Or is it due to the narrow, time pressured curriculum which has no space for deeper investigation or thought?
That too probably, but from talking to my daughters it's mostly the culture. As for Bollywood dancing, I'm not against that per se, what I am livid about though is that the boys play football and cricket and don't have to do Bollywood dancing, and the girls aren't allowed to play football and cricket. My oldest was a very keen cricketer and footballer, and was the captain of the team in primary (she's a sporty type), but now she's not allowed and has to do bloody bollywood dancing which she despises (too girly apparently!). The end result being that she now hates PE.
My oldest was a very keen cricketer and footballer
No extra curricular clubs available?
Dazh that is ridiculous to you and I but the points I made still stand. Unfortunately in mainstream education it's the mainstream not the outliers that inevitably dictate policy.
Unfortunately in mainstream education it’s the mainstream not the outliers that inevitably dictate policy.
Its a sad day when sporty kids are considered to be outliers.
No extra curricular clubs available?
Not for girls as far as I'm aware. It's ok, outside of school I take her climbing and mountain biking, and she does lots of running on her own so she's still very sporty, it's just a shame that she can't do it in school. It also doesn't exactly help in breaking down gender stereotypes. That may be a pinko liberal viewpoint but really in this day and age is it too much to ask that girls be allowed to play football with the boys?
To a thread moaning about teachers from a bunch of people who have no idea what tgey are talking about? Not really no. I answered the op’s valid original question, other than that I’m quite happy to laugh at the ignorance and entitlement displayed!!
Good for you.
Could you explain exactly why I'm getting it in the neck then? If anyone is acting with ignorance and entitlement it's yourself, I simply suggested a reasonable approach that may be applicable in later life to the problem being discussed. And your response was what again? Disagree by all means but sniping from the sidelines just makes you look like a ****.
That may be a pinko liberal viewpoint but really in this day and age is it too much to ask that girls be allowed to play football with the boys?
FA rules are mixed teams until age 12 wherever practical. It might just be that the PE teachers are offering a limited experience, or it might be that your daughter is getting the wrong end of the stick. Worth a quick call / email to clarify.
FWIW, at Mrs Dubs school, at least 10% of the kids don't specify an activity/sport preference for their core PE at the beginning of term, so those kids get put in whatever group makes the classes fit.
Most PE teachers love their sport and want kids to be the same...
Could you explain exactly why I’m getting it in the neck then?
Because you suggested that contacting the school about an incorrect cross in a book was a worthwhile use of time after having explained why the cross was correct..I thought that was quite funny.
As is this
Disagree by all means but sniping from the sidelines just makes you look like a ****.
the girls aren’t allowed to play football and cricket. My oldest was a very keen cricketer and footballer, and was the captain of the team in primary (she’s a sporty type), but now she’s not allowed and has to do bloody bollywood dancing which she despises
I'd be very surprised if the school didnt have a girls football team in each year or didnt do football in PE. It maybe the case that they'll rotate round to other sports in time. Worth asking the school. Cricket always seems to be a tough one with girls its not an easy sport to learn from scratch. My school is always trying to get girls rugby off the ground but struggles to get enough numbers.
I’d be very surprised if the school didnt have a girls football team in each year or didnt do football in PE.
Well then you should be surprised because I'm telling you they don't*. We've asked. The response back from the school was that they don't have the resources to support girls doing the same sports as the boys, so they're stuck with rounders, netball, gymnastics, and bollywood dancing (FFS, every time I think about this it annoys me!). The only sport they do for both is athletics in the summer.
*Interesting you think you know more about my kids school than me when I've never mentioned which school it is but I'll ignore that.
Interesting you think you know more about my kids school than me when I’ve never mentioned which school it is but I’ll ignore that.
What makes you say that?
I am surprised, sounds like a shit PE department, from your post I thought it sounded like a new year 7 who had just started off with Dance lessons and who might go onto something else later.
As an aside I had a group of year 10 today all the girls and most of the boys thought any girl who rode a bike was weird....where do they get these ideas??!!!?? Last 10 mins of the lesson (on redox reactions and extracting iron from its ore) was spent watch Rachel Atherton videos on youtube!
Dazh, yes a sad indictment of society as a wholebut sporty girls are outliers. The school obviously has limited resources and so, possibly in a drive to hit an engagement target, Bollywood dancing has been seen as a way to engage more girls than cricket. Is it fair 1 suffers for the many or the many suffer for 1? In an ideal world everyone would be catered for equally but austerity.
a_a concerned about classes now. My S3 class (year10?) Has had a great chat about mountain biking helped by having a 14yo U19 Scottish DH champion in it. That lass can really ride a bike.
Sorry that should have been to Richie b but yes for girls
Squirrelking - from where I sit ( teachers in the family) AA is not the arrogant tosspot here.
Try not being an arrogant tosspot, listen to what people are telling you and you might find them more receptive to you.
Advice I know Mrs Pondo would love to give to a number of parents of her students. I know times change and all that, but when I was at school, I'd be quaking if I got a detention - no doubt many still are, but there are also a growing number whose parents will try and get them out of it. The kid done wrong and there are consequences - teachers don't cough up their time for fun, take the punishment and move on.
perhaps that YOU are the problem rather than the parents.
I dont have a problem with parents thanks.
Okay.
So can any of you explain why what I said was wrong, arrogant, entitled or whatever? Because I'm struggling to understand how giving feedback to a teacher is any of those things. I'm finding it hard to understand why anyone would think AAs response was in any way counter indicative of any of those traits as well.
You talk a good game about respect and arrogance but don't seem to be practicing what you preach. I've already asked for clarification once and got nothing in return.
You talk a good game about respect and arrogance but don’t seem to be practicing what you preach.
You are welcome to come and observe a lesson if you like. Luckily for me I can differentiate between my professional self and whilst talking to "tosspots" on a chat bored!!
So you're not going to answer the question then? Thought as much, about right for this place.
Says a lot about you that you are quite happy to speak to people like that in the safety of an anonymous chat "bored" but not in real life. At least you can admit it though.
Squirrelking
Its the way you seem to say you know better than education professionals what is happening and what is best.
You see it from a laypersons perspective and disregard the professionals views. Thats very arrogant in my book.
Amen TJ.
So can any of you explain why what I said was wrong, arrogant, entitled or whatever? Because I’m struggling to understand how giving feedback to a teacher is any of those things.
Things like this, for me -
Proper teaching isn’t just telling someone they are wrong with absolutely no context as to why, furthermore if the fact the previous example was stated as a fraction was pointed out the teacher could then correct the question so as to avoid further confusion.
I think there's truth in what you say but it shows a massive lack of understanding and is pretty arrogant. Of course, it would be great if the teacher could make notes on each answer to explain why, but maybe they didn't have time, maybe they went through the answers in class, maybe... who knows, lots of things. But one thing that seems to be becoming increasingly prevelant is the man in the street having what they think is an informed opinion on so many things - I'm not a teacher, I wouldn't presume to know better than them how to do their job any more than I would a pilot, or a barrister, a welder or whoever. To state that you can correct a teacher on their work seems pretty entitled to me (husband to a teaching wife who occasionally comes home in tears because of the crap entitled parents sling at her, who's head of the department that gets the best results in the school, who's too worried to apply for a promotion because she's concerned that it will impact said department, who regularly gets kids pulled from detention at the parents' request, totally undermining the school's ability to actually maintain any semblance of discipline. So yeah - entitled parents, not a fan).
Okay thank you. If that's how it came across then I apologise as that was never the way it was intended. As I said in the first instance there is a way to raise issues like these and it's certainly not going in all guns blazing and telling the teacher how to do their job. Or anyone for that matter.
My point, lost though that cause would seem to be, was that children should be taught to challenge where they see something wrong, how to challenge effectively and how to accept that same challenge themselves. It's not about telling anyone how to do their job or thinking you know better, it's about having the confidence to question something and not just blindly following someone with authority.
This is something that gets drilled into you when you enter industry and it is a hard slog trying to undo years of conditioning that you just do what you are told without question. If more people were used to that sort of mentality then maybe we wouldn't have as many issues in our society.
And that’s why the country is become a s£)(t hole with useless parents who did bugger all with their lives and hate schools. They then let their kids screw up their lives.
Do us a favour, keep your poor behaved kids at home and let the rest of the kids learn and do well with their lives.
Kids should not have mobiles in schools.
Schools should have more power to expel unruly kids permanently. Let the parents deal with them.
My point, lost though that cause would seem to be, was that children should be taught to challenge where they see something wrong, how to challenge effectively and how to accept that same challenge themselves. It’s not about telling anyone how to do their job or thinking you know better, it’s about having the confidence to question something and not just blindly following someone with authority.
I totally endorse that, and I think, if I'd been in that circumstance (the 1/2 vs 0.5 thing) when I was at school, I would have queried it and it would have been clarified. But as time goes on, it seems (and , of course, this is all anecdotal) that there is less and less time to actually deliver that kind of collaborative, almost heuristic approach - the pressures teachers are under seem immense; the course material itself seems to change yearly, so there are annual pressures for teachers not only to have to learn new content but also prep how to teach it to others. On top of that, the landscape seems ever-changing (that collaborative approach becomes less valued because putting that time into one child is to the detriment of the rest, and you are now seemingly judged almost solely on the difference you can make from your classes' predicted grades to what they actually achieve - but those predicted grades are based on a primary that feels similarly pressured to produce predictions as high (some may say unrealistically high) as they can get away with), with an emphasis almost on identifying which pupils you are likely to get the required grade for and focusing on that to the detriment of pupils who are less likely to get the grades they need. It's stupid (it seems to me from the outside) and not one teacher went into it to do that, but it seems that's how the industry is going. There's just no time to do anything but maximise the results you can get out of the class - the results are all that matter, there's no space for owt else.
Caveat - the ramblings of a half-cut teacher's husband, not a teacher himself.
RWB by any chance theotherjonv?
RWB?
No detention in scottish schools and It’s somthing I wouldn’t agree to for my kids either. Frankly I’m pretty surprised that a school can detain a child without gaining the permission of the parent first or letting them know.
Frankly I’m pretty surprised that a school can detain a child without gaining the permission of the parent first
as covered elsewhere, we signed up to it as part of the school-parent-student contract., for a limited period on the day. Longer periods, are 'by arrangement'
If you wouldn't agree to it for your kids, what do you support as sanction for poor behaviour?
Posh, sorry fella there are detentions in Scottish schools 24hrs notice should be given if after hours.
If you wouldn’t agree to it for your kids, what do you support as sanction for poor behaviour?
That depends on the child. Some are just plain wee shites and nothing will stop their poor behaviour. I got punsihments all the time at school and it didn't stop me from not doing my homework. A lot of it is down to the parents. Thankfully the kids of mine at school are well behavied and don't end up punished. But also the schools they go to don't punish you for forgetting your gym kit either.
To state that you can correct a teacher on their work seems pretty entitled to me
No, I'm with Squirrelking on this I think.
The kid was penalised for using incorrect notation when the same incorrect notation was used on the previous question. That's blatantly unfair. I see no harm in feeding this back to the school - it gives them the opportunity to correct the paper before using it again with other classes. That's a world apart from going Full Gammon at the school and telling them how to do their jobs. Teaching kids to challenge injustice in a diplomatic manner seems like a noble thing to do, n'est-ce pas?
To my mind, the correct and just thing to do in this instance would have been for the teacher to credit the kid with the mark but explain why it was technically wrong for future reference and warn that it'd be marked as incorrect next time.
As to the OP's question,
I have no issues with detention as a punishment. After-school detention with no prior warning however seems like an outrageous concept to me. There could be all manner of prior commitments outside of school either for the kid or the parents.