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I had my first commute to work this morning for nearly two weeks holiday/sickness. I travel from Notts. to Derby along the A52 but sometimes cut down onto M1/A50 - which is what I did this morning.
The slip road onto the M1 southbound at junction 25 has two lanes onto it from the roundabout but filters down to one lane before joining the main M1 carriageway.
So this morning I was in the outside lane in my VW transporter and filtered into the inside lane in turn maybe 20 metres before the end of the filter. The car that was behind me (Mondeo or similar) in the outside lane then accelerate forward and just decided it was going to try to force its way in front of me by just angling across without indicating. There was hardly any gap so clearly he couldn't do this without me braking to leave a gap - something I was significantly distant from being prepared to do due to the driver's inconsiderate approach to the filtering system.
Cue eventually he has to concede and I get 20 seconds off his horn which I laugh at. Then he accelerates onto the main carriageway so he can pull alongside and perform some form of gesticulations to which I may have replied with my own "shake your coffee beans mate", still laughing. He doesn't seem to like this response so pulls across the front of me and slams his brakes on to the extent that there could easily have been a collision that would 100% have been caught on roadworks cameras and been his fault.
The weirdest thing about it? This is a 50 something little bloke in the car with what were probably his wife and grown up daughters.
Honestly, what goes through people's minds? Do we just have to accept that some people are complete *****s and there will never be any rhyme or reason as to how they behave? How do you get the mentality that you can just drive your car wherever you want and other people have to give way, then get furious when that doesn't happen for you? What's the logic?
I know some people will say life's too short and just let them do what they want, but that just allows and in fact encourages the perpetuation of bad behaviour.
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/who-on-here-pulled-the-biggest-troll-of-all-history
You'll never get into the record books that way!
I suspect you already know which way this thread is going to go
edit: as alluded to by scotroutes
Shirely if you'd just have accepted he was a dick, let him do whatever dickish things he was going to do, you could have avoided all of that?
He has every right to drive to the end of the filter lane before indicating. You chose not to.
before indicating.
OP reading fail.
enfht - MemberHe has every right to drive to the end of the filter lane before indicating. You chose not to.
That's another debate (having an alleged right is not the same as what is reasonable/keeps the flow going)......but regardless, he doesn't have the right to merge inconsiderately/dangerously then become indignant when the world doesn't just give way to him en-mass.
Some people are just ****s and apparently being in a car multiplies this as they feel invincible...
Was just driving down a dual carriageway about 1/2 from a round about both lanes can go right and there is a slip lane off to go left, travelling in the left lane at 40mph or so right lane is stationary the car in front of me decides it needs to be in the right late (despite being able to turn right from the lane it is in) slams on and comes to a stop still 1/4 miles from the roundabout... after being stationary for a minute the other lane moves enough for them to get over so I carry on then just as get moving again a car flashes its indicator once whilst simultaneously pulling out in front of me... so its now in front of me doing about 2mph I had to full on emergency brake (ABS and everything) to pull up about 2ft of their bumper! all so they can get in the left lane and not use the sliplane and go the same way they could of from the other lane!
Glad my car has decent tyres and brakes...
there are the 'rules' in black and white and then there's the rules applied with common sense sort of folk in all walks of life.
van driver overtaken by car driver who then brakes in front of him entering motorway.
END OF STORY, MOVE ALONG PLEASE.
wiggles - Member
Some people are just **** and apparently being in a car multiplies this as they feel invincible...
That's the thing......when he was then behind me in the single lane, I could quite easily have got out of the van and walked to his car to question his actions...hence I don't understand the logic/mentality of the indignation.
Ok, you've had a cheeky go at "pushing in", it didn't work this time...move along....no need to react as if someone's stolen your pint and downed it in front of you.
project - Member
van driver overtaken by car driver who then brakes in front of him entering motorway.
END OF STORY, MOVE ALONG PLEASE.
4/10 for reading comprehension skills.
If they are being a prat, ignore them.
Get a cam and send footage to the police.
Ignore them.
Obviously nuts if using car as a weapon.
Also If I may add a controverial view as a 20 something year old with a "sports" car most of my close calls with crappy driving are by middle aged people in family type cars and they also seem to be a the most angry and seem to automatically blame me because of my age
He's probably rushing to work to get money to buy the latest shiny thing to chase happiness/show everyone how important he is,while silently dying inside,happy new year 😀
crappy driving are by middle aged people in family type cars and they also seem to be a the most angry
angry zafira man!
Most of the road rage incidents I have been in when riding my bike seem to be folk doing the school run. Men or women seems to make no odds. I guess its all about stress
the lesser spotted notorious northern Pickering per chance
the lesser spotted notorious northern Pickering per chance
Who? 😀 😆
. Men or women seems to make no odds
especially when they have kids in the car too...
Yeah gender doesnt seem to matter... I just dont get it, when I have the kids in the car I am if anything more risk adverse not taking stupid risks to get one place ahead in stationary traffic
I don't think roadworks cameras have that capability.He doesn't seem to like this response so pulls across the front of me and slams his brakes on to the extent that there could easily have been a collision that would 100% have been caught on roadworks cameras and been his fault.
Meanwhile who says [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42789278 ]the police don't have a sense of humour[/url]? Just a brilliant tweet.
Do we just have to accept that some people are complete *****s and there will never be any rhyme or reason as to how they behave?
Er, that is about the way of it yep.
Honestly, what goes through people's minds? Do we just have to accept that some people are complete *****s and there will never be any rhyme or reason as to how they behave? How do you get the mentality that you can just drive your car wherever you want and other people have to give way, then get furious when that doesn't happen for you? What's the logic?
I encounter this kind of driving so often that it has just become the norm for me now - so I just accept it.
It's a rare, pleasant surprise to encounter a considerate motorist - few and far between nowadays, unfortunately.
Sounds like the OP is an inconsiderate and belligerent trouser. So the dude tried to 'push in', let him, it costs you literally nothing.
giantalkali - Member
Sounds like the OP is an inconsiderate and belligerent trouser. So the dude tried to 'push in', let him, it costs you literally nothing.
It does cost something. It slows the whole system of merging down if everyone forces their way in at the restriction. It permits and perpetuates the type of poor, inconsiderate road behaviour that causes accidents. The same attitude in another situation leads to the three lane death manoeuvres where people leave it to the last minute to force-exit onto a slip road. The same behaviour in another situation is the car that overtakes a cyclist at close range then immediately brakes and turns across them.
If I had to drive a Zafira I’d be angry
There is a fine balance between just letting people act like dicks, and getting pushed around. The dick might think twice about it next time if challenged. Resorting to insults and hand gestures is just descending to their level though. So many people drive like dicks it’s impossible to rely on their version of events when they think they are in the right.
angeldust - Member
There is a fine balance between just letting people act like dicks, and getting pushed around. The dick might think twice about it next time if challenged. Resorting to insults and hand gestures is just descending to their level though. So many people drive like dicks it’s impossible to rely on their version of events when they think they are in the right.
I guess that's part of my question....in what frame of logic could someone think that trying to force their way (remember - not moving and indicating but accelerating one vehicle, pulling across and "bullying") in was "right" behaviour?
Do we just have to accept that some people are complete *****s
Yes.
Doesn’t stop you administering some hurt if sufficiently provoked, though.
TLDR
You should have let him in rather than being a smug dick
Yiman, there is very little point in posting this sort of thread on here, unless you are trolling. Half the people on here are bellends, and will disagree with you in principle because they are bitter twonks, and the other half will deliberately wind you up for their own amusement, regardless if they agree or not 😀 :roll:.
Don't you just wish the hazard warning switch launched appropriate twunt hunting eradication devices.
Seriously, it does make you scratch your head when some bell-end thinks it is clever to break the speed limit simply to, without any indicators (unless they realise they have been a bit foolish and need to legitimise the move), overtake and 'nip' in front causing much braking by those they have just overtaken. Probably cheats at everything they do.
yiman - MemberThis is a 50 something little bloke in the car with what were probably his wife and grown up daughters.
Honestly, what goes through people's minds?
I think your answer may lie here. Long journey on busy roads with a car full of [s]women[/s] back-seat drivers, and family at that..? Give the man a break, he probably needs it....
I really can't work out why some folk leave the house in the morning....
I was in my VW transporter
Let me guess
Mid forties?
Shoulder length hair?
Oakley "shades"?
Rab gilet?
Some people have it all.
I imagine Mondeo-man was just a jealous beta male.
davidtaylforth - MemberI was in my VW transporter
Let me guess
Mid forties?
Shoulder length hair?
Oakley "shades"?
Rab gilet?
Some people have it all.
I imagine Mondeo-man was just a jealous beta male.
1/4 but you might have a point. 🙂
Always amazes me how many people think they are entitled to police others behaviour on the road. Unless you have blue lights and a police badge you don’t.
iainc - Member
Always amazes me how many people think they are entitled to police others behaviour on the road. Unless you have blue lights and a police badge you don’t.
If you take that logic, then everyone should immediately concede the space they're in to any car pulling into it, regardless of safety/conditions for anyone else and no-one should ever flash lights or sound horns to warn of dangerous manoeuvres.
iainc, the flip side to that is you can do whatever you like on the road if the police aren’t watching? Sounds a bit chaotic to me......
If only we could just all get along and play nicely
I take it you get a lot of people criticising your driving? 😆
If you drive down the motorway on the wrong side is it okay for others to comment, or is it only the nice policeman’s opinion that matters 😉
angeldust - Member
iainc, the flip side to that is you can do whatever you like on the road if the police aren’t watching? Sounds a bit chaotic to me......
Yep, bad behaviour proliferates because the perpetrators never get any signal that they're done something awry.
OP I sympathise but I sadly this is driving in modern Britain.
The only bit that ultimately matters is not putting yourself and others at risk. It's sadly a case of make room for the douche bags, metaphorically or literally count to ten (five if you're milder or slower at counting than me) and carry on. No good can come of being difficult or trying to teach them a lesson or put them in their place. As far as they are concerned the ONLY place that they should be is in front of you. You can't beat or educate this (not without some kind of blue lighted vehicle or a scheme involving an as yet undeveloped rocket and a one way ticket to Jupiter).
Today I witnessed some poor gent on a Cube road bike get close passed out of sheer bone idle laziness five times in the space of a mile. What's so bloody infuriating is that as the car in the outside lane of a two lane each way road, every single one of those times I left a big enough space in front of me to allow the perpetrators in the inside lane more than enough room to overtake in a manner that would have been safe for all. I doubt any of them were malice but unthinking incompetence of the first order. 👿 😈 😯
Do we just have to accept that some people are complete *****s and there will never be any rhyme or reason as to how they behave?
Pretty much. I had a near-identical thing happen to me earlier this week, seeded as far as I can tell by me daring to change lanes into an empty space rather than lock on when the lane I was in suddenly ground to a halt. If I was in a beater rather than a month-old car I'd have let the prick hit me.
He has every right to drive to the end of the filter lane before indicating. You chose not to.
Whilst I agree with your point in principle, 20m from the merge point is as close to the end of the filter lane as makes no odds and attempting an overtake at that point is bellendery.
Sounds like the OP is an inconsiderate and belligerent trouser. So the dude tried to 'push in', let him, it costs you literally nothing.
Always amazes me how many people think they are entitled to police others behaviour on the road. Unless you have blue lights and a police badge you don’t.
Because the best way to deal with bullies is to give into them. I have zero tolerance for this sort of stupid gittishness.