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He was merely commenting on the professional quality of the photograph, not the subject.
M'lud.
Seems fairly innocuous comment but the real issue is this
My partner gets messages asking if he wants a job at hedge funds, I get propositions from men asking me out
Right to the end for the punchline
[i]"He later complimented her stunning picture, so I do think his crime is provoked from Charlotte."
He added: "If a man wanted to approach a woman because he thinks her attractive at work or through LinkedIn, it doesn't make him sexist; it is just perfectly natural behaviour."[/i]
So she asked for it and it's ok behaviour for old blokes to dribble over young women at work. Nice.
He advises on technology intellectual property and [b]cyber-risk[/b] including drafting insurance wording and advising on the insurance implications of technology and/or IP rich transaction and projects.
Hoist by his own petard
Charlotte Proudman, Barrister and feminist legal activist, has an extremely impressive linkedin profile (the written bit).
[i]Seems fairly innocuous comment[/i]
Not really, it's completely inappropriate.
What a stupid and lecherous thing to do.
A video cassette recorder????
What were you thinking Alexander?! FFS she has a haircut like Cassandra from Fools & Horses circa 1990.
Gutted, the only comment I have had regarding my LinkedIn profile pic was from my boss.
Change the picture, you look like a criminal
Gutted, the only comment I have had regarding my LinkedIn profile pic was from my boss.
Change the picture, you look like a criminal
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Hand's up, who's social media pictures are deliberately picked to show you at your worst?
She didn't 'ask for it', but if we didn't want to be judged by appearances, why have a picture at all? My linked-in doesn't.
[i]She didn't 'ask for it', but if we didn't want to be judged by appearances, why have a picture at all? My linked-in doesn't.[/i]
Seriously?
Charlotte Proudman, Barrister and feminist legal activist
I think this should have been the first warning sign about why not to pay her a compliment.(edit - if this was what he thought he was doing)
I reckon he is off my list if I need a sharp legal team
His comment was ill judged (or he was on the wind up), considering the current climate and her activism but her reaction is laughable .
Strange that she goes to the bother of having perfect hair and makeup, and lighting which implies a fair bit of consideration as to how she will look in the photograph and then loses her shit when she gets complimented on it.
nah, that email is clearly what he thinks is smooth, but isn't and he's been called out for trying it on, slimy behaviour
Find myself agreeing with jimjam here.
Schoolboy stuff. Everyone knows that you should never EVER compliment a feminist on her looks. Basics.
Some people just can't take a compliment! Just waiting around looking for something to be offended by! Pathetic!
she reminds me of people on here looking for something to get angry about.. What a waste of key strokes she is.. I personally don't think she's done herself any favours at all, people will see her as argumentative and obstructive for the sake of personal views.
Photo looks a bit rubbish to me
And to a degree I agree with Jimjam
Reminds me of Goths in a way
His comment was ill judged, considering the current climate and her activism but her reaction is laughable .
This
He's a dinosaur and she's desperate to make a name for herself by taking public offense at anything going. One as bad as the other IMHO.
Move along, nothing to see here.
people will see her as argumentative and obstructive
She is a barrister - that's her job!
[i]Strange that she goes to the bother of having perfect hair and makeup, and lighting which implies a fair bit of consideration as to how she will look in the photograph..[/i]
and looks over her shoulder all doe eyed. ooh!
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Awks, as the yoof say.
Matthew Scott, a barrister and blogger, said: "I think we have to look how this developed... Charlotte sent him a message, asking him to connect so the initial contact was made by Charlotte.
Suggests he was being nothing more that charming and polite
I'd fully accept that if he had contacted her like that out of the blue, he'd be a letch, but I think as a reply to her contact it's totally different.
She needs to grow up. She should have realised that posting her picture on a site frequented by frustrated, wealthy alpha males who are accustomed to having things their own way would inevitably attract chancers and philanderers. You don't need a law degree to work that out.
She needs to grow up.
No, he does.
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They both do
What he said isn't right or acceptable. She's milked it for all it's worth. They're both dicks.
No, he does.
She goes off on one about a (positive) comment which is sexist, but arguably in a positive way (she didn't put that pic up thinking "no one will give me a job if I look good" and he responds with a spectacularly ill advised comment which nails the elephant I the room like an American dentist on holiday). She then responds by making his age an issue in a negative way.............
[i]She then responds by making his age an issue in a negative way...[/i]
Well I'd certainly expect similar if I went around leering over women 20 years younger than me! (Noticably 8) )
Id just been for a lunchtime out-gas and this was top of the feed
Gosh
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Learn to take a compliment, sugar tits
What Wrecked said. Neither of these people have enough to worry about in life if this is how they spend their time.
Neither have done well here. Only one of them will suffer a negative impact on their career.
It won't be him.
thisisnotaspoon have a think if it's something you would be comfortable typing in a message to a woman half your age. Surely at some point whilst typing the 'not politically correct' bit he must have thought 'oh hang on this sounds a bit off', maybe just keep it professional.
My thoughts are he was waiting for a reaction and I don't think he got the one he was hoping for.
That linkedin pic flatters her quite spectacularly. I wonder why she chose it?
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The newspaper cameraperson wasn't quite as kind.
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He's a dinosaur and she's desperate to make a name for herself by taking public offense at anything going.
About sums it up for me.
She's absolutely right, of course. It's a wholly inappropriate comment, and what's more he [i]knew[/i] it was wholly inappropriate, he says as much in the email. It's not about her not "taking a compliment," it's about him effusing about her bloody photograph - on [i]LinkedIn[/i] for gods' sake - and then mentioning an interest in her professional (presumably) skills almost as an afterthought in the closing sentence. She's right to be offended and unequivocally right in calling him on it. Good for her.
However. She then takes to Twitter ten minutes after emailing him to tell the world all about it (which I guess is forgiveable, arguably he deserved it) and [i]"she has contacted Brown Rudnick to complain and will also be referring the issue to the Solicitors Regulation Authority, as well as reporting to police subsequent Twitter trolling."[/i] Seriously, she thinks this is a measured and appropriate response to his stupid email? And now of course, she's on National radio, they're both all over the web, Twitter, Facebook, a popular mountain bike forum, and I'm suddenly struggling to give more of a shit about her than I do about Nicki Minaj's wax arse.
philxx1975 - MemberId just been for a lunchtime out-gas and this was top of the feed
Gosh
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She has seen an opportunity to make a name for herself and seized it. She says herself she had recieved similar comments, but when she noticed who he was she decided to crucify him.
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Two pints.
Spot on, Cougar! 🙂
That linkedin pic flatters her quite spectacularly... The newspaper cameraperson wasn't quite as kind.
The way she looks is wholly irrelevant, and that's kind of the point. Whether she looks like Angelina Jolie* or like she's been set on fire and put out with a cricket bat is neither here nor there. It's not a great leap to understand why a professional woman would want a professional "publicity" style photograph on a professional web site, is it? Here's a clue; it's not because she's got great tits.
(* - or Cassandra from Only Fools & Horses)
Oh yeah, and his non-apology [i]"my comment was aimed at the professional quality of the presentation"[/i] is clearly bollocks. I'd have a lot more sympathy for him in the ensuing public witch-hunt if he just went "yeah, sorry, I didn't think that through and it won't happen again." Nob.
[i]That linkedin pic flatters her quite spectacularly... The newspaper cameraperson wasn't quite as kind.[/i]
And why does that matter to you? How she presents herself may matter to her, it shouldn't to you.
Good on her.
The way she looks is wholly irrelevant, and that's kind of the point.
Of course, and I agree. She has still selected a photo which makes her look at her very best though, and if her looks are wholly irrelevant then why bother? I'm not in any way defending the blokes comments BTW. I just think she's as much an arsehole as he is.
And why does that matter to you?
It doesn't. As above, wondering why she chose that particular pic when it's not really representative of how she actually looks.
Publicizing this "in the name of feminism" is bollocks too. She's after some publicity for No 1.
[i]As above, wondering why she chose that particular pic when it's not really representative of how she actually looks.[/i]
She looks professional, approachable, friendly.
Knowing she's a feminist-activist-feminazi-whatever - he was quite clearly winding her up. Which makes her reaction even more amusing really.
And if he was using Linked In like Tinder, then she should have done the same and completely ignored him...
(Still think Matthew Scott needs a kick in the goolies for what he said though)
Gary_MShe looks professional, approachable, friendly.
What? Are you saying she's a whore? A woman you approach for friendly professional transactions. What makes you say she looks approachable? Your penis does. Doesn't it. You want to * her in the . How dare you.
Friendly? I'll bet you want to get "really friendly" don't you? Misogynist.
She looks professional, approachable, friendly.
Who says the camera never lies.
That grass and shrubbery on the other side of the railings could do with a bit of a tidy up. Dreadful photo composition having that small branch intruding top left!
*everyone* picks a photo they think presents them in the way they want to be perceived. It's not like there's hundreds of pictures of people with hangovers, bloodshot eyes and vomit stains down the front of their shirts on there?
as Gary_M says, she's trying to look professional etc not provoke a 'phwoaar' from all who visit the page.
As above, wondering why she chose that particular pic when it's not really representative of how she actually looks.
The same reason every self-important "executive" has done in the history of everything ever. You reckon Steve Jobs rocked up to Time magazine and said "can you make me look really shit please?" for their cover shot?
Linked in is all about professional publicity, and if you're in an important job (or at least, think you are) then you're going to want a professional photograph that makes you look your best. You reckon many barristers turn up to court being "representative of how they actually look" wearing a curry-stained tee-shirt and jeans with a hole in the arse?
It's really, really not a great leap to understand why she chose a flattering photo; it'd be harder to explain why anyone wouldn't. (Mine isn't particularly, it's just a random photo from Facebook, but then I'm not expecting to be approached with hedge fund opportunities in the immediate future.)
And anyway, how do you know her profile photo isn't actually fairly representative of how she looks most of the time, and the less-flattering one just caught her on a bad day? (Not that I can see a vast amount of difference between the two anyway, the first one is better lit and has her smiling rather than looking pissed off is all.)
philxx1975 - Member
Id just been for a lunchtime out-gas and this was top of the feed
WTF is a lunchtime out-gas? What sort of a workplace do you have if you have to schedule fart breaks?
I know some (usually older) guys who make comments like that in a completely innocent manner - not to say it's right in modern times - but I sometimes get complimented on how well I scrub up if i've bothered shaving / put contacts in / am wearing trousers / not stinking the office out in 2 day old cycling gear because there was nothing clean, you get the picture. Should I, invoking equality of the sexes & all that (as it should be), advertise my assailant's comments for the whole country to digest labelling her, rightly or wrongly, a filthy sexist trout who's only interested in my body because i'm obviously a damn hunkasaurus sex?
Also - if she's always being asked out by men on Linkedin - would it not have been more apt to give up transcripts of those obvious advances instead of going intercontinental on an old guy's slightly ambiguous comment (ok, he probably fancied her)?
What a storm in a (probable) B cup..
And anyway, how do you know her profile photo isn't actually fairly representative of how she looks most of the time, and the less-flattering one just caught her on a bad day?
yes we need more photos to make an informed decision. Someone should contact her and ask if she has any.
It's really, really not a great leap to understand why she chose a flattering photo; it'd be harder to explain why anyone wouldn't.
Absolutely, but you'd still want it to be sufficiently accurate that people would recognise you from it?
Hers isn't.
Anyways, it's gone on a bit of a tangent. He shouldn't have sleazed on her to start with. She shouldn't have gone to DEFCON 2.
He shouldn't have sleazed on her to start with. She shouldn't have gone to DEFCON 2.
Common sense has no place in this thread, sling your hook!
[i]Absolutely, but you'd still want it to be sufficiently accurate that people would recognise you from it?
Hers isn't.[/i]
How do you know it isn't?
Cougar sums it up, as well as the fact that it was probably the time of the month making her grumpy. Oh, and her washing machine was broken and waiting in for the engineer had meant she couldn't get the ingredients for her husband's tea.
you'd still want it to be sufficiently accurate that people would recognise you from it?
Hers isn't.
Well, a) it's pretty obviously the same person even to my slightly Aspie brain and b) why would that be important anyway? If you post an unnaturally flattering photo which doesn't look much like you really, WGAF? It's LinkedIn, not a dating site; a flattering photo is the online "networking" equivalent of exaggerating a bit on your CV.
And jesus, if you want to see disproportionately flattering photos, go look on Facebook at the profile of anyone who has more 'selfies' on their page than photos of friends.
as well as the fact that it was probably the time of the month making her grumpy.
You know, rather than the lame-ass apology that the smarmy shit came out with, he should've just replied "rag week is it, love?" I think the Internet would have *actually* broken.
a) it's pretty obviously the same person even to my slightly Aspie brain
Well mine must be even more dodgy. It's only the hairdo that looks similar to me.
And jesus, if you want to see disproportionately flattering photos, go look on Facebook
Or tinder? 😀
Linked in is all about professional publicity, and if you're in an important job (or at least, think you are) then you're going to want a professional photograph that makes you look your best. You reckon many barristers turn up to court being "representative of how they actually look" wearing a curry-stained tee-shirt and jeans with a hole in the arse?
Well, I stole a photo from Scotroutes blog. Christ knows what that says about me....
*worth pointing out it was actually me in the photo. And somehow it even manages to be relevant to my job.
Hmmm, must check to see what mums net says about this
[i]Well mine must be even more dodgy. It's only the hairdo that looks similar to me.[/i]
Various shots of her on google looking like the linkedin pic and not so like the linkedin pic. But all look broadly similar.
[url= http://http://yourbarristerboyfriend.tumblr.com/ ]Meanwhile, in the ruthlessly sexist world of the bar...[/url]
This blog is a minor obsession for a proportion of my barrister friends (half of whom also use grindr)
for someone who didn't want to be judged by the way she looked there's an awful lot of discussion about the way she looks.
I can't see why she did this. There's no real 'win' for her, only professional embarrassment at being in the tabloids and the possibility of some past indiscretion being dug up and aired in public.
Call him out fair enough but Twitter? Daft.
wwaswas - Memberfor someone who didn't want to be judged by the way she looked there's an awful lot of discussion about the way she looks.
I can't see why she did this. There's no real 'win' for her
Yesterday, none of us had ever heard of her. Today she's the most famous human rights feminazi lawyer in the UK. Even if people forget her name in six months or a year they'll still be able to google "linked in sexist lawyer" and her name will come up top. She'll be the go to lawyer for every frumpy, frigid closet lesbian in the country who wants to get rich quick because their boss's gaze lingered on them for a nano second too long as they bent over to pick up some staples #justjoking.
Either that or she'll be "I'm a Celebrity get me out of Here" eating kangaroo balls and crocodile dicks.
Well, it's certainly raised her professional profile. I'm sure that the folk who run law firms and may or may not be looking to employ her in future will take note of how she handles her interactions with others.
Stupid old bastard deserved an email slap-down, but a twitter and national press hammering, even after he'd apologised, might be stretching it a bit.
Presumably she wants him sacked, a la Tim Hunt.
thisisnotaspoon have a think if it's something you would be comfortable typing in a message to a woman half your age. Surely at some point whilst typing the 'not politically correct' bit he must have thought 'oh hang on this sounds a bit off', maybe just keep it professional.My thoughts are he was waiting for a reaction and I don't think he got the one he was hoping for.
Entirely, but she's gone down the pot calling the kettle black route with the insinuation that it would be better if he'd been half his age.
Looking at it the other way, she'd be even more annoyed if she'd been his age and he'd told her to do one because she didn't look good.
Whether you like it or not, looking good is an advantage. By picking a photo that makes you look good you're admitting this fact. Same way the managers here get their photo done professionally, everyone else get's them done on the webcam in the security office.
What he's done is stupidly mentioned the elephant in the room.
even after he'd apologised,
Sorry, I missed that. Where has he apologised?
Presumably she wants him sacked, a la Tim Hunt.
I can only assume that's the case given that she's complained to his company (who claim that they have apologised and that's the end of it, run along now dear) and the Regulatory Authority.
[i]the insinuation that it would be better if he'd been half his age.[/i]
Not sure how you get that from this
[i]"Think twice before sending another woman [half your age] such a sexist message."[/i]
s'only banter innit.
"Linked in is all about professional publicity, and if you're in an important job (or at least, think you are) then you're going to want a professional photograph that makes you look your best. You reckon many barristers turn up to court being "representative of how they actually look" wearing a curry-stained tee-shirt and jeans with a hole in the arse?"
Have you seen me in court hole in tunic shirt collar and tabs used all week cufflink used as collar stud.
In a profession that values judgement he has exposed himself to being made to look a dick.
In a profession aiming for inclusivity he has been sexist.
In a profession that values confidence and discretion she has publicised private correspondence .
in a profession that values technical precision she referenced the wrong legislation in her subsequent tweets.
In a profession that values integrity she was ageist when complaining of his sexism . Ageism is contrary to the same act that now deals with sexism.
Neither come out of this smelling of roses .
Her work when she is not on sabbatical is pretty niche and will no doubt not suffer from this.
Sorry, I missed that. Where has he apologised?
She said he had contacted her privately to apologise:
She said Mr Carter-Silk had since apologised in an email which said: "I sincerely regret my remarks have offended you and I offer you my apologies".
I suppose once she committed herself to the twitterstorm, accepting it and moving on would have made her a traitor to the cause.
Is she on tinder?
Secondly I wonder how many people have sent her a message saying "cor your fit" on LinkedIn.
I just can't get over a porcupine needing a lawyer.
I just can't get over a porcupine needing a lawyer.
It was a prickly situation.
Learn to take a compliment, sugar tits
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