This already exists does it not?? The defining line being everywhere inside the M60 😀
It's a difficult one because it's as people say, either a thinly veiled excuse for shipping the poor out of the larger cities, or it is genuinely aimed only at those who consistently cause a nuisance and make everyone elses lives a living hell. The dutch far right guy makes me cringe though, creepy as hell.
If it's the latter then I guess It's a good thing. Some people stuck in housing estates WANT to better themselves, want a better job, want to contribute to society, want their own home, but have to jump through rings to fight for that whilst having to put up with the lowest class of human muck imaginable - people intent on ripping off the government with benefits for their 8 children and their "disability" whilst selling drugs on the street corner and being a genuine pain in the arse to everyone else just trying to get on with life in the decent way.
Which takes me back to Rhyl, is/was that place still being used as a dumping ground for Heroin addicts?
But what if the Dutch Prime Ministers plane gets hijacked and crashes in the village eh?
What are they going to do to rescue him?
this is the beginning of the end.
In my village there are a group of about 5 or 6 18/19 year olds who pretty much cause everyone grief. Drinking, pot smoking out on the streets into the early hours, bricks through windows, graffiti on people's property, vandalising cars. The usual stuff. Generally unpleasant kids.
They'd fit the bill for this sort of scheme but luckily for them they are very middle class, mummy and daddy are very wealthy and they have a villa in France ya so it's not really antisocial behaviour, it's just kids being jolly and what what.
I never understood that, y'know. We've got a large, sunny island over there and a small, damp one over here. We want rid of our undesireables, so we stay here and ship them off. *facepalm*
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There are a lot of truly horrible and prejudiced people posting in this thread.
Love the way the hand wringers have conveniently ignored the part about 24 hour police and social worker intervention....seems like the Dutch are trying to assist the people they move rather than just ship them off somewhere.
This forum is a joke, it seems to be a shop front for oh so PC credentials, I guarantee most on here would have a different opinion if they lived next door to idiots who had people coming and going at all hours and playing music into the early hours every day of the week....it's no fun and the whole street suffers despite warnings from the police/council etc....moving them instead of rewarding bad behaviour is the right thing to do.
Bizarre that we seem to know that rewarding bad behaviour is wrong when raising children but then slip into this cycle when dealing with adults?!
Sounds like a very interesting plan.
Name could do with a bit of work though.
years ago they used to send 'undesirables'to other parts of the world, Australia took very many i believeCreate social problems, then blame the poor for them, nice......
In defence of that policy, it worked out rather well didn't it? Oz is no longer a sink estate and people want to move there.
Have you been to Ordsall? The place where that young Indian tourist was recently shot in the face 'for a laugh'?
.... Would you walk through there after dark?
Yes, I did do regularly for 5 years on my way home at gone midnight from town.
Never saw any bother..maybe the odd smashed car window but that was it (and you get that anywhere some numpty leaves something on display).
dooosuk - strolling down Regents Road? Or actually walking through Ordsall estate?
thisisnotaspoon - Are you suggesting that in 20 years Ordsall could have thriving tourist industry? 😆
I can't see a problem with it as long as it is the asbo undesirables who are sent to live in Scum Town.
They should also periodically board up everyone's doors and windows and torch the place.
It seems to me that this plan, whilst it is drastic, is only a pragmatic acknowledgement of the fact that poor people are in practice ghettoised, and that the real victims of anti social & criminal behaviour are other poor people.
In practice, in most cities and towns, there are places where they ship off all the problem people - places like Elephant & Castle/Peckham in London, St Anns in Nottingham. In Paris they have massive sink estates all round the Banlieue area where all the poor people are made to live. I presume there are similar areas in Amsterdam.
So if you start with the depressing assumption that this geographical ghettoisation is going to happen whatever, it seems in some ways quite progressive to try and focus on protecting those poor people from the effects of crime and anti social behaviour and letting people try and live worthwhile lives, and intensively supporting those responsible for the bad behaviour to get their act together and give a damn about everyone else. Presumably the fact they only seem to be planning small numbers of these implies they are hoping people will only stay there temporarily, hence they are expecting people to reform to some extent.
binners - down Ordsall Lane towards Exchange Quay, right past the shooting. I'm not saying it's a nice area, but there are other areas in Manchester I'd be more worried about walking around.
moving them instead of rewarding bad behaviour is the right thing to do.
nearly but not quite..
Democratic community lynch mob is absolutely the right thing to do..
I've been an annoying neighbour and I've lived next to annoying neighbours..
I've lived in good areas and bad areas and been a victim of violent crime on more than a couple of occasions
Nothing sorts the problem out quicker than community spirit
Disclaimer - this may not work in areas where there are a lot of very antisocial problem families
There are a lot of truly horrible and prejudiced people posting in this thread.
If there is, perhaps it's because many have been affected by anti social behavior and develop strong views on it.
I have, and it's only my fleetness of foot that's enabled me escape two muggings the first to be enforced with a broken bottle and the second a knife. And a former house mate who took a kicking because someone wanted his pizza has strong views too.
All that said, it is a deeply unsettling thing. It's like creating an open prison for people you cant put in a full on prison. Sweep them under the carpet and pretend there not there. But as already has been said, these things pretty much exist already.
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are they really making Hamsterdam near Amsterdam?
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These things aren't new - they used to be called ghettos. See also concentration camp.
I would stick em all on a island .....then nuke it. 😈
That is not a valid excuse.
What's the radiation levels like on the isle of Wight since last weeks nuking of it?
That is not a valid excuse.
Trying to understand how someone has come to a position is not giving an excuse.
If there is, perhaps it's because many have been affected by anti social behavior and develop strong views on it.I have, and it's only my fleetness of foot that's enabled me escape two muggings the first to be enforced with a broken bottle and the second a knife. And a former house mate who took a kicking because someone wanted his pizza has strong views too.
You realise they are crimes not just socially unacceptable behaviour? We already have prisons for those who commit such acts, and that doesn't seem to be working either, who really thinks that "prison lite" would help, and that the supposed social help and 24 monitoring by police officers would really happen or even be budgeted for.
They won't be put there to get the help and treatment, they will be put there to be kept out of the way to become more feral and dangerous, become more ostracised and resentful of the rest of society, to become an even lower layer of life everyone can turn their noses up at and blame for all our problems.
Probably worth mentioning I don't think this things a good idea
Just trying to develop a greater understand of it
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I thought Dave said, if there were more hugs going around, this whole frightful thing would be sorted by now, without the need for ghetto's or ethnic cleansing?
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Given the success of faith schools, the government should encourage religions to set up faith villages.
Give religions the right to build new towns on green belt land on the proviso that they take in those who have troubled souls and that the authorities dump on them.
All they need is a bit of love an morality to change.
send all the scum children to eton ?
see that picture you posted up there then binners..?
D'you reckon that having such a bunch of toffee nosed pillocks in charge is part of the problem then..?
Would our youth have such a problem with authority if the authority figures at the highest level were a bit more representative of the general populace..?
Instead of being bred on milk and honey and wearing suits, and never having to fight for anything in their entire lives, sitting around at dinner parties and braying heartily.. what if our 'leaders' wore jeans, had weatherbeaten faces and a few worry lines and smoked fags and that..?
Given the success of faith schools, the government should encourage religions to set up faith villages.
Give religions the right to build new towns on green belt land on the proviso that they take in those who have troubled souls and that the authorities dump on them.
All they need is a bit of love an morality to change.
Most obvious troll ever, you shouldn't have let it all out in one go.
You realise they are crimes not just socially unacceptable behaviour?
Yes I do. Problem is that the law wasn't enforced by the Police.
The incidents where reported.
what do we think are the root causes of anti-social behaviour and benefit dependency?
I see a certain merit in socially penalising people for unacceptable behaviour but I'm not sure that a portakabin, heavy police presence and a bunch of social workers are really going to address the underlying issues.
I like how the hoody appears to be fiddling with his wanger whilst doing the gun thing at David
Maybe he's just repressed about something
Yes I do. Problem is that the law wasn't enforced by the Police.
Well that's actually a different problem, and not one that wasting money on "scum villages" is going to resolve.
The Dutch Parool newspaper observed that the policy was not a new one. In the 19th century, troublemakers were moved to special villages in Drenthe and Overijssel outside Amsterdam. The villages were rarely successful, becoming sink estates for the lawless.
So, it failed before and they want to try it again.....
Didn't say it would MSP. But clearly some people do (Dutch geezer for instance)
But it is part of the issue, if people want rid of a group of people it's important to understand why is it not?
what do we think are the root causes of anti-social behaviour and benefit dependency?
Well part of the problem is associating anti-social behaviour with being on benefits. Although its harder for a family dependant on benefits to buy their way out of responsibility the way that a bullingdon club member can.
Didn't say it would MSP. But clearly some people do (Dutch geezer for instance)
Again the proposal isn't for crime, its for anti-social behaviour.
In a nearby village is a small council estate,with flats,where people and families from further afield are housed due to them causing problems in their original area.They continue to cause problems and are eventually moved on again.
For the long term residents of the estate this has caused a deterioration of the area,leaving some houses virtually worthless.
The benefit for the police and authorities is that they know exactly where to go when a crime takes place in the area.
People emphasise education.The children from these families go to exactly the same school as other children in the area so opportunities are the same.The difference is that the parents don't care.
Separating children from "bad parents" may be more suitable than shipping off whole families.
D'you reckon that having such a bunch of toffee nosed pillocks in charge is part of the problem then..?
Would our youth have such a problem with authority if the authority figures at the highest level were a bit more representative of the general populace..?
yunki - The thing is, its not just the so called 'underclass' though is it? Dave and his chinless chums just aren't representative of anyone who doesn't own at least three houses and a bank account with an awful lot of naughts at the end of it.
Compared to their vast inherited wealth, being on benefits, or earning £150,000 a year, we're all still just peasants to them!
So... effectively we could all employ that strategy to justify our actions.
Would our youth have such a problem with authority if the authority figures at the highest level were a bit more representative of the general populace
By 'representative', do you mean more politicians should be wandering about with their hands down their crotch making gun gestures at authority figures? 😀
As for the exaple of 'youth' in the above-posted picture, I don't think they've a problem with "posh" authority, just a problem with authority in general.
So... effectively we could all employ that strategy to justify our actions.
perhaps the underclass are just a bit too proud to bend over and take it though..?
jaov8x - I dunno mate, I was thinking a bit more of the psychology behind it.. I was one of them youfs once..
I don't have the answers, I just hated everyone who wasn't 'one of us'
