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crashtestmonkey - Member
So what's stopping SF saying 'f--- that' and turning up at Westminster, thus cancelling out the influence of the DUP?
The fact that to do so they would have to swear allegiance to the crown?
Just a tiny stumbling block. I'm sure they can see their way to getting round that...
So what's stopping SF saying 'f--- that' and turning up at Westminster, thus cancelling out the influence of the DUP?
They campaign on a platform of not taking seats and are never going to swear allegiance to the Queen which is a requirement of sitting in Westminster
This comedy sketch must be 30 years old?
The DUP still think this kind of thing is a documentary
Oddly the company I work for recently designated whatsapp as non secure
Really? Wasn't the maybot throwing a shit fit about how all these companies won't help her shitty spy service lo monitor if it, if it's not secure surely the simpletons at GCHQ would be able to read in
[quote=chakaping ]Well she should have resigned and 100% would have under normal circumstances - but the Tories have really painted themselves into a corner now.
Can't imagine she'll be enjoying her final few months in the top job.
Apologies for the source, but I CBA trawling for a better one, was curious what the DM was saying and came across this suggesting that Maybot had to be talked out of resigning [url= http://tinyurl.com/y7taql6s ]warning: Daily Mail link with workaround for annoying STW filter[/url]
The Torys showing the compassion and decency we all expect
Joey Jones, a former adviser to Theresa May, said the PM has suffered "ritual humiliation" at the hands of her own party.He told BBC News that "it seems to me almost she is prime minister only in name".
Two of Mrs May's aides - Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill - have resigned following calls by Tory MPs for her to sack the pair.
"I think that what has happened here is the ritual humiliation and the humbling of the Prime Minister by her very own party," said Mr Jones, who was adviser to Mrs May as home secretary in 2016.
He added: "It is a very lonely situation in which she finds herself - hostage to the Conservative party, within Downing Street.
"The likelihood is there is going to be a knock at that black door and she will be on her way."
Especially those BSDs kindly wrote a resignation for her
.@nicholaswatt says snr Tory figures prepared for "all eventualities" during Thurs night even drafting resignation speech for PM #newsnight
5:10 PM - 10 Jun 2017
to be fair they just suffered humiliation at her hand so its hardly surprising they are blaming her for all of thisJoey Jones, a former adviser to Theresa May, said the PM has suffered "ritual humiliation" at the hands of her own party
She decided to hold the GE, she implemented the plan and manifesto and she must carry the can - though she has tried to throw her advisers under a bus to avoid this
Who else were they going to turn on ?
They won't actually kick her out though, they can't (yet)
The Cabinet meeting Monday morning (or whenever) should be fun.
[quote=Junkyard ]to be fair they just suffered humiliation at her hand so its hardly surprising they are blaming her for all of this
Quite - it would be easier to feel sympathy for the BSDs.
I read she was summoned before the 1922 who told her to ditch those advisors.
Does this result which was largely a brexit endorsement now nullify the referendum? What on earth basis is she going to be negotiating from, she's not even going to be taken seriously.
Will we be staying in now in all but name.
Junkyard - lazarusits hardly surprising they are blaming her for all of this
It's not fair- just because it's entirely her fault.
It's not fair- just because it's entirely her fault.
its hardly surprising they are blaming her for all of this
Cold, you guys are cold
I'm starting a campaign
#freeTheresa
Like her I dont agree with human rights for your enemies 😉
Do you think, #freetheMaybot or even
#PrayforMay is better
according to dm comments section she should go cos she's leading a remainer conspiracy to derail brexit, part of the proof of this is putting the blame at the feet of David Davis. 😆
I saw someone on reddit last night claiming she was a cuck infiltrator
according to dm comments section she should go cos she's leading a remainer conspiracy to derail brexit
Seen that on web a few times
part of the proof of this is putting the blame at the feet of David Davis.
Loving the extra detail
I saw someone on reddit last night claiming she was a cuck infiltrator
These brexies are funny, but their paranoia and willing immersion in the alt-right worldview is quite scary!
Over 1/2millon people signed a petition on change.org opposing the DUP Collation..
If you want to put your name to it, follow the link on the Independent's website.
bikebouy - MemberOver 1/2millon people signed a petition on change.org opposing the DUP Collation..
Must be half a million commited tories, or half a million self conscious DUP voters because the coalition will destroy both parties. Let them at it I say.
[quote=Klunk ]according to dm comments section she should go cos she's leading a remainer conspiracy to derail brexit
The reverse Hanlon's razor - it seems plausible 😆
They're not forming a coalition though, will be some sort of agreement but not an actual coalition.
Even the tories know an actual coalition would be too much for some.Lol
Over 1/2millon people signed a petition on change.org opposing the DUP Collation..If you want to put your name to it, follow the link on the Independent's website.
Although I may not agree with the DUP they were voted into their seats via a the process we have. They have as much right to be part of a government as anyone else who was voted in. it is up to the elected officials to form a government and staff it as they see appropriate.
If there had been a conservative or labour majority would there be a petition to invalidate the vote?
This outcome was on the cards from the moment the exit polls came out. There are simply no other options for them to stay in power. While they waste time the clock is ticking.
[url= http://news.sky.com/story/how-long-until-britain-leaves-the-eu-live-countdown-10817397 ]Countdown to Brexit[/url]
Just checked with my (French) wife and in France the government has the right to sell your house whilst you are still alive to fund your social care. Socialist France. They also means test yoir children too if your house is not worth enogh and they are asked to contribute.
@dirtydog it may be a full on coalition, I believe thats being discussed
@Klunk on that piece they make the point that a Government negotiating Brexit should be lead by someone who campaigned for Leave. If (when) May goes thats who will most likely be PM
It's not fair- just because it's entirely her fault.
🙂
Therefore she cannot rule as a minority
3 months max and the whole shit show unravels and we have another GE
Every line they peddled about JC becomes farcical (coalition + terrorist sympathiser) and they're the polar opposite of strong and stable
Labour in power within 4 months
While they waste time the clock is ticking.Countdown to Brexit
Site is down 🙂 🙂 🙂
[quote=jambalaya ]
@dirtydog it may be a full on coalition, I believe thats being discussed
The Democratic Unionist Party have agreed in principle a "confidence and supply" deal to support a Conservative government, it has been announced.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40236152
Does this result which was largely a brexit endorsement now nullify the referendum? What on earth basis is she going to be negotiating from, she's not even going to be taken seriously.
Will we be staying in now in all but name.
@Nipper that is seriously clutching at straws
The result was driven mostly by Mays's disastrous Manifesto commitment to use home value to fund social care (as they do in France but thats not the point) and a successful Labour attack line on police numbers.
The Labour Party camlaigned on the basis of ending freedom of movement, hence withdrawing from THE single market and customs union.
May tried to make it all about Brexit and lost her majority as Labour made the election about other things as they basically agreed with May on Brexit.
@scot ah thanks had not seen that
I have a sneaky feeling May may put any "Brexit Bill" to a Parliamentary Vote, thats a trap for Labour et al and quite a good negotiating stance a bit like that famous line from Dangerous Liaisons "Its beyond my control" 🙂
I hope she stays. With every utterance from the knuckle dragging terrorist supporting ****wits she's aligning herself with and with every condition she fails to meet in the exit negotiations, the more the turkeys will realise that voting for Christmas probably wasn't so smart after all. So, stick in there Theresa and kill off any chance the Tories have for the next couple of elections
😆The result was driven mostly by Mays's disastrous Manifesto commitment to use home value to fund social care
^^ it should as its a sensible policy
He is pointing to the post above announcing the policy in the guardian
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-may-about-to-call-an-election/page/37#post-8480561
Jamby this is just getting silly now you are going to run out of positions to reverse soon and even may does fewer U turns than you
If there had been a conservative or labour majority would there be a petition to invalidate the vote?
Possibly, but it wouldn't be making the headlines... Thanks to the bigotry and corruption of the DUP the Tories have managed to create a lightning rod for the suddenly engaged 'youth' voters
Anti gay, anti abortion, climate change denial, creationism, not to mention that missing £1/2bn
These are all things that the Tories have spent decades trying to put behind them, of course the DUP won't be demanding an end to abortion or same sex marriage as their concessions,- it'll be cold hard cash -
The Tories bringing them into government are endorsing them
Even in the 80s the nasty party were reviled by the young ones, project Cameron helped cleanse that & culturally we've all moved on since then, it seems NI hasn't, maybe it WILL help bring NI forward in its thinking, but the impression will be that the Tories are moving back to their old ground and it's going to horrify and galvanise the youth vote & beyond.
Social media has been bouncing round pics & info about the DUP for the last few days, the petition is just the start
Keep it up Maybot & co, you are playing a blinder
We will scrap the Conservatives’
Brexit White Paper and replace it
with fresh [b]negotiating priorities that
have a strong emphasis on retaining
the benefits of the Single Market
and the Customs Union [/b]
That's the Labour Manifesto.
May tried to make it all about Brexit and lost her majority as Labour made the election about other things as they basically agreed with May on Brexit.
Not really the same at all!
We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.
Versus Theresa May's manifesto pledge:
Blah blah blah David Davis blah blah nasty party blah bloody difficult
In answer to the OP, yes, of course she [i]should[/i].
I'm hoping she stays a bit longer. She's the gift that keeps giving. I'd have paid £3 to vote for her had I known she'd do this much damage.
It'd be worth it alone to see jamba and the rest of our pet right wing nut job bitty boys whinging about how bad a week its turning out to be. 😆
Labour recognises that leaving the
EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible
deal for Britain and that it would do
damage to our economy and trade.
[b]We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable
option[/b] and if needs be negotiate
transitional arrangements to avoid
a cliff-edge for the economy.
And a bit more 🙂
Theresa must go protest outside downing Street still ongoing,
morphed into anti DUP protest
It's not May, she's a human shield right now, Tory BSDs hiding behind her while the millennial momentum snowflakes protest
[url= https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/873542555601915907 ]This tweet[/url] from the editor of BBC2's Newsnight indicates what is now influencing every decision that May and the Conservatives take:
One of striking aspects of election aftermath is how many snr Tories agree they cant go to the country any time soon as Corbyn likely winner
[quote=dirtydog ]They're not forming a coalition though, will be some sort of agreement but not an actual coalition.
Even the tories know an actual coalition would be too much for some.Lol
You are ninfan and I claim my £5 😉
Fundamentally the damage done (in all senses and to all parties) is the same whether a coalition or not.
Like almost all petitions, that petition is daft, but it certainly shows something...
[quote=jambalaya ]@Klunk on that piece they make the point that a Government negotiating Brexit should be lead by someone who campaigned for Leave. If (when) May goes thats who will most likely be PM
cite 😉
What your mate Nige* actually said was that "she doesn't believe in it", to which Mr Schama made the obvious counter. Clearly that's a problem to Nige, but the logic of your assertion rather fails when Labour wins the next election - which of the Labour Leave MPs do you think should become PM? Of course the other issue is exactly the same assertions could be made about your mate Boris.
* whilst I still don't agree with him on much, it's become clear that Nige is a fairly shrewd politician
[quote=slowster ]One of striking aspects of election aftermath is how many snr Tories agree they cant go to the country any time soon as Corbyn likely winner
Unlike TM's coalition of chaos, that is a certainty. The trouble is the DUP will also be aware of that, as will everybody else sitting in the commons, and almost half of them will be quite keen on the idea.
TM is toast ...there will be no election in the short term but she will be gone into weeks
Badly advised and perhaps very aloof ....
I'm surprised that no one from the Tory's has blamed the Russians yet
😆
My local MP is openly gay was in a safe Tory seat with nearly 10k majority, now in a 1000 vote marginal, he's getting hostility on Twitter from local gay community about DUP coalition
19 out Tory MPs (45 in total, world record)
Highest number of women MPs ever elected to parliament
Country is now in hock to these guys....
All for a 2 seat majority 😯
#freeTheresa
"With every ten clubcard points".
Brexit should be lead by someone who campaigned for Leave. If (when) May goes thats who will most likely be PM
perhaps they can use the key points from the leave manifesto? you know, that well written and argued series of guidelines and justification for leaving.
oh wait, it was a man-monkey shitting in his hand and throwing it at the fan that is the daily mail.
Ever since the GE was called May has been acting light a rabbit caught in headlights and her erractic, indescive and impulsive behaviour has increasingly worsened.
Someone needs to put her out of her misery and put a halt to her chaotic ( and resulting dangerous) behaviour. It will only get worse the longer she stays as PM.
The stupid thing is, if she was rational and conceded that we need a cross party group on Brexit and accepted that some areas of Tory policy needed refinement (as several senior tories have suggested post result), I think she could happily have formed a minority govt. without DUP help and come out of this much more popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_tenure
Maybe she just wants to get up the list a bit. There was a very funny twist in the Australian PM change where they ousted the very unpopular Tony "budgie smugglers" Abbot about a week before his gold plated pension would have been earned. Knifed and twisted there... Is there anything like that in the UK?
The smart plotters will know that she needs to take the fall for a few things first in order for them to come in on the up.
Somebody tweeted me an acronym but I've lost their details.Hats off to whoever suggested Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team
Armando Iannucci
It would be interesting to know if for example the 1922 committee agreed with her jumping into bed with the DUP. The whole thing smacks of her continuing to misread public opinion to a spectacular degree.
Her public speeches since the election have also been pretty delusional, are her supporters even believing the BS?
It would be interesting to know if for example the 1922 committee agreed with her jumping into bed with the DUP. The whole thing smacks of her continuing to misread public opinion to a spectacular degree.
Well it looks like yet another U-turn cock-up, as the DUP say that the Tory announcement of a deal is not true. More strength and stability. Not.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/10/theresa-may-dup-deal-snag-tory-rebellion
I'm told that the humane and efficient thing to do is give her a head start, then let the news hounds chase her until they catch her and rip her apart in a quick and painless kill.
I couldn't comment of course as I have no real knowledge of the issue. 😉
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LOL if Boris falls for that one his more of a fool than we ever thought 🙂
Chancellor demands softer Brexit for business
You might as well call the whole thing off 😀
I'd like her to stay on. I always like watching political reputations slowly being disassembled in the full glare of 24 media and twitter.
She could have looked for a 52:48 Brexit that worked for all. She didn't.
Time for revenge I think.
But then I'm not a nice person am I. 8)
Is 'bloody difficult woman' the same as 'bloody ignorant woman'.
Just bloody stupid
The smart plotters will know that she needs to take the fall for a few things first in order for them to come in on the up.
Yeah she's just a punchbag right now, they're pushing May's personal friendship with Foster
Hoping the DUP toxicity can be owned by May, not the whole party.
And we thought they were ruthless dismantling Cameron's reputation!
The fat Pinnata looks like he is being lined up to finish TM, IMO that would make this disaster even worse.
The fat Pinnata looks like he is being lined up to finish TM, IMO that would make this disaster even worse.
For who?
Everyone 😆
So wait, despite the Gov saying last night they'd made a deal with the DUP
they're now saying that they haven't agreed one yet.
The Coalition of Chaos tag couldn't be more true 🙂
Everyone
I don't know, the longer this omnishambles continues, the stronger labour gets. They don't really need to campaign anymore, the tories are doing it for them...
I have been crossing my fingers that no deal is agreed and we have to back to the polls. I'd vote Labour next time around as I think it would be fun to see how badly a Socialist party could shag the economy and [I have a potty mouth] up brexit 🙂
I'd vote Labour next time around as I think it would be fun to see how badly a Socialist party could shag the economy and f!ck up brexit
The bar has been set pretty low.
. I'd vote Labour next time around as I think it would be fun to see how badly a Socialist party could shag the economy and f!ck up brexit
Is that like cranberry paying his £3 to vote for Corbyn to destroy labour as an electoral force
How did that work out again....?
😆
the daily fail is having a nervous breakdown at the moment, everyones to blame except immigrants and the EU 😯 😀
they're now saying that they haven't agreed one yet.
No more progress until Monday apparently since the DUP will be too busy locking up swings and the like to do politics. Perhaps Corbyn could send them a photo of him working in his allotment and ask if that is permissable to confuse things a while longer.
LOL if Boris falls for that one his more of a fool than we ever thought
In ordinary circumstances it's possible that encouraging Boris to make a leadership bid could be a trap, but these are not ordinary circumstances.
Every cabinet minister and every Conservative MP now knows that May is a disaster in an election campaign, and they also know that they probably only have a year or two at the very most - possibly even only a few months - before the next election.
The Conservatives know that they must stop the rot and reverse what is looking dangerously like a sharply downward trend. Simply electing a supposedly safe pair of hands as leader like David Davis or Hammond etc. is not going to be good enough. They need to turn things around very quickly, and Boris is the obvious, and probably only candidate with the star quality who might be able to do that.
I suspect it's not a case of Boris deciding when to make his bid, but rather that he is letting the BSDs in the party come to him as supplicants asking/begging him to take on the leadership and get them out of the mess they are in. Boris is probably in a position to demand a very high price to take over as leader, e.g. complete freedom of choice of cabinet members, and sweeping control over Brexit negotiations (not a hard Brexit or a soft Brexit, but a Boris Brexit).
If Boris takes over, then I would expect an early election: there is no way he would try to persevere with the DUP deal, which will only damage the Conservatives (and him if he is leader) the longer it lasts.
"Boris Boris Boris Boris....."
*ahem*
Andrew Mitchell
It would be interesting to know if for example the 1922 committee agreed with her jumping into bed with the DUP
they ordered her not to do a formal coalition hence why its an informal arrangement- even the TOries dont want to get into bed with that lot
fwiw worth jambs, in this country your house can be sold to fund your care and they'll keep taking your money until you get down to about 23k IIRC.
what was wonderful about may's u turn on that social care policy, aside from how quickly it happened and how damaging, was that actually, we do need to have that conversation. it wasn't that bad an idea.
she didn't loose because of that alone, it was because they'd done such a bang up job of making the election about her versus corbyn, but unfortunately she made it very apparent to everyone just how much vacuum there is in place of a personality. she wouldn't debate anyone, she wouldn't take any questions outside of the party faithful, and she had no answers for the difficult questions. all corbyn did, by contrast, was be consistent.
i'm not altogether sure that corbyn would do well if there was another election right now. it's not that he's great, just that the tories are shit.
after the referendum, everyone went back home from the holiday in UKIP, and the 48 voted tactically. unfortunately the lib dems weren't a credible force, so the 48 went for the least worst option, which was simply to get the tories in to a much weaker position.
mission accomplished.
if brexit does go ahead now, we'll end up retaining all the features that most stuck in the craw of the leavers, freedom of movement etc. but at least we'll still have the customs union and a lot of the other benefits. mind you, we're going to have to pay for it, and end up the ginger step child of the EU for a long, long time.
our best bet, now, really is to call the whole thing off.
i've never been so intrigued by politics.
i'm not altogether sure that corbyn would do well if there was another election right now. it's not that he's great, just that the tories are shit.
Don't agree. Corbyn was offering policies that haven't been offered for years and a lot of people like them (what they will deliver and the fairness to approach).
May was offering no policies that anyone could like and sticking to the same old we need to save money so can't improve our public services (even though tax rises are staring them in the face using money from the 'magic money tree'). They could offer the same but won't because it would upset the rich people they are there to support.
Fallon getting taken apart by Marr right now 🙂
Hypocrisy of alliance with DUP after monstering Corbyn
Turns him into a maybot soundbite machine.....
if corbyn's policies had really chimed with the electorate he'd be measuring up no. 10 for curtains right now.
don't get me wrong, i'm delighted with this result, but being less shit than the other lot is not really a win.
i'll be amazed if boris takes the job. brexit was always a poison chalice and he's too shrewd for that. he was waiting in the wings for that to blow over before stepping up. i think the only way he could do it and pull it off would be to go for referendum 2.
if corbyn's policies had really chimed with the electorate he'd be measuring up no. 10 for curtains right now
Or if the knuckle draggers weren't so influenced by the right wing gutter press
Do we really need to repost the election day front pages of the Dail Heil and The Scum?