And an independent Scotland wouldn't be measured as being in recession ? We don't exactly have what would be described as a booming economy (I just checked with my economists before i typed that bit given my Spain faux pas above !)
I'm utterly on the fence frankly, I can see both sides and am not happy with the UK direction but that in itself does not comfort me that independence would be less bad. There's so little concrete detail of fact, all we have is emotive drive to do it. Which is nice, but I'd like to know what the terms of this deal would be.
So what's the tories excuse this time? There's been no recession for the entire time they've been in power recently.
The 2007/09 dip was exactly that, just a dip, it wasn't the tories that sorted that, that was a global issue. And time cameron had came along Brown had done all the donkey work there.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281734/gdp-growth-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
Plus how do you factor in the the early 80s recession and the early 90s recession. Tories had been in power for 1 year and 11 years respectively there.
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I was also no before but now I’m sitting on the fence. The main thing holding me back from being fully pro-independent is the likelihood of a future Labour administration. Every UK Labour Government since WW2 has put the country in recession as they are inept with the country’s finances"
Seen this?
“rightwing, kamikaze unionist faction” is my phrase of the day:
Scottish Labour don't like policy being handed down from London.
I guess they don't do irony either.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic scotroutes
I had hopes for Leonard as scottish leader but he is still making exactly the same mistakes as the last 3 labour leaders in Scotland. He has forgotten the SNP are not the enemy - the tories are.
today just gets better & better for Sturgeon
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4656461/ruth-davidson-quit-scottish-tory-leader-boris-johnson/
We don’t exactly have what would be described as a booming economy
better than rUK and restricted by Westminster.
The SNP are really trying to dampen expectations.
The problem with having an exit poll saying 55 seats is that if they end up with less than 45 now it's going to seem like a loss.
So TJ,
Fancy me as a neighbour?
🙂
I think we'll get on in real life.
*searches for jobs in Scotland*
not really seeing that at all, just waiting on results coming in, bit silly to start celebrating before that happens.
predicting Rutherglen and Hamilton west to go from labour to SNP. It was first out last time, about 1.15ish.
The SNP are really trying to dampen expectations.
The problem with having an exit poll saying 55 seats is that if they end up with less than 45 now it’s going to seem like a loss.
TBF, no one wants more than 49 .
Where's nice to live in Scotland? ;-0
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No talking about England. Got it!
Where’s nice to live in Scotland?
Nowhere. It's all shit. It rains all the time and there are man-eating midges.
Not sure where I'd like to live in Scotland tbh. Glasgow's busy and messy, Edinburgh's nice but the biking's rubbish, and everywhere else is too far from an airport for me to travel for work, I think. Maybe Stirling but the local biking doesn't look great.
I think this could be the last election where we see a Scottish leader of a major (ie, UK wide) party.
There is simply no seat in Scotland safe enough for an MP to campaign from. I'm not sure what happens if a party gets the majority of seats but its party leader loses their seat.
Do we have laws in the UK like they do in Spain for unauthorised referendums? 😉
5000 majority for the SNP in Rutherglen and Hamilton West.
Scotland to extend border to Lancaster. England can have the rest.
molgrips
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Not sure where I’d like to live in Scotland tbh. Glasgow’s busy and messy, Edinburgh’s nice but the biking’s rubbish, and everywhere else is too far from an airport for me to travel for work, I think. Maybe Stirling but the local biking doesn’t look great.
That’s a lot of bollocks for one relatively short post
🤫 let him think that.
He can stay and suffer in Boris racist brexit land
Glasgow points weren't far off the mark to be fair.
Rest couldn't be more wrong.
What many people don't realise is the SNP should have won every seat in Scotland.
But there was a dire threat from the former Scots Tory leader Ruth Davidson that horrors would befall us if we gained 50 or more seats.
So we cowardly settled for 48.
(I won't post the pic - it's too horrible 🙂 )
What have you been smoking Molly? 🙈😂
For anyone thinking about moving to Scotland. I came up from England in 2010 and never want to leave.
I was in Sheffield before and the Highlands crap all over the Peak in just about every respect. I miss the Gritstone edges being close to hand, but that’s it.
MrsIHN and I had a (very) brief "let's move to Scotland" conversation last night. Thing is, if working out a separation agreement with the EU was tricky after 40 years of entanglement, WTF is it going to be like doing similar for Scotland, given it's nearer 400...
For anyone thinking about moving to Scotland. I came up from England in 2010 and never want to leave.
I was in Sheffield before and the Highlands crap all over the Peak in just about every respect. I miss the Gritstone edges being close to hand, but that’s it.
This is me. Work is south of england but fortunately comes with a house so we are buying our highland house in the next few months and should be calling it 'home' by easter. So I have no useful contribution to make! We've given ourselves 18 months absolute max to get new jobs (and new careers) and move up full time. So if the rest of you could **** off and stay south of the boarder until we've sorted a couple of jobs I'd be much obliged.
Re indyref, if I'd had a vote last time around I think I'd have voted no. Now, it would be yes.
So I have no useful contribution to make!
I typed......'So I have no useful contribution to make' - is this some mod meddling?
ahhhh - you can't type 'i n before the lock' - I guess because it is/was a standard phrase on threads about to be closed.
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The vote share in Scotland is interesting, the big question is what do labour do now, they are going to have to have a serious debate between themselves on how they move forward.
A move away from the uk party seems obvious, and they are going to seriously have to consider their position the constitutional question.
Independence is still a battle that has to be won, last night settled nothing. More of the same looking at the vote share tbh, but a change from labour though could change everything.
Where they fall on these points going forward though is up for debate I guess and far from certain.
75% voted for pro-EU parties (I think we can tentatively call Labour pro-EU given they wanted a 2nd referendum). I believe that's the strongest pro-EU vote so far.
Just listening to the Radio Scotland phone in. They seem to be struggling to find any Unionists.
Ian Murray was scathing regarding Corbyn and the party leadership during his winners speech this morning. While he seems to recognise that Labour have the wrong position on many things, I still doubt he'll ever accept that Labour in iScotland could be a force.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Tories spin their message all through the election in Scotland. ie, 'Stop Indyref2'. Clearly the voters don't want to stop indyref2.
My guess is they will just repeatedly say, 'We never said anything about indyref2 during the campaign.'
Kettles on lads. If you leave the house now you can be over the border in time for dinner.
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TBF they need only point out that the SNP (a) completely played down independence, during the campaign and (b) asked for folk to "lend them their votes" against Brexit.
Give SNP the referendum I say.
Then see the surprise faces later on.
Surely the chance of a 2nd independence referendum just reduced significantly. I cannot see BJ agreeing to one and the SNP have no hold over the Conservative Party to force one.
Should there be a 2nd ref (or is it 3rd?)it is still unclear what the outcome would be. The last referendum was extremely divisive and unpleasant, there are a lot of people who do not want to go through all that again so soon.
Give SNP the referendum I say.
Then see the surprise faces later on.
Scotland’s best chance of voting for independence (gut feeling), would probably be to give the whole of the UK a vote.
I would hold off rushing up here just yet.
I believe this new Tory majority are going to give the SNP and Scotland a proper kicking(financially and policy wise) over the next few years,put these wee upstarts in their place.
How bloody dare they challenge the master race. Frikin dark times ahead.
I would hold off rushing up here just yet.
Very much this.
Corbyn has royally humped Scotland.
Dominic is a vengeful God.
fasthaggis
Member
I would hold off rushing up here just yet.
I believe this new Tory majority are going to give the SNP and Scotland a proper kicking(financially and policy wise) over the next few years,put these wee upstarts in their place.
How bloody dare they challenge the master race. Frikin dark times ahead.
Everyone is going to get a kicking.
The English are about to get a lesson they'll not forget in a hurry as well I'd suggest.
The Tories, unhinged, for 5 years... it's gonny be fun...
Where's this idea that the Scotches need to ask permission to leave the UK?
CorbynLabour has royally humped Scotland
Aye Perchy, it's a desperate state of affairs.
Friday the 13th living up to all its expectations
yourguitarhero
Member
Where’s this idea that the Scotches need to ask permission to leave the UK?
It's kinda the law, despite SNP rhetoric. And it's not like they are going to become militant separatists. So the lawful route it is.. Legally they've basically no chance of forcing it. Politically though, they might, it's really over to the SNP now, let's see if they have any teeth.
