Jeez it just goes to show how incompetent May is when a woman who lives in a 200+ bedroom house comes to show solidarity with people who were lucky just to loose their council flats
aaaaaaaand May still looks worse
[quote=igm ]To be fair people like Corbyn, Khan and Lizzie. The risk probably is higher for May.
Only because the public hate her more
I dont think she would actually be attacked in the physical sense but yes she would probably have faced some hostility as did the mayor.
the idea that it was fear for her safety rather a decision based on her unpopularity, whilst plausible, is just a red herring.
She wanted to avoid the bad press basically and perhaps her default setting is to just duck the tough scenarios as she barely engages with the public from a position of perceived strength.
I'm sure that if she had turned up, certain sectors of the community would just be rounding on that saying she was just doing it for PR, or that it was insensitive of her to speak to the survivors after being responsible for evil Tory cuts
Like Maggie Said - "If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim."
perhaps her default setting is to just duck the tough scenarios a
Iirc it was mentioned when she firrst became pm that her nickname was the submarine, due to her disappearing under the surface when the going gets tough.
perhaps her default setting is to just duck the tough scenarios
Since she was forced to sack her two script writers, I think she is struggling to communicate at any level.
Like Maggie Said
Quoting Fatcha?
Now you're really beginning to struggle......
What next?
Life hacks from Pinochet??
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aaaaaaaand May still looks worse
This....
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/they-might-have-upset-me-says-may-20170616129681 ]the mash goes close to the bone[/url]
outofbreath - Member
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40300369
She spent "almost an hour" at the hospital. Well I take back everything I said now....
[cynical] probably part of the Maybot rebranding [cynical]
She spent "almost an hour" at the hospital.
Anyone?
I try to go through life giving people the benefit of doubt. Loathing people is actually hard work.
That said,I cannot stand even the sight of that grey apparition of a "woman" on TV.
Haven't the poor buggers suffered enough.She spent "almost an hour" at the hospital.
looking more and more like shes going to get pushed out.
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the only thing saving her is no one else wants the job at this time
Nor a G.E
I am slightly perplexed.
What would TM quitting help for a right wing Tory perspective. They are getting the Brexit they want and will have a fantastic scapegoat. There is no one who wants the poisoned chalice and many of the front runners look ****less.
Also what would the right wing media pushing for this same deal have to gain. Much like everything else going on at the moment people seem to want something. They don't know what so any kind of action must be worth a shot...
This is a win win for everybody really.
May has to deal with the impending sh!tstorm of Brexit that nobody wants to deal with then she will undoubtedly have to resign or make way for another leader. She really has shown a complete lack of empathy and political awareness when tough questions have been asked. The sooner the better she's gone for me.
What's a 'stalking horse'?
person who stands to force a contest but with no real prospect of winning usually designed to force out a true candidate
Perhaps we should send a white van to Downing Street. With an advert on it inviting Teresa to phone a certain number if she wants to go home
http://mobile2.derbund.ch/articles/59442e3cab5c3744ba000001
A little hyperbolic in places, but if it's in any way indicative of how moderate Europeans view us currently...
THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE
[Translation by Paula Kirby]
If it weren't so serious, the situation in Great Britain would almost be comical. The country is being governed by a talking robot, nicknamed the Maybot, that somehow managed to visit the burned-out tower block in the west of London without speaking to a single survivor or voluntary helper. Negotiations for the country’s exit from the EU are due to begin on Monday, but no one has even a hint of a plan. The government is dependent on a small party that provides a cozy home for climate change deniers and creationists. Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary. What in the world has happened to this country?Two years ago David Cameron emerged from the parliamentary election as the shining victor. He had secured an absolute majority, and as a result it looked as if the career of this cheerful lightweight was headed for surprisingly dizzy heights. The economy was growing faster than in any other industrialised country in the world. Scottish independence and, with it, the break-up of the United Kingdom had been averted. For the first time since 1992, there was a Conservative majority in the House of Commons. Great Britain saw itself as a universally respected actor on the international stage. This was the starting point.
In order to get from this comfortable position to the chaos of the present in the shortest possible time, two things were necessary: first, the Conservative right wingers’ obsessive hatred of the EU, and second, Cameron’s irresponsibility in putting the whole future of the country on the line with his referendum, just to satisfy a few fanatics in his party. It is becoming ever clearer just how extraordinarily bad a decision that was. The fact that Great Britain has become the laughing stock of Europe is directly linked to its vote for Brexit.
The ones who will suffer most will be the British people, who were lied to by the Brexit campaign during the referendum and betrayed and treated like idiots by elements of their press. The shamelessness still knows no bounds: the Daily Express has asked in all seriousness whether the inferno in the tower block was due to the cladding having been designed to meet EU standards. It is a simple matter to discover that the answer to this question is No, but by failing to check it, the newspaper has planted the suspicion that the EU might be to blame for this too. As an aside: a country in which parts of the press are so demonstrably uninterested in truth and exploit a disaster like the fire in Grenfell Tower for their own tasteless ends has a very serious problem.
Already prices are rising in the shops, already inflation is on the up. Investors are holding back. Economic growth has slowed. And that’s before the Brexit negotiations have even begun. With her unnecessary general election, Prime Minister Theresa May has already squandered an eighth of the time available for them. How on earth an undertaking as complex as Brexit is supposed to be agreed in the time remaining is a mystery.
Great Britain will end up leaving its most important trading partner and will be left weaker in every respect. It would make economic sense to stay in the single market and the customs union, but that would mean being subject to regulations over which Britain no longer had any say. It would be better to have stayed in the EU in the first place. So the government now needs to develop a plan that is both politically acceptable and brings the fewest possible economic disadvantages. It’s a question of damage limitation, nothing more; yet even now there are still politicians strutting around Westminster smugly trumpeting that it will be the EU that comes off worst if it doesn’t toe the line.
The EU is going to be dealing with a government that has no idea what kind of Brexit it wants, led by an unrealistic politician whose days are numbered; and a party in which old trenches are being opened up again: moderate Tories are currently hoping to be able to bring about a softer exit after all, but the hardliners in the party – among them more than a few pigheadedly obstinate ideologues – are already threatening rebellion. An epic battle lies ahead, and it will paralyse the government.
EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said that he now expects the Brits to finally set out their position clearly, since he cannot negotiate with himself. The irony of this statement is that it would actually be in Britain’s best interests if he did just that. At least that way they’d have one representative on their side who grasps the scale of the task and is actually capable of securing a deal that will be fair to both sides. The Brits do not have a single negotiator of this stature in their ranks. And quite apart from the Brexit terms, both the debate and the referendum have proven to be toxic in ways that are now making themselves felt.
British society is now more divided than at any time since the English civil war in the 17th century, a fact that was demonstrated anew in the general election, in which a good 80% of the votes were cast for the two largest parties. Neither of these parties was offering a centrist programme: the election was a choice between the hard right and the hard left. The political centre has been abandoned, and that is never a good sign. In a country like Great Britain, that for so long had a reputation for pragmatism and rationality, it is grounds for real concern. The situation is getting decidedly out of hand.
After the loss of its empire, the United Kingdom sought a new place in the world. It finally found it, as a strong, awkward and influential part of a larger union: the EU. Now it has given up this place quite needlessly. The consequence, as is now becoming clear, is a veritable identity crisis from which it will take the country a very long time to recover.
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[url= http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/06/17/kaiser-chiefs-hurriedly-rerelease-i-predict-a-riot/ ]The (probably pretty accurate) view from Rochdale[/url]
I preferred this one Binners:
http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/06/16/we-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists/
Hard to argue with that colournoise, genuinely concerned what this country will look like for my kids
Agreed.
(Don't have kids, but teach enough of them to be concerned).
as a strong, awkward and influential part of a larger union: the EU. Now it has given up this place quite needlessly.
This is the thing for me: The whole Brexit thing is completely unnecessary. It's not as if the EU was holding this country back, it's not as if we were doing badly as part of the EU, quite the opposite. None of the things that people complain about will be solved by Brexit: Even if we reduce immigration, this is not the cause of our problems.
At a time when we should be focusing on improving this country and it's services, the next few years will now be dominated by the completely unnecessary Brexit negotiations, for what? To appease the RW media and the more extreme elements of the Tory party.
1/8th of the time for negotiating gone already! Let TM carry on for a bit longer, then another G.E and maybe it'll be too late for a settlement and we can forget it all.
We'd be better off with Noel Edmonds doing the negotiations. At least he has experience of making deals when time is short
I have a few issues with all this vitriol against tresemme.
1) She is actually a person and whether youre a Syrian refuge or the PM you shouldn't have to face hate.
2) I'm a lefty but they(blue) did get the most vote so if it ist TM then it'll be another one just the same and possibly worse.
3) She is (like it or not) our PM so undermining her hurts the people of the UK as much as it does her.
Lets have another election and get it right this time.
Lets have another election and get it right this time.
Best out of three, perhaps?
@colournoise I love articles like that just as I love it every time Guy Verhofstadt opens his mouth. It reminds me why Leave won.
@mikey after being left with a debilitating £90bn per anum deficit we continue to be correctly focused on the extra ordinarily difficult job of reigning in that un-sustainable level of spending.
@ctk well in your scenario we'd have an ultra hard WTO Brexit. If TM goes we'll have either David Davies or Boris Johnson leading the Conservatives and being Prime Minister. A speculative peice in the Telegragph suggests just that.
May, Davis or Johnson? Either way we are boned, the Robot, the Idiot or the Clown
Cfh... Best of 5 if it means not trashing the country !
I wouldn't trust DD or BJ to make me breakfast... If they manage to be in charge it's dark times ahead
@mikey after being left with a debilitating £90bn per anum deficit we continue to be correctly focused on the extra ordinarily difficult job of reigning in that un-sustainable level of spending.
A level of spending far below that of any other major economy who seem able to sustain it remarkably well
You'd prefer a soft brexit then Jamba? & agree that TM saying no deal is better than a bad deal was horseshit?
I wouldn't trust DD or BJ to make me breakfast...
How do you like your eggs hun? 🙂
@mikey after being left with a debilitating £90bn per anum deficit we continue to be correctly focused on the extra ordinarily difficult job of reigning in that un-sustainable level of spending.
A level of spending far below that of any other major economy who seem able to sustain it remarkably well
We can have as much poverty and austerity as we want. Until as a society we stop pointing fingers and saying that one should pay (the 5%) and decide that 100% of us need to be responsible. Now there are many things that can be done to make things better but while people want to be the 5%er rather than a happy 95%er it is not so easy.
Trouble is we are conditioned to strive to be a higher earner or to "progress" so people don't want to limit their imaginary futures...
I would rather see the Norwegian system were all tax records are public. Social pressure then stops avoidance.
A level of spending far below that of any other major economy who seem able to sustain it remarkably well
I am confused TJ, the UK's spending is not "far below any other major economy"
We could spend more like France and have VAT on food, no zero rated for children's clothes etc, full vat on gas and electric, much higher personal taxes accross the board. All this an Macron has to implement €50billion of budget cuts as France's debt / gdp is close to the li it set by the ECB. They have 10% general unemployment and 25% amongst the young. The Hollande govt asked hospitals to postpone all non urgent surgery this winter, sound familiar ?
Best of five ... fiveeeee thousssand that is ... 😆 (just like in the movie Spaceball)CaptainFlashheart - Member
Best out of three, perhaps?Lets have another election and get it right this time.
Should just have a vote every 3 months? 😆
TJ total govt spending is about £750 billion per anum. Thats a lot of money in anyone's book
jambalaya - Member
@colournoise I love articles like that just as I love it every time Guy Verhofstadt opens his mouth. It reminds me why Leave won.
Because you don't like foreigners?
[b]We love EU people just [u]Not the EU bureaucratic system[/u].[/b]teethgrinder - Member
Because you don't like foreigners?
How about this suggestion.
Dismantle the EU bureaucratic system first then everyone can sit down to decide who they want let in. EU bureaucratic system must be dismantled first. Win Win for everyone innit. 😈
[b]Which would you choose?
Q1. Dismantling the EU bureaucratic system?
Or
Q2. Letting EU/Non-EU people in?
You may only choose one. :P[/b]
[quote=wilburt ]3) She is (like it or not) our PM so undermining her hurts the people of the UK as much as it does her.
IMHO you're wrong - at least in the medium to long term, undermining Maybot benefits us all, since it will hasten the demise of the current Tory party.
[quote=jambalaya ]@colournoise I love articles like that just as I love it every time Guy Verhofstadt opens his mouth. It reminds me why Leave won.
By feeding the voters a load of completely unrealistic bullshit?
@ctk well in your scenario we'd have an ultra hard WTO Brexit.
In your not so humble opinion, because you'd prefer to ignore the other option, the only sane one.
If TM goes we'll have either David Davies or Boris Johnson leading the Conservatives and being Prime Minister.
DD, the man who encouraged TM to call an election? I can at least see some positives to BoJo being in charge - not least that he's even more bothered about his own interests than Maybot, but unlike her he's not afraid of making big decisions.
