[i]I hope we are all eternally grateful that the Holy Church of British Heart Foundation has deemed us worthy to be permitted to partake of the red meat.
On second thoughts, stop nagging us and bossing us around about what we can and can't eat.[/i]
ffs.
Eah !, Eah !.
Calm down.
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Just wondered... how much meat / protein one ought to be aiming for and whether this varies with certain goals, etc.....
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Anyone know who funded the research? I believe a lot of studies are funded by companies with a vested interest in the outcome.
Hopk1ns - MemberAnyone know who funded the research? I believe a lot of studies are funded by companies with a vested interest in the outcome.
IanMunro - MemberLooking through the data it would appear that the people who eat the most meat also smoked the most.
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content-nw/full/archinternmed.2011.2287v1/IOI110027T1Also of interest is that the odds of High Cholesterol appear inversely proportional to the amount of meat eaten.
i believe it was the international spinach growers lobby 😕
i believe it was the international spinach growers lobby
In the pockets of Big Popeye, no doubt.
ffs.
How do you pronounce that?
Is it Welsh? It looks like it might be Welsh. What with no vowels in it.
Or it's one of the noises my 9-month-old makes. He's not Welsh.
He's not Welsh.
but what if he chooses to become 'Welsh' in the future.
you may think it's not natural and ungodly to be 'Welsh' but you should respect his decision nonetheless and offer him your support in his lifestyle choice.
[i]offer him your support in his lifestyle choice[/i]
But surely its not a [i][b]Lifestyle[/b] choice[/i].
Aren't they born that way, but just need to [i]come out[/i] ?.
On second thoughts, stop nagging us and bossing us around about what we can and can't eat.
Yeah, how dare they try and find out what's causing premature deaths! Saving lives?! Who the hell do they think they are?!
Yeh, these so-called 'experts' are brilliant aren't they...
Yes they are. If you were half as clever as them you'd realise that they aren't saying stuff like that. Have you ever read a scientific paper?
Oh and I love all these 'you'll die anyway' posters, like you're some kind of clever clogs who's just discovered some great truth that all these idiots don't know. When you reach 68 would you like to be told you have 2 years left or 20?
At the end of the day EVERYTHING kills you. Its as simple as that. The stuff that's enjoyable kills you faster
My lentil burger and green leaf salad with miso dressing is trying to kill me, are you sure fat boy 😉
Yeh, these so-called 'experts' are brilliant aren't they..
Aye there is not enough nonsensical irrate adiatribes from ill informed IT geeks on a forum. We need to do something about this and remake ignorance King, I thank you for your sterling efforts in re dressing the balance between wise and informerd and ignorant and angry
Yeah, how dare they try and find out what's causing [b]premature[/b] deaths!
When are you meant to die?
[i]Oh and I love all these 'you'll die anyway' posters, like you're some kind of clever clogs who's just discovered some great truth that all these idiots don't know. [b]When you reach 68 would you like to be told you have 2 years left or 20?[/b] [/i]
Luvin this ^^
[i]My lentil burger and green leaf salad with miso dressing is trying to kill me, are you sure fat boy[/i]
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[i]Aye there is not enough nonsensical irrate adiatribes from ill informed IT geeks on a forum. We need to do something about this and remake ignorance King, I thank you for your sterling efforts in re dressing the balance between wise and informerd and ignorant and angry [/i]
Read that twice.
I still can't understand a word.
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Yeah, how dare they try and find out what's causing premature deaths!
Problem is, there are so many different things that their research 'suggests' may cause premature death that it's impossible for anyone to remember what they all are, and if we could we'd become terminally paranoid about every little decision and eventually go insane trying to live up to their recommendations ... after a point I'm happy to live in ignorance and enjoy life rather than constantly worrying about a vast list of things that might one day kill me ...
[i]Problem is, there are so many different things that their research 'suggests' may cause premature death that it's impossible for anyone to remember what they all are, and if we could we'd become terminally paranoid about every little decision and eventually go insane trying to live up to their recommendations ... after a point I'm happy to live in ignorance and enjoy life rather than constantly worrying about a vast list of things that might one day kill me ... [/i]
Yes, not withstanding the little clocks on the ends of our chromosomes...
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Problem is, there are so many different things that their research 'suggests' may cause premature death that it's impossible for anyone to remember what they all are
That's why the scientists publish in scientific journals. It's the media that trawl the abstracts for stuff they can reprocess into crap stories, thereby causing untold damage to the cause of healthy eating and to the reputation of the scientific commnunity.
Bolx it is, aye. You're not supposed to read the articles and go "OMG I MUST STOP EATING MEAT COS THEY HAVE SAID SO!'. You're just being told that some scientists have found a correlation and that's a piece of information you may choose to use when deciding what to have for lunch, or you may not.
If red meat is so bad for you,why have I never seen a sickly looking Tiger?
[i]If red meat is so bad for you,why have I never seen a sickly looking Tiger[/i]
I love this.
Let me guess......... Err, um.
I've got it !.
Is it cos they don't smoke cigarettes ?.
Is it ok to have red meat with a class of wine, followed by dark chocolate? Aren't the latter supposed to reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease..?
[i]Is it ok to have red meat with a class of wine, followed by dark chocolate? Aren't the latter supposed to reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease..?[/i]
You can eat and drink those things if you wish.
And, you don't have to attend a class to do so.
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There's a lot of whining self-justification here. It's very simple: if you don't want to reduce your red meat consumption, then don't: nobody's going to make you.
monkeycmonkeydo - MemberIf red meat is so bad for you,why have I never seen a sickly looking Tiger?
i think its because frosties are fortified with cisplatin
oh and ransos is correct
[i]There's a lot of whining self-justification here. It's very simple: if you don't want to reduce your red meat consumption, then don't: nobody's going to make you.[/i]
Here, Here !.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head.
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I'd like to see the research factor in things like corn syrup and sugar - often what is eaten with meat can be worse than the meat. But if they don't look they don't find.
If red meat is so bad for you,why have I never seen a sickly looking Tiger?
Are you a tiger?
Problem is with research it tends to be narrow in scope so you can actually get some sort of quantifiable answer, even if it's in terms of probability.
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Red meat kills you,and too much chicken gives you man boobs,
Bet fastfood outlets are shitting it.
iDave - Member
I'd like to see the research factor in things like corn syrup and sugar - often what is eaten with meat can be worse than the meat. But if they don't look they don't find.
Here you go:
note - this caused quite a controversy
CaptJon - I posted that last week! Boils my piss.
Oh, i saw it on a blog by a guy who doesn't understand simple statistics:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
That was a good vid.
Cheers iDave.
I liked the phrase "[i]Like drinking a pizza[/i]" when referring to the salt content of some of those fizzy drinks.
They said adding an extra portion of unprocessed red meat to someone's daily diet would increase the risk of death by 13%
Wow - so my risk of death would then be 113%. That's bad.
Correlation, not causation. There doesn't appear to be a control group in this study. I CBA reading academic studies - has anybody here read the original paper rather than just the media reports of it? Did they do anything at all to try and determine whether what they were seeing was directly related to eating meat, or whether there were other lifestyle correlations related to eating red meat which might be risk factors?
I'm not about to dispute that red meat in excessive quantities is a health risk, but this study doesn't appear to have furthered the scientific proof of that one little bit.
I have nothing to add, other than that this thread is [i]fantastic[/i]
To be fair the nice lady on the radio yesterday did say that the research was based on a reply form and not someone measuring the actual amounts people ate through their lives. She also went on to say that people are notoriously bad at filling in these forms (how much do you tell the doc you drink?). If it weren't bad for you I think she'd be taking the findings with a pinch of salt.
Yeh, these so-called 'experts' are brilliant aren't they
Now it's another day..do you feel a bit silly coming out with that one?....
Funny how when a scientist tells you something like smoking kills - you would nod in violent agreement and look down on those who smoke, yet when they attack your precious red-meat you can just dismiss it out of hand! 🙄
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I reckon this dude only worried about red meat wrt how much of it he could get.
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onehundredthidiot - Member
To be fair the nice lady on the radio yesterday did say that the research was based on a reply form and not someone measuring the actual amounts people ate through their lives. She also went on to say that people are notoriously bad at filling in these forms (how much do you tell the doc you drink?). If it weren't bad for you I think she'd be taking the findings with a pinch of salt.
So you're saying people underestimated how much red meat they ate on the forms?
Video of doc explaining the report.
Anyone got a link to the article? I hate it when the BBC report a story like this, but don't include a link to the paper.
the article is linked to earlier in this thread certainly the data
its funny how people are happy to accept science that agrees nicely with their world outlook but one that tells them they eat to many Bacon butties and everyone is an armchair nutritionist / statistician
Found it - it is free so why can't the BBC link to it ffs?
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287
(based on impact factors, the journal is pretty highly ranked)
Yeh, these so-called 'experts' are brilliant aren't they
Now it's another day..do you feel a bit silly coming out with that one?....
Nah, don't be daft. I wasn't being much more than 50% serious, if that.
Carry on then, 😀 the research was apparently done with corn fed cattle from the USA rather than grass fed uk cattle anyway....
Funny how when a scientist tells you something like smoking kills - you would nod in violent agreement and look down on those who smoke, yet when they attack your precious red-meat you can just dismiss it out of hand!
Has it been dismissed out of hand? It may have been and I just didn't register those posts, but I haven't seen anyone disputing that eating too much red meat may be bad for you.
There's been a few people complaining that it's an associative rather than causal analysis, but that's somewhat a misunderstanding of the nature of a lot of research. However I do share a great deal of what I hope is healthy scepticism on diet related research. Cholesterol and fat consumption seems to have been a vast cock-up in the past for example.
How much UK cattle is grass fed?
How much UK cattle is grass fed?
38%, although this figure rises substantially if you include dairy cattle.
Allegedly..grass fed beef is lower in saturated fat and tastes a lot better..
