she is no thatcher more Gordon Brown in that she is clearly just not equipped with the skills for the job. Neither had much charisma/ bon hommie either and both were shit with voters.
[quote=kimbers ]So whens the next election?
As always when in doubt I check the odds - can get almost 2/1 against another GE this year, reckon I might go for that, it seems implausible they can last 6 months.
[quote=Junkyard ]she is no thatcher
The only quality I was suggesting she shared was hubris.
I don't think a purely tory party with a 2 seat majority would be succesful let alone this, tbh. Tories love self-preservation but they also know about the tipping point where hanging on for an extra day hurts you for longer.
But at the same time they know the next election, however many weeks or months away, is probably going to be much worse for them. Scottish unionists on the left have woken up to a Tory government that they created by their obsession with the indy ref- it was so easily avoidable, literally a couple of seats, I don't think they'll make that mistake again. Labour is, well, not united but at least mostly going in the same direction, for the first time in a long time, and they have the momentum and the credibility. Nobody in May's government is untainted.
(After seeing Dugdale and co celebrating, I almost missed that they increased their vote share by all of 2.7%.)
There's no good next step for the tories and I don't think they'll be able to decide which is the least bad either.
Brown did lack charisma, but I think he was in politics for the right reasons and cared about society. Unlike May. Brown didn't have the PR skills for modern politics, he was more suited to a previous era, perhaps a few decades earlier.
Agreed - I was no fan of Brown, but he had different (better) motivations to May.
indeed i think his heart was in the right place and his moral compass from his clergy parent helped his moral compass more than hers.
Another thing they share in common and both were controlling
Open Democracy has a pretty insightful run down on the history of the DUP. Complete with historical ties to that Bastian of race relations, Enoch Powell and campaign funding tied to Saudi intelligence.
But don't worry because it will be "in the national interest to provide certainty and keep the country safe"
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup
surely of the tory MPs, there must be a significant number who are aghast at the deal with the DUP, Mays staggering Hubris, and the ramifications of NI instability and Brexit **** up.
push her out, install a leader with no brexit/corbyn slagging smears, and reach out for some quality bipartisan politics for the good of the country.
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Surprised to find that I feel almost sorry for her. Imagine having power, yet no shred of authority, dignity or respect. Faintly pathetic.
Murdoch is out to get her big time
http://news.sky.com/story/matter-of-time-before-theresa-mays-minority-government-crumbles-10910572
loving that he left the Times election party in a rage after seeing the exit poll
DrJ I did pick the winner just not the margin I (and all the commentators) thought
You did indeed - well done. Now - why don't you tell us again that theory as to why the polls all under-predicted May's performance?
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On the contrary, it makes complete logical sense once you understand the Maybot's motivations. The only thing which is important to her is her own political ambition, the only way to sustain her position as PM was to do a deal which would allow her to get a queen's speech passed and the only possible deal which was going to enable that was one with the DUP.Do you think she cares at all about the NI peace deal? It seems at this point she is quite happy to be remembered as the shittest PM ever so long as she gets to feel powerful for a bit longer - or maybe her hubris is such that she simply doesn't realise what everybody thinks of her (I see parallels with Facha).
Lots of interesting insights into her character there - known her personally for a long time have you?
No 10 this afternoon, her voice tinged with hysteria made me worry that our PM is quite unwell.
This but I'm not sure what the options are.
So first she's announced an alliance with the DUP, and then this weekend she's entering into talks with them? Bodes well for Brexit with that negotiating nous.
Tweet from Robert Preston:
Senior Tory MP: "We all fing hate her. But there is nothing we can do. She has totally fed us".
So first she's announced an alliance with the DUP, and then this weekend she's entering into talks with them? Bodes well for Brexit with that negotiating nous.
+many
Gives her advisers time to google their policies, I suppose. And hopefully work out the ramifications of screwing up the peace process in NI for short term Parliamentary gain.
his moral compass from his clergy parent helped his moral compass more than hers.
Wow! One of the STW uber-atheists showing that sometimes religion can be a positive thing! What next?
Trying to hard there fella - i thought we were all about rapprochement of late.
Turns to him the other cheek
i thought we were all about rapprochement of late.
Just keeping you on your toes.
😀Turns to him the other cheek
Anyone else have to google rapprochement?
Sounded a bit foreign so I didn't bother. Bloody Europhiles.
[quote=bearnecessities ]Anyone else have to google rapprochement?
yes, for the spelling - True dat
I think Murdoch wants may gone sooner rather than later, he doesn't tolerate failure in his pet politicians
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So Borris apparently trying to get her out too, he's having a lot of 'conversations'
My bet is tomorrow's papers will be all about Johnson, priming the nation for his ascension, I mean he can't balls it up as badly as Cameron or May.....
I want to place a bet on Boris as leader and Boris not doing Brexit...The double whammy. Not sure Boris helps the Tories in the long run but the dearth of talent * is such that he seems to be all they have.
He is a Trump type character and so open to opportunistic politician posh boy attacks that he is the perfect opponent for Corbyn who clearly has principles and not privileges
* The national unity thread made me think there are very few competent politicians in the house these day
Very few big characters be it Healey or Heseltine - there are hardly any big hitters there - not a party political point.
My bet is tomorrow's papers will be all about Johnson, priming the nation for his ascension, I mean he can't balls it up as badly as Cameron or May.....
If he does he won't be the next leader, the conservatives don't reward a Brutus
* The national unity thread made me think there are very few competent politicians in the house these day
Very few big characters be it Healey or Heseltine - there are hardly any big hitters there - not a party political point.
I think both parties are going to have to skip a generation, the current "leaders in waiting" on both sides are poor or tainted. Needs to be someone who has had a real job not a policy wonk, advisor, or aide, and who has a proper hinterland and can engage with people
Needs to be someone who has had a real job
What like a banker a lawyer or a plumber?
sooner is the blunder the tories (well cameron) made after they(he) lost the eu vote. From a tory pov it should be the eton boys taking the flak and doing the deal or dropping the idea altogether then you parachute in the new leader who has none of the "whiff". Doing it this way they could well have 4 leaders in 3 years 😆
Beeb is reporting that Maybot has been told to sack her two closest advisors (Nick Timothy, Fiona Hill) or face a leadership challenge
A Cabinet source said that the Prime Minister must clear out the "cabal at the top" which allowed "a terrorist sympathiser to get within an inch of Downing Street".
Oh the irony!
Oh the lies!
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Beeb is reporting that Maybot has been told to sack her two closest advisors (Nick Timothy, Fiona Hill) or face a leadership challenge
Nick Timothy just resigned
Edit - Hill has gone as well apparently
So when is May calling it a day, as for NT resignation statement, working to unite the country....
Yes that is why she has got into bed with a bunch of terrorist sympathisers!
What is surprising is the increasingly apparent extent of how bad May's poltical judgement has been and continues to be. Normally politicians don't have careers as long as hers, and especially get to become PM, without very good antennae. It now looks as if she was only able to become PM because of a very specific set of circumstances where it almost fell into her lap, and she largely needed to do nothing as one by one Cameron, Gove, Johnson and Leadsom etc. took themselves out of the picture by their own mistakes. She did not have to actively campaign for the party leadership in a typical full on leadership contest while in opposition and then fight a general election to become PM.
It looks to me like her very quick announcement of a deal with the DUP was born out of similar bad judgement and panic to fill a vacuum. When Gordon Brown lost the 2010 election, he waited it out in Downing Street in silence until the Conservatives and Lib Dems had agreed a deal. Obviously the situation now is different because the Conservatives are still the largest party and so are expected to form a government, but the mark of a good politician/statesman in May's shoes in that situation would be to consult widely and take as much time as they possibly can to consider their options and the likely consequences.
Instead, May seems to have been panicked into agreeing a deal very quickly with the DUP and announcing it very quickly. Possibly she did this out of a sense of responsibility as PM/leader to act and stop the uncertainty causing damage to financial markets and the Pound etc., and possibly she felt she needed to make an announcement to stop the speculation about Labour forming a government with the other parties (the suggestions from Labour that they could form a government look like good political skills: they know they could not form a stable government, but it may have rattled May and been an added prompt to act unnecessarily quickly to stop the speculation).
The deal with the DUP itself, and the manner/hurry of its making, looks like it may be almost as big an error as calling the election. It seems she has announced the deal without actually having agreed the key terms of the deal with the DUP (in complete contrast to the negotiations between the Conservatives and the Lib Dems after the 2010 election, when the deal was only announced after the terms had been hammered out in fine detail). The DUP will want its pound of flesh, and I suspect that many Conservative MPs and the UK electorate will find the sweeteners to the DUP to be at best repugnant (extra money for Northern Ireland - say £400M, which would nicely cover the budget shortfall due to the RHI scandal) and at worst unacceptable (damage to the Good Friday agreement and harming the UK Government's role as honest broker in NI, or any influence whatsoever over government policies affecting the rest of the UK).
I suspect that May's premiership is now moving into just managing crises from day to day. Her current overriding priority is to pass the Queen's Speech. I can't help thinking that her deal with the DUP to achieve that, will add to the problems that she will rapidly face thereafter, but possibly she is planning to fall on her sword very soon, and so only cares about getting the Queen's Speech through.
If they cannot pass the Queen's Speech, then the Conservatives and the country will be in a really big mess, and I imagine there would have to be another GE within possibly as little as a couple of months. That is the last thing the Conservatives want, since Corbyn and Labour would probably do even better, and possibly even win, and the Conservatives need time to organise a change of leadership and a honeymoon period for the new leader in the opinion polls when they would be most likely to call an election. For that reason I suspect the Conservatives may well try and avoid a leadership contest, in order to be able to appoint a new leader unopposed as quickly as possible. A lengthy drawn out leadership contest would be risky, since the longer it takes, the more likelihood that things will be unravelling in Parliament and Brexit negotiations etc. while the contest is underway, and that will make the Conservatives look very bad (fiddling having a leadership contest while Rome is burning).
this 'deal' with the DUP was probably a quick phone call "...would you?" and obviously the DUP bit her hand off, they're only now discussing it. She has naively (because as we know she has virtually no political savvy beyond power at all cost), made a 'lets get to work' speech as if it's all business as usual and marched into Number 10 to apparent 'raptuous applause' like some great savior.
She's delusional, with breath taking arrogance and hubris she is willfully ignoring everyone on this ridiculous idea that she alone can take this country through one of its most challenging economic and political times.
The tories and May have attempted to exploit brexit and fear and mistakenly taken it as a mandate to lurch to the right and secure themselves decades of power, destroying the opposition in the process with a snap election.
Half the people may have decided, but you cannot ignore the other half. We must now all work together to make it the best possible outcome for the country, despite her saying otherwise she has failed to foster that. We need visionary strong leadership to build a bipartisan consensus that sends our absolute best team into the negotiations.
Good analysis apart from the being surprised at their incompetence part.
To summarise . She is ****ing crap and having half the country hate you is in no way a success.
**** off you evil , hateful bitch.
I hope she is sitting on the toilet bawling her ****ing eyes out.
Looks like the knives are out for may within the tory party..
Like a pack of hyenas they prey on the weak and vulnerable, even their own.
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All the MPs should line up in parliament stripped of party status. Two should be picked at random and made to pick teams one at a time like a playground football game. Once we have enough for a cabinet and a shadow cabinet the team picking can stop. Everyone not picked can sit on any benches they want and have a free vote issue by issue. This can continue till the end of the parliament and until brexit has completed.
As daft as it might sound, it's not as daft as the current situation.
How many Tory voters would have not voted Tory if they had known a deal with the DUP was how Maybot was going to have a last gasp crack at staying in no10....i wonder?
Bad Friday Agreement
Well she's thrown her advisors under the bus, will buy her some time, must be feeling isolated now.
Wonder how much power she has left, whether she's just obeying the BSDs in the Tory party
