont know that maybe labour isnt a hard right party? I mean why bother voting for a shallow imitation?
I am not sure what message confusing an politician with "Tory voters" in general is meant to achieve either?
Aside from buying into the normal hard right press line of confusing categories together?
He could have rebelled easily enough. After all the only punishments available to the whips are to withdraw support for the next election, no government job or the ultimate option of pulling the whip. None of which should really concern someone already thinking of switching parties.
So sorry but the poor him approach doesnt really work.
the attacks on Wakeford are just "noises off" and will not reach those ex tory / potential labour voters. the folk who might switch labour / tory are not the sort of folk who are interested in politics or think deeply about it or they would not be tempted to switch
He could have rebelled easily enough. After all the only punishments available to the whips are to withdraw support for the next election, no government job or the ultimate option of pulling the whip. None of which should really concern someone already thinking of switching parties.
true and well put
It was not Starmers coup although he could have told him to eff off
Yeah, whilst I enjoyed the spectacle, on reflection I think he should've done. It's not exactly a victory for democracy, given that he will now be voting in Parliament on a entirely different basis to the one upon which he was elected.
It’s not really blame, it’s an attempt to understand what happened.
Starmer would not tolerate a Corbyn supporter claiming "we lost Bury because of the Jewish vote", they would undoubtedly be expelled from the Labour Party for that.
Binners attempt to lump all Jews as anti-Corbyn is false.
attempt to lump all Jews as anti-Corbyn is false.
He says "vast majority" not "all", so depends what you mean by "vast". Polling suggests 93%
I've not looked into the figures under this story, but I'd say it's evidence in favour of "vast"?
Not sure what post you are reading Ernie, because you seem to be missing binners point quite spectacularly!
Either that, or you are trying to put words in somebodies mouth to make your own point instead of debating theirs.
He said the vast majority of Jewish voters he has spoken to <b>from that constituency,</b> not all Jews. Unless you read something I missed?!?!?!
Don't worry... I lost track of what it is I'm actually being accused of quite some time ago. Not actually living in Bury? Being racist? Being worse than Hitler? All the above? Who knows?
This thread has always been something of an alternative dimension, but in the last 24 hours, even by its usual unhinged standards, its gone completely hatstand
Mostly accused of being a hypocrite. You enthusiastically support witch hunts against Corbyn supporters for alleged anti-Semitism, whilst making generalisations of how Jews vote.
"Welcome to the modern Labour party—more concerned about stopping the deportation of foreign criminals than keeping our streets safe. We on the Government Benches do take that obligation and duty seriously; that is why we are taking these measures. I thank my hon. Friend for all the work that he is doing to deport these foreign serious criminals and make our country safer. Can he confirm that this Government are removing foreign criminals from the UK every week and that this flight is no different?"
- Labour's newest MP, Christian Wakeford
Has Starmer unified the Tories by allowing Wakeford in?
Seems to me they're pulling together again.
Starmer saves Boris!
Not how it works rone - they may have circled the wagons for now but that will not save Johnson ( stop calling him Boris FFS - its a piece of PR guff intended to make him seem likable) But actually the longer Johnson is there the longer and more nasty the infighting becomes and the worse it is long term for the tory party
Its not what anyone intended but if it happens its good. What the UK needs is for the tory party to tear itself apart over this not to escape undamaged.
Take a look at LucyBurkeMcr 's twitter account today, she stood as Labour candidate and nearly got in, was only thwarted by Ivan Lewis standing against her. I hope she is selected again because she'd be great for our constituency, Wakefords voting record is toxic.
I suppose its helpful for Labour at the moment to have a scalp and I hope he goes on the record to dish every bit of dirt on the tories that he has, but his record can't be waved away because he voted against free school meals, for NI rises and against the UnivCredit increase, against cleaning up rivers, fundamental opposed to stuff labour will campaign on in the next GE.
What the UK needs is for the tory party to tear itself apart over this not to escape undamaged.
The problem with this is that you never know what you're going to get, ie, the Tory party indulges in 40 year civil war, tearing itself apart over Europe only for the fallout to end up destroying the Labour Party and giving the Tories an 80 seat majority.
Given the mood of the country I don't think it's too hard to imagine that this could end up strengthening the right wing/socially conservative elements of politics before it hands power to anything remotely leftwing/progressive.
As depressing as it sounds............
stop calling him Boris FFS – its a piece of PR guff intended to make him seem likable
I took it as the pisstake suggestion of a catchy new slogan, rather a term of endearment......"Starmer saves Boris!"
Not how it works rone – they may have circled the wagons for now but that will not save Johnson ( stop calling him Boris FFS – its a piece of PR guff intended to make him seem likable) But actually the longer Johnson is there the longer and more nasty the infighting becomes and the worse it is long term for the tory party
Its not what anyone intended but if it happens its good. What the UK needs is for the tory party to
Let's how it unfolds shall we? I'm thinking it would have been more impressive for everyone involved to not let Wakeford in - (what shall I call him?) - Starmer to slam the door shut would've gotten respect on all sides.
As for 'Starmer saves Boris' - yeah feel the context would you?
Take a look at LucyBurkeMcr ‘s twitter account today, she stood as Labour candidate and nearly got in, was only thwarted by Ivan Lewis standing against her. I hope she is selected again because she’d be great for our constituency, Wakefords voting record is toxic.
Agreed. Given Labour's poor performance overall in 2019, the fact that she got so close despite the toxic Lewis splitting the vote would strongly suggest Labour retaining the seat next time, so why not select someone who isn't trying to save their own skin?
I hope he goes on the record to dish every bit of dirt on the tories that he has
didn't have to wait very long then ! turns out the Radcliffe high school build was the threat, properly dirty work by the whips that.
(this school has been planned for more than the last year, the old one shut in 2014 and the process to open a new one was started as soon as by labour councillors with assistance from gropey Ivan ironically, it's not Wakeford's project although I have a v.small degree of sympathy if he was trying to protect the school which Radcliffe badly needs)
Seems to me they’re pulling together again.
I still don’t think Starmer has what it take to win an election … but if Johnson can win back support from his MPs, but fails to win back support from the public … that has to give Labour their best shot at winning the next General Election, even with Mr insipid and directionless at the helm.
No comment.
Not even about her teeth? They are some very good teeth indeed (photoshopped?). Let's hope they help with the countries learning, innovating etc,.
I live in Bury. I have lots of Jewish friends
Neither of these things are true are they 😂
Ramsbottom is in the county of Bury it's not Bury the town, and it's in a different constituency. Big Jewish community in Ramsbottom is there? How many Jewish friends binners? I would say 'lots' implies what, at least 5-10? More?
Ramsbottom is in the county of Bury it’s not Bury the town,
Bury isn't a county, it has a MBC which Ramsbottom is part of
and it’s in a different constituency.
Yes, Bury North as opposed to Bury South
Big Jewish community in Ramsbottom is there?
Quite a few I imagine, the main park in the town is quite popular with members of the orthodox community who you see playing with their kids there on a Sunday
How many Jewish friends binners? I would say ‘lots’ implies what, at least 5-10? More?
How many friends does Binners have in total? Tens, hundreds, thousands? Do MNPR members court?
Not even about her teeth? They are some very good teeth indeed (photoshopped?)
Lol.
Get learning the lot of you.
Bury isn’t a county, it has a MBC which Ramsbottom is part of
Either way there's a town called Bury and a town called Ramsbottom and they are separate, different and several miles apart and binners lives in one not the other.
Funnily enough I really do have a Jewish friend who lives in Ramsbottom who isn't made up, so there's all the evidence you need. I wonder if she's one of the countless Jewish friends binners has there.
That you're making stuff up, as usual (despite not even posting here any more).
I actually found the stats, there are 50 Jewish people in Ramsbottom.
https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/northwestengland/greater_manchester/E35000015__ramsbottom/
Binners must be friends with almost all of them.
Oh... because it definitely says Bury on my address. But then again my postcode is a Bolton one
It's a geographical minefield. No wonder I'm so confused.
Thanks for clearing up where I live for me though, comrade
This is hilarious you can't even be consistent in where you claim to live. Where was the infamous pub where you stood up to the racists binners?
My address says Carnforth and my postcode is Lancashire but I live in S Cumbria. I don't tend to pretend I live in different places to suit different arguments though.
I know that this is going to come as a shock to you but with modern transport its actually possible to have friends in postcodes outside your own, further than walking distance
I don't know whats the most Tragic? Ernie trawling through years worth of my bullshit posts, or you googling local populations?
I think its probably worth both of you having a long, hard look at your lives
No don't worry I'm sure sometimes we all pretend to live in totally different towns at different times in order to try and score some internet points.
And yes I will now have a good hard look at my life, thanks for the heads up. 😘
Ernie trawling through years worth of my bullshit posts
Told you before mate, no trawling necessary.....click on about the first 3 pages of the Jeremy Corbyn thread and within seconds your posts, completely contradicting everything you are saying today, are instantly revealed.
It couldn't be easier. Here's a quick example that took me about 30 seconds to find :
The mess the labour party is in is all down to Blair. Another thing we’ve got to thank him for. Due to his messiah complex, and his intolerence of free-thinking or disent, he hollowed out the party from the inside.
Of course no one needs to go that far back to find examples of you completely contradicting yourself, about a week ago you were slagging off Starmer for not apparently not being working-class enough and unable to effectively challenge Johnson.
This week you have completely changed your opinion and he's apparently doing a great job.
It's actually more of effort to find what you were posting a couple of weeks ago than it is going to the start of the Jeremy Corbyn thread.
The problem for you binners is that I enjoy your posts so much that even years later I can still recall comments that you have made.
Make your posts boring, like many on here, and they will barely register with me. But I don't believe you are capable of that.....all that passion and anger needs to be expressed! 🙂
It’s a geographical minefield.
Just refer to <<<<< all this >>>>> as “The North”, it makes it easier for them.
This week you have completely changed your opinion and he’s apparently doing a great job.
My god! Modifying your opinion of a politician after “events” and the passing of time (and movement in the polls)? Stone him!
My opinion hasn’t changed, Starmer is just not tripping over his own shoelaces as the Conservatives (and Vote Leave team) eat each over. Actually, perhaps that’s doing him a disservice… there are other politicians who would struggle even with so much help being given by the Tories and their hangers on.
LOL Is that what it's called......."modifying your opinions"! 😊
The mess the labour party is in is all down to Blair. Another thing we’ve got to thank him for. Due to his messiah complex, and his intolerence of free-thinking or disent, he hollowed out the party from the inside.
I dunno, but I if that’s the old Binners, then I agree with him. What’s the new Binners said that contradicts that description of the state Labour were left in after Blair?
The "new binners" claims that Labour should emulate what Blair achieved, the "old binners" claimed that Blair screwed the Labour Party and everything was his fault. Today everything is Corbyn's fault. In a couple of years time everything will be Starmer's fault. HTH
You’re making things up. But it is true the leader of the party must shoulder a lot of the responsibility for how they leave the party when their time is up.
Either way there’s a town called Bury and a town called Ramsbottom and they are separate, different and several miles apart and binners lives in one not the other.
Postal addresses are Ramsbottom, Bury.....
I actually found the stats, there are 50 Jewish people in Ramsbottom.
https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/northwestengland/greater_manchester/E35000015__ramsbottom/
Binners must be friends with almost all of them.
Any website that estimates the population of Ramsbottom has gone down in the last 10 years is frankly a dubious source
Postal addresses are Ramsbottom, Bury
Yup already covered this. My postal address says Arnside, Carnforth, Lancashire despite me living in Cumbria - people would think I was a crazy person if I said I lived in Carnforth or Lancashire.
In the context of Manchester and politics it's like saying you live in Moss Side when actually you live in Chorlton-cum-Hardy
And believe it or not my use of population statistics wasn't entirely serious. 🙄
What’s the new Binners said that contradicts that description of the state Labour were left in after Blair?
That anyone who criticises Tony Blair about anything is some kind of deranged trot who just hates winning, or something. Perhaps he's including his former self in that description.
Postal addresses are Ramsbottom, Bury…..
As is Tottington and many other places. What's your point?
No don’t worry I’m sure sometimes we all pretend to live in totally different towns at different times in order to try and score some internet points.
It's easily done: I'm in Cheddar and Clifton simultaneously, after all they both have Bristol postcodes so they must be the same place.
Mind you, now we've learned that everywhere under Bury council is the same place, Binners should be worried. Just think what being associated with Radcliffe will do to his house price.
As a Welsh hill sheep farmer, I have to be very careful if I use the words "Bury" and "Ramsbottom" in the same sentance...
As you were chaps 😉
I think you should all campaign to have the parliamentary constituency names changed, how about “places near Bury, South” and “places near Bury, North”. This obviously matters to you so much. Start a petition or something.
As a Welsh hill sheep farmer, I have to be very careful if I use the words “Bury” and “Ramsbottom” in the same sentance…
I imagine the same goes for 'velcro" and "gloves"........
The STW postcode finder app is not ready for the masses.
If Sunak does go through with this 500 handout (not sure he will but...) to make up for the cost of living crisis - Labour are going to look dumb as **** again.
This is where lack of ideology is constantly catching them out. They have the strongest reason yet for supporting nationalising utilities and Starmer and co turn their backs on it.
Folk on the radio in tears about not being able to afford things is natural Labour territory. But the only-go-after-incompetence mob have nothing to offer because they don't have the capacity to reconcile what is going off in the big picture.
There is no way out of a crumbling market system than to make it work with investment from the government £££. The backer of last resort.
When things get this bad tinkering a la Vat (5%) offers nothing - it's just slowing the collapse.
This is where lack of ideology is constantly catching them out. They have the strongest reason yet for supporting nationalising utilities and Starmer and co turn their backs on it.
You're saying Starmer and co should see strong pragmatic reasons for supporting nationalising utilities?
Hand out cheques couldn't save trump
Partly because they don't fix the problems that caused the cost of living crisis.
When things get this bad tinkering a la Vat (5%) offers nothing – it’s just slowing the collapse.
And Labour's policy is more than just VAT cut (Peston had good analysis of lab v con plans and lab obe was far superior for helping lowest income households) was targeted support for lowest income houses with windfall tax on oil co.s, overall cost to government was £2bn
This is where lack of ideology is constantly catching them out. They have the strongest reason yet for supporting nationalising utilities and Starmer and co turn their backs on it.
Mrs Daz was freaking out yesterday when she got a quote for a fixed rate gas contract. £600 a month compared to the 200ish we pay now. That's more than our mortgage. Starmer's vat cut isn't even going to touch the sides. Neither is Sunak's handout. The energy market needs fundamental, radical reform or people are going to be out on the streets. It's a massive open goal for labour, and yet they're fiddling round the edges with stuff that will make no difference.
Labour have proposed two obvious things that this government can do NOW, rather than just go for "this is what we'd have done if we'd won in 2019". This gives the government two choices... broadly do what Labour have proposed, or don't. Labour can then either say "the government have taken our advice... why not cut out the middle man come the next election and put us in government"... or it can say, "the government are refusing to implement these simple and proportionate measures due to some weird dogma".
Fundamental radical reform is indeed needed. But showing up the current government as not even being prepared to patch over the cracks, as millions of voting households fall through the cracks, this year, right now... keeps the conversation about this government, not talking about possible ideal solutions that could be implemented over the next 15 years.
[ My own take? We need to pay more for gas, not less. So I don't want to see VAT dropped, but I do want a way for tax rates to vary based on the renewable properties of the energy used. But more expensive fossil fuel burning needs paring with a huge overhaul and rebalancing of income and wealth... something I wish Labour would have front and central in a proposed programme for future government... but proposing that from a position of being in opposition would result in an even bigger Tory majority at future elections, in England at least. ]
[ Also... Insulate Britain! ]
The energy market needs fundamental, radical reform or people are going to be out on the streets.
The wholesale price of gas is an international figure, the UK market suffers from the lack of storage but the price of gas is not just based on UK factors.
We need to pay more for gas, not less.
Yes, we do. But there's paying more and paying more. If political parties (all of them) don't tackle the crazy inflation in energy prices then there's going to be major trouble, and we'll see the likes of Farage et al using it to boost their populist nonsense.
Mrs Daz was freaking out yesterday when she got a quote for a fixed rate gas contract.
The standard capped variable rate will be the cheapest tariff.
But there’s paying more and paying more.
Yup, which is why short term patch up jobs (of the type Labour have proposed, they don't fix anything, they just get people though the next 18 months or so) are needed, to prevent genuine suffering in the short term. But the answer isn't to make gas cheaper long term... it's to make energy cheaper, and/or make sure people can afford the energy they need (unpopular changes to taxation, incomes and wealth that mean that no one is choosing to eat or heat).
Hand out cheques couldn’t save trump
Partly because they don’t fix the problems that caused the cost of living crisis.
Absolutely. But then there's no long term plan on offer from either party. That's the point.
Yes, we do. But there’s paying more and paying more
Definitely.
We are all suffering from the idea that one part of the market subsidises the other, but can't deal with this massive wholesale shift.
It simply doesn't work chasing the cheapest tariff constantly. It's actually an inefficient model in itself.
Capitalism always has its victims in creating this particular market.
But the answer isn’t to make Gas cheaper long term… it’s to make energy cheaper, and/or make sure people can afford the energy they need (unpopular changes to taxation, incomes and wealth that mean that no one is choosing to eat or heat).
The answer is to make gas progressively more expensive and electricity cheaper, which could be achieved by rebalancing levies, taxes and non-commodity costs. At the moment, both commodities are at record highs - we're sometimes seeing electricity 50p/kWh in the commercial sector for electricity, compared with 16p a year ago.
Absolutely. But then there’s no long term plan on offer from either party. That’s the point.
We are in the middle of a shift in energy sources both in the UK and internationally. We are going electric but have strong gas demand currently, rest if the world is dumping coal and going to gas and electric.
Market for gas is tight not helped by a significant proportion of the natural resources being in Russia.
It was always going to be difficult, we just didn't realize it or discuss it sufficiently.
As for long term plans they are there COP etc but we have a technology gap for replacement of gas for heating in UK housing stock. We have a building industry that is poorly regulated, attracts cowboys for large initiatives and can sometimes be counter productive such as all the issues with cavity wall insulation.