[Closed] Sexism on STW (a goodbye and some thanks 🙂 )

it was my fault for playing in the " mens changing room"

that's disgusting and whoever posted that needs very abruptly bringing up to speed..

Binners - it's posts like that from c337 that help you decide who you don't want to meet. Useful IMO.
If I was a "stw burd" (or bloke) looking to meet people to ride with I'd be sure to check my list of back-door kickers and mannerless tits before making any plans

Sue please don't go. I love abit of banter but if it gets out of hand I'd also like to see it stopped.

Please stay and press report (and folks) on any comments.

Then any deemed sexist - mods could you impose a lengthy ban?

I wasn't on the forum last night, I was watching the Shining on DVD 😀

I'd love to provide some opinion but I'm drafting a letter to Points Of View about an appalling TV programme I chose to watch...

I'd like to point out that this is an open forum that greets and welcomes people from all walks of life all over the world.

Many, Many different types of people frequent this forum and I think the Mods do an amazing job of swimming against the tide. You can't stop it all and I think the mods do a much better job than many other forums out there on the tinterweb.

Lets not lose the big picture here. The MAJORITY of the people on here are good people. Even some of the "Big Hitters" that annoy me at times have been the same ones that have been more than obliging when I have asked for help on onething or other.

I think we all need to be slightly tollerant on here and accept that nothing is perfect (EDIT: Except TJ of course)

I would think, at least compared to the national average, that people on here are above average intelligence

The mods on here are also fairly strict

Surely the real world is a much less tolerant place

I think we all need to be slightly [b]tollerant[/b] on here and accept that nothing is perfect

It's 'tolerant' by the way...

Binners - well said indeed.

Boring you am I? Frightfully sorry.

Of course, your witty repartee and dazzling intellect are greatly enhancing the enjoyment of the forum for everyone. Are we meant to be grateful? In that case. Thanks very much for your contribution

Why the misogyny though. Did mummy not love you enough? Or is it the constant female rejection? Combination of the two perhaps?

Shame that people feel that they have to leave. But I still think this is one of the best behaved forums on the web. Especially given the volume of users.

I've met some really nice people from STW. Some have had a real hard time in real life. I've also met (a minority) a few that seem to have social skills issues.

pathetic men flocking towards a woman's defense (especially when they are out of order)? is that not sexist? Hmmmm.... 😕

I wouldn't worry boys, there will be others along soon enough for you to pander to

Lol thanks for making me smile Flange

TandemJeremy - Member
carbon337

~a classic example of the sort of post that people dislike.

I agree with TJ.

No, really.

Carbons post appears to have disappeared - does that mean he is banned 🙂

Edit - woppit 😯

There was a hottie on one of the boggys Hebden Bridge rides. Am I allowed to say that? 🙂

You might have a point - some of it is pretty horrid, but how do you cope in life outside of STW where simply withdrawing your participation isn't an option?

I don't really get involved with the sexism on here, it's a bit horrible at times. But often it's nothing more than banter and I have to say that it's a hundred times less coarse and less invasive than real life so I'd agree, I've no idea how you survive in the ouside world if STW gets you down. I don't mind a bit of objectification on either side so long as people remember there's a person and more to that person involved. Unfortunately some people take offence and assume that any sort of appreciation of appearance as assuming the person has no appreciation of any other part of the person.

Shame.

Furthermore, I am P1SSED OFF that emsz is leaving.

REALLY. 👿

Don't let the, juvenile, buggers get you down. There's [s]plenty[/s] a few good people here. 😛

Emsz, going too? NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

A few good people and getting less, maybe it's the right decision after all.

Well said GW

GW makes a good point. If this had been one of the guys "signing off" we would have had multiple Flouncer-One-Niner posts already.

(i hope CG doesnt mind me bringing it up cos it always brings a smile to my face when i read CG's posts having met her several times in real life... knowing people in real life makes their forum contributions much more interesting personally)

but should CG saying jenson button is fit be just as frowned upon as a bloke saying they find a female celeb attractive? i know i've banged on about thinking natalie portman is stunning loadsa times but hopefully i've never overstepped the mark into 'backdoor' territory like some users.

Come now Phil - this can get taken two ways! I didn't start a thread saying that, it just got mentioned on a shaving thread and I didn't expand on it. Or ... perhaps you think an old girl shouldn't be thinking inappropriate thoughts? 😉

I don't get offended by anything on here. I find some posts funny and some shit but I honestly don't remember ever feeling that one was offensive. Trouble is I'm a white middle aged agnostic middle-class bloke (GSOH, own teeth (largely) 😉 ) with a dangerously mainstream sexuality and I struggle with other people's perspectives. After all, I don't get all cross about the tubby 45 yr old comments.

This whole place is not to be taken seriously IMO

... but, c'mon GW, a sensitive soul like you must be able to empathise with the girls ??

serious question:

am i allowed to talk about deadly, yeti and b'mitch in a sexual fashion?

i refer to most of my male friends in sexual terms or terms of endearment usually used when referring to a loved one, as they do to me. its reminds us we love each other but without looking deep into each others eyes and saying i love you suggesting a deep level not quite approprirate for the friendship

i hope Sue and Emsz dont leave forever and they return promptly with a heavy 'report button' addiction 😀

EDIT - CG you know what i mean 😛 its more referring to the casual comments that are innocent and without malice, but could easily be taken the wrong way if one was feeling overly sensitive at the time. looking for a bit of clarification that its ok to say someone's attractive but not take it to the point of suggesting sexual things you'd do to them.

GW - i think you'll find that the girlies can stand up for themselves. Have even be known to fix a puncture too. 🙄

I'm not totally sure how I feel about this, largely becuase I didn't see the thread, but some randomn thoughts that spring to mind are ....

It’s an internet forum. 90% of what is on here is not representative of the people behind the key boards that post it.

Try googling big hitters and click on images …. the first couple of lines should show you that what you see on here simply reflects society at large.

Whilst I do sympathise and will miss Sue and Emsz, I can’t wonder how female sufferage and race relations would have got on if Emily Pankhurst, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela et al had taken the same attitude.

Truthfully, its much better to challenge these sort of behaviours than it is to walk away and ignore it, albeit I fully understand that it might not be everyone’s cup of tea to do that.

Credit to TJ who is one of the few that always does.

In addition to the above guidelines we have a limited number of hard and fast rules that you should familiarise yourself with before posting on any of our forums.

* No posts of a sexual nature, including images of a sexual nature or intended to provoke a sexual response.
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* No posts which, in the Moderators opinion, are likely to cause offence to either an individual, or group, whatever their gender, sexual inclination or ethnicity.
* No posts, including links to other sites that are deemed to be of a sexual or distasteful nature, incite racial or sexist behaviour or are in any way discriminatory and/or offensive towards individuals or minority groups.

Hopefully one day TJ and ElfBoy will throw down an ultimatum

If you really can't see that "I'd bang her back doors in" is not acceptable banter, then there's no hope for you. You wouldn't talk like that in front of a female acquaintance in real life, so don't do it here.

Mr Woppit - Member

thegman67 - Member
Cos she will stop taking it up the arse

"Because after years of rejection, I still haven't grown up enough to understand what the point of marriage is..."

Ladies (if there's any left) and gentlemen of the jury - my case.

Erm... blinkinek. Glad I was driving back from UooopNorth last night rather than on here.

T'is a broad Church this, I type in a broad Church, I read in a broad Church, I contribute to a broad Church.

Takes all sorts this broad Church.

Shame Sue and now emzs are off for a wander around, but once they've played off piste they'll be back I hope, seems a shame to miss out though.

You wouldn't talk like that in front of a female acquaintance in real life, so don't do it here.

And you know this how?

Credit to TJ who is one of the few that always does.

😆

And you know this how?

You could be right. Maybe these people are as offensive in real life as they are on here. But I doubt it.

Shame some people are leaving if they find the forum useful for other reasons, personally I' think I'd choose to ignore the muppets here but not coming from any group that gets abuse that I'm aware of (although I do ride a road bike and don't own a SS...) that's probably easier said than done.

I'd happily see the banning of gratuitous image threads etc. to as I only read the forums at work in an open plan office so don't really want that plastered all over my monitor :p

Sue seems to be very fragile and intolerant, different strokes and all that

Sexism on STW? I think we should get the opinion of the female Mods.

carbon337 - Member

oh well run along then, enjoy your break, dont hurry back.

Can we have some more Jessica Ennis threads now that these two have gone?

No 'cause I'm still here to pull you up on it. I'm not a girly-girl and rarely take offence, but am totally fed up with seeing mtbking ladies, and their input, disappear from forums because of idiots. If you want to be offensive, drool over women and generally behave like a caveman, then may I direct you to to google....I'm sure it wont take you long to find what you are looking for.

Leave the mountain bike forums as a welcoming place for all.

Sue and Emsz -sorry to hear you two are going, but, if you read this, I really think you should reconsider. Seriously, don't back down to the sexist idiots. Is it really better to walk away rather than stay somewhere where, overall, you are both respected and liked?

And you know this how?

Oh you're socially inept in real life as well as on the internet? That's a shame for you.

Well joao3v16 - normally I don't rise to it. But this is my first full day as a non-smoker so quite frankly, anyone's fair game at the moment

My normal light, airy, freewheeling nature (think Bodyform ad) is a little lightly frayed

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/iran-better-not-f*ck-me-around-today%2c-warns-cigarette%11free-obama-201111024493/ ]An insight for you into my present mindset[/url]

Actually I stand by everything I said. He's a tool! Its that simple. I was merely pointing it out

cinnamon_girl - Member

GW - i think you'll find that the girlies can stand up for themselves. Have even be known to fix a puncture too.

*hope I didn't help too much 😉

Please don't go, we'll eat you up, we love you so, and Max said NO! 🙂

binners - Member

Well normally I don't rise to it. But this is my first full day as a non-smoker so quite frankly, anyone's fair game at the moment

I noticed

*Cringes away from the big scary man*

I'm not defending sexism or anything else negative but a bit of perspective is needed - it is after all just a internet forum and shouldnt be take too seriously (and as forums go it is pretty genteel and well moderated - banter amongst friends in "real life" is much worse than the banter amongst posters on here!)

T'is a broad Church this, I type in a broad Church, I read in a broad Church, I contribute to a broad Church.

But that's the trouble.. all the broads are leaving the church.

banter amongst friends in "real life" is much worse than the banter amongst posters on here!)

Aye but the thing lots of people seem to forget is they are not with their mates in the pub, they are broadcasting to everyone and anyone.

This place makes my arse laugh, you couldn't invent it.

Oh you're socially inept in real life as well as on the internet? That's a shame for you.

Wasn't me who said it, calm down treacle 😉

I was just about to say the exact same thing Legspin, word for word 😆

Well I don't come on here so often any more (never posted that much in the first place tho) as I find it quite sexist (among other reasons).

Didn't see thread in question though I did see one where Sue got a VERY different response to asking if anyone fancied a beer than if a bloke had asked...

And I doubt Emmeline Pankhurst et al, if around today could be arsed with the likes of singletrackworld - as Sue says, she comes/came on here for fun - as she's not finding it fun any more she's leaving - who wants to have to come on a forum (which as you all validly say is just for fun, etc, etc) all the time and either put up with vile sexism or have to fight your corner by objecting to it all the time?

A laughing arse !

If only I could invent that, I'd be rich and famous for sure 🙁

Re. tools such as carbon337: "not responding makes the accuser look pathetic"

I.e. rather than taking issue with their ignorant posts and starting an arguement, they'd probably give up pretty quickly if we all just ignored them and continued the thread as if they didn't exist.

Giving them any kind of attention just encourages them.

Like the annoying kid at school: ignore them and they'll eventually get bored and leave of their own accord.

i'd have a lot more sympathy for the OP if she'd stated she'd repeatedly reported posts she found offensive to the mods, but that they'd rejected the complaint, particularly if these were of the KTBDI nature.
the button is there.
use it if you don't like what people are saying, or stand up for yourself, or ignore it, or go and do something less boring instead.
this thread is a bit 'look at me', IMO, i'm afraid. it's not like you're trying to chnage anything, otherwise you'd stick around to see if anything did change.
all the best.

Personally I find this kind of direct personal insult far more offensive than sexist comments ...

Oh come on, he was actively fishing for it!

vile sexism

Oh dear GW and enfht, you pair do have the 'a**e' part of the equation down to a tee, but the 'smart' is rather elusive for you isnt it

this thread is a bit 'look at me', IMO, i'm afraid

+1

Also a bit "look at me protecting the poor defensless woman"

I think I'm with you on the [i]vile sexism[/i] scardeypants, I much prefer a more positive approach to sexism, by all involved.

"Aye but the thing lots of people seem to forget is they are not with their mates in the pub, they are broadcasting to everyone and anyone."

Exactly. So carrying on when you've been asked to stop is plain bad manners.

Oh sugdnr what's the view like from up there?

vile sexism

I do wonder if I'm just not reading the right (wrong) threads, but I really don't think this place is [i]that[/i] bad.

In fact, I think generally speaking it is relatively tame. And I consider myself a fairly sensitive flower.

However, if I've ever posted* anything that anyone regards as "vile sexism" then I humbly apologise as that is not me, and not how I'd like others to see me.

*(I confess I did contribute to the recent marriage thread).

Sorry to see you go Sue. If you're in Bath and fancy a ride you'd be more than welcome to join us 🙂

Which I guess is kind of the point, our group, in fact all of the groups I've ridden with, include a mix of men and women and IME are all the better for it.

I think the most regular of the regulars ruin the forum myself. There must be some sort of correlation between people who develop over-use behavior of internet forums, and personality disorders 🙁 .

Why do I use it? Can't remember to be honest, probably habit.

So carrying on when you've been asked to stop is plain bad manners

+1

There are some things that are considered the norm or take for granted in real life that would do well to be applied in the world of interwebs fori too ...

enfit - why on earth do you say that.

i see neither of those things. I see someone who is fed up leaving and letting rip at why and I see people agreeing with her.

I see no one doing a "protecting the poor defensless woman" could you point it out to me?

or is it your usual made up stuff invented to fit your odd world view ?

One day STW will disappear up its own (laughing) ass

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I'm not a "big hitter", nor do I converse directly with Sue or Emsz particularly often, but it's a shame to see any section of the demographic chased away by the unthinking tittery of a minority.

For what it's worth, I don't think most of the sexism, or even the other forms of offense, are actually deliberate or targeted. You get the odd personal spat (see Binners and C337 above) but the majority of the grief seems to be purely failure to engage brain before typing.

Here's a thought: Consider what you wish to express. Consider who will potentially be reading it. Consider if those audience members may take offence, bearing in mind that those audience members [i]are not you [/i]. If you consider that they might, how about considering either rephrasing your statement to minimise that risk or just not saying it at all. The above thought process would NOT make things "boring" or "sanitised" - a rational, sensible, intelligent human being can express and consider opposing opinions without resorting to lowest-common-denominator tit-for-tat twonkery.

I saw a t-shirt I liked the other day. It read "BANTER: Because we needed a shorter way to say "acting like a t**t" "...

sugdenr - Member
I didnt see the thread, I dont know you and it isnt any of my business, but i dont agree with your decision.

By doing this you are letting the purile and the ignorant carry on in the beleif that they are not accountable for their stupidity.

When the French voters became apathetic in the early millenium Le Pen gained a (thankfully short) foothold.

You need to stay and instead make a huge song and dance the moment you see any of that nonsense raising its ugly head and the rest of us must rally behind you.

Totally agreed

I typically think through what I’m saying and try not to offend people. On the rare occasions that I [b]am[/b] offensive, it’s entirely intended, but never on the basis of race or gender.

How blokey can people be? Well, if I make a comment that would offend my (broad-minded) sister, then I’d have gone too far on the sexism scale. The boundaries may be ill-defined, but deep down we all know what is or is not acceptable.

Sad to see you go, Emsz and Sue – Emsz in particular seems to have been quite a calming influence on some of the threads, which I welcomed.

TJ you drive more forum users away than anyone else with the exception of ElfBoy

Oh dear GW and enfht, you pair do have the 'a**e' part of the equation down to a tee, but the 'smart' is rather elusive for you isnt it

Those two are on my list of posters that most often make my eyes roll - and not in a good way. But getting multiple sides to any argument is one of the good things about this place.

I have to say, I am *loving* the way some are saying the sexism is of course our fault, cos we asked for it, and should just keep quiet and get on with it. How apt.

I saw a t-shirt I liked the other day. It read "BANTER: Because we needed a shorter way to say "acting like a t**t" "...

I just like acting like a t**t.

Banter is hard to "do" on the internet though. Pisstaking and caricaturing people and opinions is part of it in "person" though and so that's how I interpret a lot of the stuff on here (maybe, just maybe, even c337)

For example, Monkfish on the fast show. Offend anyone ?

edited

It's all getting a bit....

Those two are on my list of posters that most often make my eyes roll.

I am too. Please tell me I am.

Oh and phillywilly, you can always refer to me in a sexual manner. Because I loikes it. 🙂

A few people saying the sexism on here isn't bad, they all seem to be blokes (difficult to be sure) on the other hand 2 women are leaving our little group because they believe STW is quite sexist, hmm who to believe on how much offence is being caused to the women of the forum. It's a conundrum right enough.

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