[Closed] Should Theresa May resign?

She won't make 2018.
A referendum on her brexit bill would be interesting as more people understand what WTO actually means. Not sticking 2 fingers up to the eu but pain and suffering as the tariffs will be paid for as an extra layer of vat by the UK consumers. Oh joy.

And BloJo has made public his support for Maybot, which means he now has the support of the 1922 committee for her replacement.

Which is utterly fabulous.

Stand back and watch it implode under them.

can't sack her and can't keep her, what are they going to do ? My guess is under orders from Rupert is to try and bluff it out for 2 years until the dirty deed of leaving the eu is done then she'll step down citing ill health or something to garner sympathy then the new boy/girl will either have to stretch it to another 3 years or go to the nation (if the economy isn't in the crapper by then)

Rusty Davies and May have been spot on in their approach.

he is looking quite rusty, isnt he

admitted on R4 this morning he pushed May for an early GE, and hes the tactical genius sorting out brexit........

May & Davis , not just spot on, theyre both playing a blinder !

They are the same deal as the US etc have

No deal better than bad deal is useless without a description of where your red lines are. Not a single word on this leaves people guessing.

igm - Member
They can't do another election - not enough time before the A50 cut off and Corbyn might well win.

polls have him at 6-7 pt lead (thats the reliable yougov one)

I got a full maintainence grant.

I haven't pulled up the drawbridge either and worked 25 years in fortunately well paid paye jobs. However that was in a time of largely 40% tax, once it went to 50 I left. If I had my time again I would not work in paye employment where you are a sitting duck. This is the fundamental difficulty with the study now pay later model, there is no certainty you'll get the money back.

so, you got your education fully paid for, and ****ing off when you arbitrarily decide you're paying too much tax, on the back of that education you received for free. isn't this pulling up the drawbridge? 😯

polls have him at 6-7 pt lead (thats the reliable yougov one)

He should offer DUP a counter-deal to bring down the government! 😆

I don't want him consorting with the political wing of a terrorist organisation. I mean just because the Tories do doesn't make it alright. 😉

WTO annecdote. So last weekend I was helping some Swiss friends get their boat setup for a UK regatta. Local sales agent was F-ing and blinding about Brexit. So I looked up WTO tariffs on yachts. 0.8% (typical range 0-2%). So a £100k new yacht would be a maximum of £800 more expensive due to tariffs. Remember VAT is £20k. Now currency moves are much more significant but they can go both ways of course

WTO tariffs are not "no deal". They are the same deal as the US etc have

for the many eh...

I think the general public might be more interested in the food tarrifs which seem to be between 5-12%...

edit:

seems to be more like 22%.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tariffs-idUKKBN17M1LM

and which will disproportionately impact the poor.

good eh.

edit edit:

if it was anyone else I'd say you were trolling.

so wait, luxury yachts will be cheaper,

but food more expensive under jambas preferred WTO option

why doesnt someone write this on a bus?

its a sure-fired election winner

so wait, luxury yachts will be cheaper,

but food more expensive under jambas preferred WTO option

why doesnt someone write this on a bus?

its a sure-fired election winner

could turn Kensington & Chelsea away from a hot bed of socialist ardor, oh yeah scratch that Roman Abromovich doesn't get a vote.

let them eat luxury yachts

why doesnt someone write this on a bus?

I'm genuinely concerned for Theresa May's physical and mental health, I just watched a retweet of her being interviewed on Sky from yesterday.

I'm reminded of that time when an extremely poorly Konstantin Chernenko was marched from his hospital bed to vote. Keeping May in No. 10 is inhumane...

...oh hang on, this is the Conservatives I'm talking about.

I wonder if the age of soundbite and smear is beginning to end? Politicians might have to do some real actual work in providing costed distinct policies now. I think the Tories should accept that and get on with it.

@molgrips, I think that you have made an excellent point. The established media have failed to bury Corbyn and Labour, because they have no presence in the voting demographic that has been mobilised by Labour's policies. An expensive, but clearly fruitful tactical decision by the Labour campaign.

[url= http://https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/09/tabloids-crush-corbyn-power-politics-sun-mail-labour?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other ]Here[/url]

And a slightly more prosaic view from The New Yorker:

[url= http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn ]Here.[/url]

cool -> "let them eat luxury yachts" <- cool

new J slogan

kimbers - Member
so wait, luxury yachts will be cheaper,

but food more expensive under jambas preferred WTO option

why doesnt someone write this on a bus?

its a sure-fired election winner

Can we afford buses under WTO tariffs then?

Klunk - Member
can't sack her

PJM1974 - Member
@molgrips, I think that you have made an excellent point. The established media have failed to bury Corbyn and Labour, because they have no presence in the voting demographic that has been mobilised by Labour's policies.

It's not just younger new voters either.
STW gets millions of individual hits per month.
As much as I find some of the content on the political threads distasteful, they give the right wing ideologs plenty of rope.
They certainly don't come across well.

As much as I dislike certain elements of our forum, I'm delighted that their views are documented.
The nastier they are, the more reasonable the rest of you appear.

And do you really think Jambers isn't trolling with his yacht talk?
He must know how it comes across.
Long may he continue, it can only be to the benefit of the rest of us.

And do you really think Jambers isn't trolling with his yacht talk?
He must know how it comes across.

He is an experienced yachtsman, so those are the circles he moves in.
(Not a sarcastic comment, btw).

But it would take a level of insensitivity I'm not sure even he possesses to be entirely serious on the matter, so I assume he's having a bit of fun with us.

only reason for that is that none of the rest want to take the blame for brexit.

It's not that, it's because if they replace her with an 'unelected' leader then it will be much harder for them to resist calls for a new general election, and they know that Corbyn has the momentum at the moment.

Queens Speech 'delayed'.

Calls from every wing of the party to back the blessed Theresa.

Is this a dagger I see [s]before[/s] behind her?

I can almost see the Tories chucking this and passing the poisoned chalice to the rest of us.

It's been delayed because she has no support, from anyone not even her own Party.

It's been delayed because she has no support, from anyone not even her own Party.

+1 but hardly a surprise considering the lead she squandered over the last 7 weeks. Also, you can p*ss people off in your party when you are winning, but when you start doing badly then don't expect them to be nice to you. It's pay back time.

+1 but hardly a surprise considering the lead she squandered over the last 7 weeks. Also, you can p*ss people off in your party when you are winning, but when you start doing badly then don't expect them to be nice to you. It's pay back time.

Maybot shoulders a lot of the blame, no doubt, but how much of this election was another protest against austerity?

certainly Corbyn garnered some support from those whose main objective was sticking 2 fingers up at the status quo, perhaps explaining why labour got so many of the UKIP votes back the Tories were counting on with their Hard Brexit bollox

I do say I'm enjoying all the infighting and squirming, claims and counter claims and misinformation being spouted by the Nasty Party.
The political turmoil we are currently embroiled in is fascinating.. hilarious in fact.

it's a slow motion car crash.

From the BBC:-

One of the reasons for the delay is also believed to be because the speech [b]has[/b] to be written on goat's skin parchment paper, which takes a few days to dry - and the Tory negotiations with the DUP mean it cannot be ready in time.

HAS to be written on a goat. Really, it HAS to be written on a goat? One of the more stupid bits of 'traditional' I've heard recently.

The political turmoil we are currently embroiled in is fascinating.. hilarious in fact.

HAS to be written on a goat. Really, it HAS to be written on a goat? One of the more stupid bits of 'traditional' I've heard recently.

AlexSimon - Member

The political turmoil we are currently embroiled in is fascinating.. hilarious in fact.

It is. Unfortunately, I also think it's damaging.
Hard to see the rest of the world taking us as seriously as they used to before Brexit.

Agreed. We should join a large trading block to acquire the gravitas that comes from being part of a larger team.

You know the way we used to punch above our weight because we were part of Europe.

So what are they going to do with the rest of the goat? There isn't a great goat eating tradtion in the UK? Are we going to sacrifice a goat make a offering to the gods, examine its entrails?

It'll be a foreign goat.

There was a load of talk about this a while back. Vellum.
It's all about life expectancy.
I've no idea why they need this particular speech to last 500 years though, given that there'll be another around the corner.

how many goats must die to satisfy the Torys lust for power?

finishthat - Member

"let them eat luxury yachts"

Just quoting it because it's too good to get lost amidst the goat chat (which itself is pretty damn good)

Foolscap goat?

<ahem> at least attribute it right, Northwind 😉

let them eat luxury yachts

in fairness to jamba, in the scale of yacht ownership £100k isn't that much to spend so maybe he thought it was an example the common man could relate too.

😆

Foolscap goat?

Even goats baulk at a Tory/DUP pact.
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Slightly differently worded comment about goat skin on the BBC live election fallout feed:

it has to be written on goat-skin - and that takes a week to process, because [b]it has to be hung up to dry[/b]

😆

#goatlivesmatter

If there needs to be a lasting record of the speech, write it out on the goat afterwards. It's not going to change then, is it?

For the purpose of drafting it and reading it, use an ipad - or an ipad in a goatskin case, if you like.

So last weekend I was helping some Swiss friends get their boat setup for a UK regatta.

As you do.

because it has to be hung [s]up[/s] out to dry

FTFY

I can hear MAlcolm Tucker shrieking "Do I look like a ****ing goatherd? Just get me a dry ****ing goat you stupid ****ing ****s!!"

This whole fiasco was caused in large part by the youth coming out and voting.

So, in other words, she would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!

So last weekend I was helping some Swiss friends get their [s]b[/s]goat setup

 

[s]Gove[/s] goat for PM, that would show all the bleating heart liberals what's what

My sister is a teacher and I could have written a similar post about a yacht except it would have been about crewing the boat. It's just a hobby and like motorsport for most people it's a rich man's sport played by poor people.

I don't think it's intended to offend. Jamba's comments on his in-laws' voting habits and lifestyle in Paris make me smile more than anything - in my head they are the rich family from "la vie est un long fleuve tranquille" mixed with the manif pour tous catho' families dropping their kids off at the school Madame works for. CFH messes around with snobby posh allusions and people seem to find that funny.

On-topic, the longer May stays the more damage she will do, just like Hollande. Damage to both the economy, the Brexit clan and ultimately her party. Long may she reign - but not long enough to finalise Brexit.

And if / when she does resign, the line of muppets looking to take over from her is worrying.

In fairness to jamba the only person I know who owns a yacht* is also a vocal Labour supporter

* The only goat owner I know is not a UK resident

the only person I know who owns a yacht* is also a vocal Labour supporter

The only communist I know has a substantial yacht.

He is an experienced yachtsman, so those are the circles he moves in.

he may be experienced but he can't be that competent if he's just sailing the boat round in circles.

Maybe if he was a little more balanced and wasn't leaning so hard over to the right then the thing would sail in a straight line 🙂

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These tariffs will be so tiny nobody will notice

She's at the England footy match right now

Good to see she's got her priorities right

party to another loss you mean? 😛

Interesting that she couldn't face the families/communities around Grenfell.
I think she's become the unacceptable face of the Conservative Party now.
I still think that they'll need a much more moderate-looking leader in the near future if they want to reverse the swing.

I still think that they'll need a much more moderate-looking leader in the near future if they want to reverse the swing.

Who's your money on? Gove or Rees-Mogg?

I'm sure some ghastly creature will crawl out from the tory back bench rock and stake a claim.

Interesting that she couldn't face the families/communities around Grenfell.

I cannot remember another PM doing this over such an event.

Whilst other tories may be more capable in some regards i really dont think another posh toff* will help them currently

* i know Gove isnt but he will be perceived as such and he hardly scores higher on the able to relate to people scale
RM is a PM form the 30's, possibly 1830's, when we were deferential. Surely too aloof to win a GE.

I dont think there is anyone obvious and baggage free tbh and I doubt anyone really wants to deal with Brexit and be leader of a non majority. They may limp on for a while with her in "charge"

The current crop of MPs risk losing their jobs if they kick her out (new election is inevitable). So they are stuck with "strong and stable" until the govt collapses in a heap. It's so much fun watching it happen,

Ken Clarke - caretaker PM. He could steer us through Brexit and retire to the Lords before the next GE.

David Davis is possibly their best bet. Theresa May has really out stayed her welcome, visiting Grenfell today but not meeting residents is the most heartless electioneering (though she's a week or so late with that) that I've seen in a long time...

Thatcher in the Rye must go, stolen from John Oliver.

Would agree about Ken Clarke, but he stepped down didn't he?

Edit, he announced his intention to stand down then did a u-turn, how apt!

[quote=scotroutes ]Ken Clarke - caretaker PM. He could steer us through Brexit and retire to the Lords before the next GE.

this is one of those posts where we apply your rule

He is never going to vote to leave the EU never min coordinate it

he announced he would stand down - expecting a vote in 2020 but stood in the latest

he is father of the house

Ken Clarke has a better chance of being the next leader of the Lib Dems than the Tories, the rank and file hate him. It has to be Boris every other nightmare has happened. Brexit and Trump were two things I thought so left field that I shouldn't worry so we might as well pick the bumbling posh liar.

[quote=Junkyard ]She really does seem scared of people and unable /unwilling to relate to them
...
* i know Gove isnt but he will be perceived as such and he hardly scores higher on the able to relate to people scale

It's bizarre to think they're actually worse than us lot on the interpersonal skills (yeah I know some of you lot have social skills, but I'm far from unique on here).

[quote=El Vino ]It has to be Boris every other nightmare has happened.

He does seem the only option. For those of us enjoying watching the [s]world[/s] Tory party burning, he does have the obvious merit of being prepared to completely **** them up for his own personal benefit in a way I'm not sure any of the others quite have the self belief to do - not even Hubris May.

I think even the tories know Boris is divisive

However if there is one person who can do an about face it is boris

therefore he becomes leader and we do not do Brexit ....its the only choice that makes sense in the current political climate

TBH i suspect he is young enough to know whoever is next will get hammered over Brexit so he want to be the next but one leader. Whether they can find someone stupid enough to take back control now i am not so sure.

Re Grenfell Tower and May's visit Peter Snow from C4 news was acosted for their coverage and police had to escort away people trying to aggressively confront Sadiq Kahn. I am sure police advice was that she should not wander around.

As for the yachts reference I raised it as the importer/dealer was whining like crazy (F-ing and blinding as I posted) about Brexit when if you look at tariffs they'll make no difference. Sold my boat years ago when tax rates went up and I left the UK, money I used to spend went into my pension. Another example of tax rises having the effect of reducing tax revenue. Lafer Curve and all that.

As for the likely leadship contender Boris won two London Mayoral terms in a vote demographic which massively favours Labour.

As for the yachts reference I raised it as the importer/dealer was whining like crazy (F-ing and blinding as I posted) about Brexit when if you look at tariffs they'll make no difference

So are you saying this is true across the economy? That tariffs won't actually hurt us?

Just introduce US style taxation laws then Jamba.

[quote=Junkyard ]TBH i suspect he is young enough to know whoever is next will get hammered over Brexit so he want to be the next but one leader. Whether they can find someone stupid enough to take back control now i am not so sure.

But he thought that at the last leadership election. In the same way the leadership contest when Hague resigned was the one to win...

[quote=jambalaya ]As for the yachts reference I raised it as the importer/dealer was whining like crazy (F-ing and blinding as I posted) about Brexit when if you look at tariffs they'll make no difference. Sold my boat years ago when tax rates went up and I left the UK, money I used to spend went into my pension. Another example of tax rises having the effect of reducing tax revenue. Lafer Curve and all that.

What's the plural of anecdote?

Interesting that she couldn't face the families/communities around Grenfell.

or at the very least, didn't think it wise, or was advised not to. Either way it's an own goal that hasn't been missed by anyone.