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He still lost.
and a pyrrhic victory for the Maybot.
He still lost.
yes but his loss was so much better than Mays loss. Its the weirdest election ever when the losers are happier than the "winners".
Where did that 150 majority go and you cannot claim win when you swap majority for minority, hard brexit for soft, String and stable for no one else wants the job its yours etc. You cannot really be happy as tory with what just happened. yes it could have been worse but it was some way from a good night and what you expected. Even may called it a loss - well before it actually happened - do you want the quote again?
Its not hung though is it
this is pretty basic stuff jamby and one where one needs to put in effort to get it wrong. Are you deliberately trying to look stupid by getting something so basic wrong?
When a general election results in no single political party winning an overall majority in the House of Commons, this is known as a situation of no overall control, or a 'hung Parliament'.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament/
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Mr Woppit - Member
Andrew Mitchell
Ahem. Look who's just popped his head above the parapet... 😉
Edit. Double Post.
You'd think Andrew Mitchell would have learnt his lesson about keeping his mouth shut when he's had a few. As a big Cameron supporter his days of influence in the party are over.
Inside information, is it?
Or perhaps, your well known ability to interpret the ebb and flow of current nuance.
Isn't there something about reaping whirlwinds...
Theresa May is just perfect IMO: She spouts lots of hardnosed tory policies but when it comes to the crunch she will always volte-face if she thinks public opinion is against her. This, combined with the (for me) perfect GE result which has rendered her completely toothless in the Brexit negotiations, hopefully leading to the whole sorry charade being consigned to history's great garbage bin. Gove or Fox are much more idealistic and less slippery pole climbers IMO, so worse for a prompt Brexit collapse. Corbyn would not have been desirable in this respect either.
@chickenman election result makes wto / "no deal" Brexit more likely not less. IMO of course.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-40551928
Given the collection of headlines your going to be waking up to her days are looking numbered. With enough rebellion from her own ranks the opposition parties must see this as a great chance to test her.
Theresa May's speech on Tuesday reaching out to opposition parties makes the lead for several of the papers - with headlines such as "May's cry for help to Corbyn" in the Daily Telegraph, "Weakened May pleads for support from rivals" in the Times and "May appeals to Labour for policy ideas" in the Guardian.
The i says the prime minister's message would have been unthinkable before her election gamble backfired.
The Times says it is an admission of her political weakness.
For the Guardian, the speech will be seen as an attempt to relaunch her faltering premiership.
The Telegraph says Mrs May's appeal comes at a time when her leadership is at its weakest, with calls by Tory MPs for her to stand down after her failure to secure a majority.
The Financial Times describes it as an attempt to shore up her premiership against mutinous MPs as she prepares to publish the most significant piece of Brexit legislation - the Repeal Bill - on Thursday.
Manoeuvring among ambitious backbenchers and pro-EU MPs is intensifying ahead of the bill, it adds.
The EU, a sure fire way to poison the Tory party.
Did i really hear that she'd be saying in this relaunch "for the many, not the privileged few" ?
As an aside, there's a mock-momentum movement by supporters of Rhys-Mogg and yet another rebrand of a very tired looking party, which is completely out of policy ideas to the point that they have to borrow from Labour. Remember, they've been in government for even years, five of which in coalition. Collectively they look incompetent, tired and ideologically bankrupt.
I can't see what the likes of Davis, Johnson etc can do to change the party's fortunes. With Brexit the Conservatives look like a one policy party, with more MPs opposed than in favour. If we do indeed crash out of the EU with no deal and people do become much poorer, then the electoral backlash will be brutal and completely deserved.
Does anyone actually care what she says any more? Its not like she can actually DO anything, is it? She's completely powerless, as todays "oh god... please let me do something?! ANYTHING?!!! appeal to the opposition parties demonstrates.
I'm finding her ongoing humiliation fairly compelling. Not to mention highly entertaining. Its a proper slow motion car crash. A thoroughly deserved one. She wants to be gone, clearly. The party want her gone. The country seems mostly indifferent. Yet once again the interests of the various nutter factions in the Tory party take precedence over everything.
For now.
It won't last, of course. Even though they know its mental to do so, the ego's of Boris, DD, Gove and whoever else won't let them spend the summer not preparing a leadership bid. Soon as they've had a week off, they'll be canvassing support and briefing against each other.
Oh well... in the meantime I'm sure I'm not the only one enjoying the sight of a 'government' in a state of total paralysis. And I'm sure it'll continue. I mean.... can anyone honestly see a general election, no matter who is leading the Tory party, delivering anything other than another hung parliament?
So I'm also hoping that this state of stasis also means that the whole Brexit process is also placed in cold storage indefinitely, or even better, collapses completely
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/you-do-know-that-im-the-leader-of-the-labour-party-corbyn-asks-may-20170710131463 ]Total desperation![/url] 😀
Indeed. The problem with leadership challenges is that internal party disputes can get very nasty in public, further toxifying the Conservative brand. The party's slim majority won't help them one bit, the in-fighting will continue even with a Boris, Davis, Gove or whoever in charge.
There should have been a change of leader immediately after the election, but the decision makers within the party know that with Brexit negotiations underway and the need to push the required legislation through parliament, a leadership change would be one distraction too many. They're suddenly weakened and vulnerable in the media for the first time in living memory too, not even the Murdoch papers, the Telegraph or the two far right tabloids could summon enough votes to scupper a hung parliament.
The current crop of party heavyweights promise more of the same, or a lurch further right that simply won't win them votes. The only logical way out for them is to parachute someone with centrist appeal like Ruth Davidson into a safe seat and for her to mount a successful leadership bid.
the torygraph really have turned on her
Even CMD had the humility to know he'd made a huge cock up and had to go.
There's not a great deal that the newspapers can do, if May goes before the end of summer there's likely to be another General Election which Labour will likely win.
Remember, the wealthy owners and editors of the right wing press have pushed hard for Brexit, which is looking increasingly like it'll be unworkable. If I were Corbyn, I think I'd remind Theresa May that it was an internal dispute in her own party which got us all into this mess in the first place.
I think she'd have gone in a heartbeat, if they'd let her. Did you see the look on here face when the results were announced? And she's looked more like a haunted shop dummy with every day thats passed since.
The Tory high command are operating a 'you broke it, you own it' policy. They know theres no way the country will stomach another leadership election, and certainly not another general election, without properly punishing this rank incompetence. So they're all just stuck in this excruciating (or absolutely ****ing hilarious, depending on your persuasion) powerless limbo, because every single other alternative is potentially far worse.
The longer this debacle goes on though, the less likely it is that a hard Brexit, or indeed any Brexit at all will be able to proceed. No matter what the fevered, fetid little imaginations of Liam Fox and John Redwood would like to believe.
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/please-stay-while-we-savour-your-humiliation-britain-tells-may-20170609129137 ]The usual accurate summary from the Mash[/url]
The usual accurate summary from the Mash
And the longer version:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/10/making-maybot-theresa-may-rise-and-fall
I'm loving every day of her staying on, like a paralysed insect caught in a web, utterly helpless. Of course once she goes and Corbyn wins, then he'll do the same to himself and the labour party.
How the heck does someone go through that many years of life without realising that you can't go around saying the n-word!ctk - Member**** in the woodpile FFS!
May will just be happy the focus shifts to someone else, even if it is her party, and hope it stays in the news cycle for a few days. Unlikely though she can manage a few days without another act of grotesque incompetence.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html ]You were saying...?[/url]
Looks like this is making a reappearance again on the news. Seems the party propping her up was essentially acting as a front for huge, anonymous and very dodgy donations to fund the Brexit campaign
Our two main parties are bloody hopeless - both of them. They never learn and always self destruct over the same issues.
Osborne once more spurting vitriole across the Standard. His bitternes would make Angostura blush
Good job we haven't got a country to run
How the hell did May get herself in the pickle. A lukewarm remainer sacrificed at the altar of Brexshit Bullshit. Amazing....
As crap as she is, what follows will be even worse. Shambles....
She got herself in this pickle precisely because she's bloody useless. Have you read the [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/10/making-maybot-theresa-may-rise-and-fall ]John Crace analysis[/url] Hurty?
She's a shockingly awful politician, with terrible instincts. But I agree with you on one thing. What follows will inevitably be worse. And I suspect that's going to be sooner rather than later
So what happens with the "****" women. If she's booted out of the tory party is there a bi election?
I have never been a fan, although did think that she was doing better than I expected initially, but that was from a low base.
In fact her early Btexshit stiff was pretty good and then she totally lost the plot by pandering to the nutters. In truth, labour and the Tories are pretty close on Brexshit albeit for different reasons, so there is no excuse for the descent into chaos.
The current lot a afoul,but the idea of the shadow cabinet being in charge is too awful to contemplate. Starmer apart. He and Hammond should form a mini coalition to sort the bloody mess out.
Telegraph is furious she buggered up the election, they are not alone in this.
@binners she is still PM, so she is getting things done Brexit being the focus and I am good with that 8)
Curious how the other parties where desperate that Brexit be a multi party project except when they are asked to contribute ... oh no that's a sign of weakness and having no ideas. Doh !
Jamba - does the stench of corruption/dodgy deals not even bother you slightly? Or is it just a case of the 'ends justifying the means' for you?
They may be committed to Brexit, but I admire your confidence in thinking that this gang of clowns can actually deliver it, in any form that you and your fellow fanatics would recognise Jammers 🙂
Phillip Hammond is the only grown up in the room. And he (rightly) thinks the whole business is insane!
Chances of the Tory party not going to war with itself over the summer?
Zero IMHO
Starmer apart. He and Hammond should form a mini coalition to sort the bloody mess out
So we'd be cancelling brexshit in that case, huzzah!
Curious how the other parties where desperate that Brexit be a multi party project except when they are asked to contribute ...
That'd be because no one wants to own the damage that Brexits already doing to the country....
Even though Maybots just lost another MP for revealing the true face of brexit & the DUP are busy stirring up sectarian hatred in the marching season, she's still playing a blinder, right? 😉
Jamba - does the stench of corruption/dodgy deals not even bother you slightly? Or is it just a case of the 'ends justifying the means' for you?
Sorry you've lost me, what are you referring to ? (genuine question, will respond)
Jammers darling... do keep up
As part of the grubby deal with the delightful orange order, creationist climate-change-deniers, May has shelved plans to make the transparency of political donations retrospective to 2014. Which, totally coincidentally I'm sure, means that the DUP/UVF/whatever get to keep it a secret about who used them as a front to funnel the trifling sum of £425,000 into your beloved Brexit campaign
Nothing remotely dodgy there then?
And a really good look for a PM, being complicit in that type of thing
Sorry! However Binners beat me to it - I honestly thought my post was obvious - I'll try not to be so opaque in future.
Nice to see the Maybot and the unhinged Brexshitters she's now the mouthpiece for now have the [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power,_Corruption_%26_Lies ]Full trilogy...[/url]....
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Less of the former. Now there in name only. A lot more of the latter two
The corruption investigated
https://www.channel4.com/news/the-400000-donation-to-pro-brexit-campaign
teamhurtmore - Member
I have never been a fan, although did think that she was doing better than I expected initially, but that was from a low base.
What has she achieved? Protracted Court case to remind her what Parliament is for. Any other legislation delivered? More flips than a Danny M you tube, thrown away a majority and had to bribe the dup? What were your starting expectations?
Considering how disastrous she was as home secretary, those first few months as PM weren't so bad.
At the risk of repeating myself...
She has always been an original thought vacuum. She was useless at the home sec too, somehow her long list of disasters (go home vans, paedophile inquiry, passport & customs backlogs, Abu qutada deportation farce etc etc) were all overlooked and she became PM, her quest for hard Brexit obviously a mistake she only had to open her mouth to send the £ plunging, then came a colossally incompetent election campaign..... And now she is being given another chance!?!?
She's just been interviewed on Five Live.
Absolutely delusional! Its worth listening too, just as an example of how utterly detached from reality one person can be.
In surely the greatest use of understatement ever, she admitted that her election campaign 'hadn't gone perfectly' 😆
And if one more politician mentions the will of the British people I will explode.
It's the will of just over half the people who voted and most of those ****ers are dead.
PM May is absolutely better than any of the oppositions candidates. Those opposition candidates that keep on thinking they can be in govt are simply laughable if not living in utopia. The oppositions live in the past with the mindset of being EU bureaucratic servitude. Absolutely detached from reality. 🙄
Absolutely detached from reality.
May or Chewkw?
I think that she claims not to regret calling the election shows that shes just another bullshitting politician
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40592808 ]Teresa May shed a tear[/url]
Poor luv.
Less of the former. Now there in name only. A lot more of the latter two
I've nothing new to add to the debate except to say that I'm hugely impressed with the inclusion of that particular New Order LP cover.
Funny how the Great Repeal Bill is not going to transfer existing EU human rights legislation isn't it. The cynic in me might think that the minority government doesn't give a fig about human rights because they believe that we shouldn't be so uppity as to expect non-millionaires to have any.
God that was bad
Marr had her over a barrel on Universal Credit, tuition fees, Brexit, election U-turn, Johnson....
She looks like she could implode at any minute, the very opposite of strong & stable
She's an appalling place holder until someone else with more leadership firepower has the balls to step up. Unfortunately that list is very short. She's got to be the worst prime minister wave had for a long time and that after following Brown and Cameron. Just when we actually need someone competent.
no one else wants to be at wheel as tbe brexit broom broom goes over the cliff.
Fibbing to Her Maj!! Off with her head!!
Did I see that the massive pledge to students was about 360/year or something? As with all of these things actions speak louder than words.
Anyway what time is borris/brutus on?
God that was bad
#carcrash
I hope every minute of her remaining time in office is filled with agony. ****ing bitch.
I also wish the same on her successor .
With Boris's latest ramblings in the press it's obvious that he's just pushing her into sacking him, so he can be a Brexit martyr and curry favour with the doddering old racist giffers who will decide the next leader.
He's the only man stupid enough to want the Tory leadership at the moment. That's entitlement for you.
Theresa is basically being held hostage as leader, on the basis of 'you broke it, you own it'
This week is going to be an absolute car crash! A total farce!
Good job there's nothing important going on at the moment
I hope we get someone competent. I expect to be disappointed.
Phillip Hammond is the only grown up in the room.
It'll be Boris
Just what we need.
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Boris just wants to be a PM. He wants his name in gold letters on an oak plaque at Eton and his picture on the staircase at Number 10.
How he gets there, he doesn't care. What he needs to do (to the country), he doesn't care.
Hesaltine has just been interviewed and said he sees no potential leaders of the Tory party that would prevent Corbyn being in number 10 within a couple of years
Boris just wants to be a PM. He wants his name in gold letters on an oak plaque at Eton and his picture on the staircase at Number 10.
This definitely. He only wants the kudos of having the top job, even if it's only for a couple of years post-brexit.
binners - Member
Hesaltine has just been interviewed and said he sees no potential leaders of the Tory party that would prevent Corbyn being in number 10 within a couple of yearsPOSTED 27 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
If it hadn't been for a large chunk of his parliamentary party, and a few fellow travelers (nudge nudge, bin bins), he might well have been there now.
Hesaltine has just been interviewed and said he sees no potential leaders of the either party that would prevent Corbyn being in number 10 within a couple of years
FTF him
Our two major parties are both in appalling states. Labour spout a load of populist tosh last week ( before backtracking) nd the Tories can only come with two pathetic attempts to attract the young. Truly sad state of affairs.
Good job no one is proposing letting these muppets have more say in running the economy
How bad can it be if Corbyn is seen as a likely PM. Brexshit is bad enough without imagining Jezz trying to execute it
Compare Jezza’s campaign for the GE wirh his Remain efforts. Absolutely clear where his heart and allegence lies. You can”t execute his agenda whilst being an EU member state or a member of the single market.
I presume you're a Jezza fan then, jamba?
Sounding just like the Marr interview -
“What about your policy ?”
“Well Labour ...”
Marr was being v smart - different league to Peston
Each question was leading/awkward with the obvious build up to the sack Bojo final trump card
May handled that but ok but has no vision nor strategy to focus on. She is overwhelmed by Brexshit as any PM would be butbisnt good enough anyway.
Who is on either front bench?
I can just about think of 2
The world remains overwhelmed with debt. No easy solutions. Hence populist clap trap wins the day with Trump being the most appalling example
Can we have a coalition of national unity please? All major parties, sort out Brexit one way or another. And sack BoJo now.
Hence populist clap trap wins the day
The trouble with populist claptrap is that when people see FTSE chief execs, hospital bosses, university vice chancellors etc all handing themselves huge salaries and bonuses for no perceived improvement in performance then they too will start to demand the same. It's all very well you guys in your elite ivory towers lecturing the proles about what's best for them, but restraint and realism needs to be lead from the top, and there's very little of that going on right now.
Absolutely clear where his heart and allegence lies. You can”t execute his agenda whilst
Well Corb's been going on and on about dialogue and governing by consensus, so his agenda will be to find a consensus, not push his own personal programme. Might be an alien concept to a Tory.
Is it worth pointing out that Corbyn is wrong about EU rules preventing nationalisation of industries?
Ok - dazh feed the “proles” snake oil and false dreams instead. Will they be better off?
If they “make America great” again then you might be correct. Over here it’s led us into Brexshit instead!!!
Things can only get better 😯
Ok - dazh feed the “proles” snake oil and false dreams instead. Will they be better off?
How dare the lower orders complain about the medicine they're getting.
So you don't agree there needs "restraint and realism ...to be lead from the top, and there's very little of that going on right now."
Their correct to complain for sure. But what they need is honesty not false promises
The trouble with populist claptrap
Is that it’s still claptrap - and a more devious form
teamhurtmore - Member
Their correct to complain for sure. But what they need is honesty not false promises
Yep, tories seem light on that...
How much will tuition fee's cost the tax payers? (assuming a large amount of loans are not repaid)
How much is Brexit likely to cost?
What are the chances of getting any of the things they want - well lets start with something more meaningful than the vague crap TM keeps repeating
Fair to piddling
Theresa May has admitted a change in her party's approach on tuition fees in England, saying she has listened to voters and fees will freeze at £9,250.
Fee repayment thresholds will also rise, so graduates will start paying back loans once they earn £25,000, rather than £21,000, the PM said.
She said the whole student finance system would be reviewed and did not rule out a move to a graduate tax.
Labour, which wants to scrap tuition fees, called the plan "desperate".
Seriously though an amazing bit of listening there
The planned £250 increase in tuition fees for 2018-19 to £9,500 will not go ahead and fees will instead remain at the current maximum of £9,250 per year.
So a saving on £750 or £1000 for anyone near the max, a massive step to hold back the cost from £27,000 to £26,000 for a 4 year course, I can see the 6th formers rushing out to endorse that one, that extra £1k will help nicely with cost of living increases. Again no real assessment of how much of this cash they expect to be paid back, it's hard to see what the real difference is in setting up a complex loan system or paying fee's. University education benefits the country debt laden 20 somethings don't.
The more interesting point - perhaps the only one - was the disappointment that the tertiary education sector has so far done little to respond in terms of changing types/lengths and structure of courses. They still hide behind the silly idea that there would be a “comprehensive”/ single price which is barking.
Still we may be heading back to the days of everyone funding the middle classes to further themselves 😉