[Closed] Should fatties be forced to diet?

Only if the take the internet of you first.

wire jaws is the future, I think the government should also tell us what clothes to wear and there should be knife and fork use classes at school.

But pies and cakes taste so good. And its not our fault, it's glandular. And the governments fault.

We force the anorexic to eat

I don't think we do.

Force feeding of anorexics is not done - it would be completely unethical and any medical bod doing so would be struck off.

Not forced no, but what we should do is make the weight allowance on planes a combination of person and baggage. That might make a few folk lay off the pies (not that I'm exactly a catwalk model mind you).

According to an article from the BMJ that I was reading today it is done. They do it via the sectioning them under the mental health act route.

Rubbish. Post a link. It would be unethical

I wonder who would be employed to police the diet?
Some sort of hi tech tagging system that goes off if fatty gets too close to the fridge maybe?
Or [s]smug[/s] thin people with cattle prods?

I'd be very surprised if we force feed anyone, unless they have been sectioned.

Edit: ahh you've added a bit about sectioning. If they are sectioned then they [i]could[/i] be force fed, but I don't think you'll find that this is particularly wide spread.

This is a rubbish troll compared with ton's recent efforts.

Must try harder 😉

http://jme.bmj.com/content/34/5/319.full not sure if you'll be able to access it though.

i have on my plate infront of me
1 chicken
1 portion of chips
1 can of marrowfat peas
5 slices of bread

nom nom nom nom

Petty minded fools like Goan like the idea of legislation to force other people to do what they would like, but refute the notion of a nanny state interferring in private life if it negatively affects them.

Stupidity. It's one of life's little mysteries.

I say yes, I'd love to watch it. It wouldn't kill them.

also like the combined baggage and weight thing about planes someone said, I've had to sit next to (and behind) fatties on planes, and they should have to book two seats!

blows kisses to ourcluelessfannyinthemiddle.

I can only get an abstract of that. It is about forcing obese to diet. Forcing obese to diet and forcing anorexics to eat are not the same ethically.

And there is the crux of the issue - why are they not the same ethically? They are both eating disorders that can cause premature death.

The fact that the link is to an article in the journal of medical ethics (not the bmj- if it was bmj I could read it) suggests to me that there was some debate on the subject, 2 years ago when that was published. Doesn't mean it's widespread practice.
Yes people can be force fed if under section as anorexia is a mental illness.
If you want to force fatties to diet you'd have to convince a psychiatrist that obesity is a mental illness. They won't treat borderline personality disorder as a mental illness so I doubt they'd want to start treating obesity.
Where's Thom Yorke when you need him, I'd like to hear his thoughts. 😉

blows kisses to ourcluelessfannyinthemiddle.

😀

Couldn't forcing people to diet be considered as torture? Tortute is definitely against peoples rights in this country.

I'm not saying it is torture and I don't really have an opinion on the whole debate!

I assume the OP wants to stop the obese eating so that they don't cost the NHS money through weight related health issues.I think this is a dangerous road to go down.

You could just as well say that people should be banned from mtbing since the NHS picks up the bill when we crash.

ac282 - i wouldn't try to make assumptions about any question that i have asked.

If some-one is sectioned and deemed to lack the capacity to make an informed choice then a Consultant and/or MDT may choose compulsary feeding.

Some published guidance:

[i]2.4 DOES SUCH TREATMENT INCLUDE THE AUTHORITY TO FEED THE
PATIENT COMPULSORILY?
2.4.1 At paragraph 16.5, the MHA 1983 Code of Practice indicates that Part IV of the
Act applies only to medical treatment formental disorder. Treatment for physical
conditions may only be given, therefore, if it is sufficiently connected to the
treatment for the patient’s mental disorder. While MHA 1983 clearly allows the
administration of medicines in the absence of consent as a treatment for mental
disorder, food has not usually been regarded as a ‘medicine’. However, the
House of Lords has ruled that feeding a patient by artificialmeansmay constitute
‘medical treatment’.7 It follows, and has been accepted by the Courts, that naso-gastric feeding may be a medical process, forming an integral part of the
treatment for anorexia nervosa –see Riverside Health NHS Trust v Fox8, where
the Judge observed “until there is steady weight gain no other treatment can be
offered for the respondent's mental condition so I hold that forced feeding if
needed will be medical treatment for the mental disorder”. A similar conclusion
was reached in the case of B v Croydon Health Authority,9 which adopted a wide
definition of ‘medical treatment’ within MHA 1983.[/i]

I think some of the blurring of the definitions of food and medicines comes from legal wranglings around withdrawal of treatment for those in PVS.

Oh yeah, the above is from the Mental Health Act Commission Guidence notes on treating Anorexia.

forcing them to diet and showing them cream pies is torture.... 🙂

Look fatties are big boned and its genetic to they cant help eating a big fryup for breakfast, and 6 muffins for coffee break and 5 big macs and a bucket of chicken for lunch, then 3 curries for dinner and then 10 bags of crisps while watching telly and 4 packets of bickies for supper washed down with a gallon of coke. So leave them alone.

On the other hand starve the fat ****ers!

Interesting. 2007 guidance from the MWC does allow force feeding for anorexics in danger of dying and refusing to consent to treatment. I cannot believe it has been allowed to stand. I find this guidance quite incredible and it clearly is in conflict with other significant precedents in law surrounding the ethics of forceable treatment.

It would appear that I was wrong

Edit : and slow.

I am absolutely shocked by that

Couldn't forcing people to diet be considered as torture? Tortute is definitely against peoples rights in this country.

Fly them to another one first then. 😉

I've known several cases of people with eating disorders being sectioned (the disorder would have to be life threatening in the first instance) - it's the term 'force feeding' that is both provocative and somewhat misleading - do you really think we have a team standing by with a big pie or something? And no, I'm not fat, I'm just festively plump.
Docrobster - do you know what the Thom Yorke lookie likey posted then removed over in the other forum? Sorry to sound like a big jessie, just dont want to be bummed then eaten by the frame mangling freakshow...

Back packing in Nepal a while back, I took a local bus from one town to another some hours away.
Next to me was a large Kiwi girl. She took up 2x Nepalese sized seats (petite to say the least), so she had to pay 2x the fare. Did she gripe about that?! 🙂

Isn't it a worse-case scenario on a Long Haul flight? Either you're hemmed in by the obese one(s) or in the proximity of the new born baby that actually resembles one gigantic set of screaming lungs.

There is one given about fatties: they've tried every diet know to Man and are at present struggling with one, don't you know!

And it's costing the NHS a fortune. All future projections for the UK are not encouraging.

Why else do you care what morbidly obese people do?

I certainly don't mind if some one wants to eat themselves into an early grave.

Steralise all throw backs, stop them breeding, this has a practical function and will clean some of the scum out of the gene pool. We might reduce the number of numpties posting stupid threads on here about people who don't comform to their ideal.

Not forced no, but what we should do is make the weight allowance on planes a combination of person and baggage.

A percentage of body fat over a healthy norm would be a better option. Otherwise Me and quite a few others on here would be scuppered, due to being +15st "fatties".

Maybe a better idea would be along side the hand luggage tester (the metal frame thingy you desperately jam your camelback into) to have a seat. One which if you cant fit your arse into you had to pay a surcharge. 😀

I wonder how morbidly obese people get life cover for mortgages - they must pay one hell of a premium or the policy is full of legal exclusions... But, in this day and age the PC people would be screaming blue murder if this suggestion were to be aired openly..

[b]"And no, I'm not fat, I'm just festively plump."[/b]

Can you clarify what this might actually mean?
Is this denial we're witnessing here on this forum?
A BMI of 25 - 29.9 = fat
A BMI figure of 30+ is obesity.

Unless you are disproportionately muscular, then it's a pretty good guide.

Peregrine: Have you looked into Eugenics of late? It's back in the news recently. Developed by Darwin's cousin no less.

Mitch, it was something along the lines of you like to get dressed up in uniform and then have sex play with your drugged and straight jacketed patients.
Harmless joshing really

A BMI of 25 - 29.9 = fat

Bugger 25.2!

Seems I am "fat" again. 😥

Goan,

how did you get on teaching the fatties to drive? Did you refuse to take their bookings? Charge them extra for increased wear and tear? Spend the whole lesson trying to refrain from vomitting at their presence in your car?
👿

Damn, my secret is out! So much awareness from one so (apparently) off his trolley...

I am not fatist.

[b]vinnyeh[/b] - I sense a little anger there!

I think from now on everyone should post there BMI before commenting, just so we know what perspective they are coming from. 😉

No - no anger at all.

BMI is 23 btw.

Damn you sir, I'm as sleek as a young gazelle! (providing said gazelle weighs about fifteen stone and lists 'sitting' as one of it's hobbies).

You think you have issues!

Try taking wedding pictures of the Modern Bride, or to be more accurate, the Modern Bridesmaid!

I once did a photo shoot in a Northern town (no names but Mitch knows!). The art director flew in from the States and he worked very closely with the Bay Watch TV cast and the California lifeguards on their books and publications.
In said northern town, the local council had asked for volunteers to be subjects for some publications on life saving, first aid and other related matters.
There were about 15 girls who turned up, in their swimming costumes for the audition. We had to let all but one girl go. HUGE!

So, yes, in my line of work, it does actually matter. It shouldn't, but it does.

It's a truism that the larger the lady, the more flesh will be on show.
BMI of 24.6